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World How to make the spiderman web shooters.

When it comes to choosing a web shooter design i think it would be a little easier to use the cartoon TAS spiderman series design. The web shooter design is simple and pretty much self explanatory. In our view we should use the carbon composite black tubes as cartridges. I think pressurizing the cartridges should be no problem at all seeing that the material of the web fluid cartridge is stronger than steel so getting to that pressure of 300psi and maybe more shouldn't really be a problem at all. The web shooter from the series has only one loaded web fluid cartridge in each shooter and although each cartridges hold a tremendous amount of webbing (to me it seems more than the square shape cartridges) there is only one loaded in each shooter and this could be a flaw for us but i think with a little ingenuity we can install the carousel like feature on each shooters in order to rotate from cartridge to cartridge when one runs dry. Also unlike the SSM series the actual rotation process won't be seen only felt. In the picture you see the center cartridge locked in place and there's a small trap door which locks the cartridge to keep it from falling out. Well all the rotation goes on inside the shooter like a built in wheel. Everything on the outside stays the same. I think we should use this design due to the simpleness of the tube like cartridge, carbon composite material and also the design in general. I wonder if it's possible for the actual design or maybe color scheme be changed just a tide bit. Also i still feel that even if it is tight around the wrist and don't move. it's still gonna bulge slightly. Unless there is away to keep these "hidden" if not then i would highly recommend wearing these on the outside of the suit or costume or whatever. Easy access and still look cool with a spidey suit. it... hmmm... it blends in with the suit and style of spidey so this is my suggestion. The only reason why i suggest the round tubes of carbon composite because they are cheap and you can easily have hundreds of them at your disposal. With a little tweaks here in there.

Then again now that i've thought about it, regardless it's gonna bulge a little so i still think you can wear these on the inside of a costume or gloves, only thing that would really be noticeable is the nozzle and maybe a outline of the shooter. Nothing obvious.
 
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I like it. For me, the best shooter is the most simplistic. A bracelet with a metal tube attached to it is easy to build. Take a valve with a modified pipette that pokes into the cartridges. Have a lever that opens and closes the valve easily. Then add some component that allows the cartridge to be locked in and voala! Also, I will be using a modified steel tube with a built in check valve that can be opened by popping the cartridge into the shooter.
 
I like it. For me, the best shooter is the most simplistic. A bracelet with a metal tube attached to it is easy to build. Take a valve with a modified pipette that pokes into the cartridges. Have a lever that opens and closes the valve easily. Then add some component that allows the cartridge to be locked in and voala! Also, I will be using a modified steel tube with a built in check valve that can be opened by popping the cartridge into the shooter.

Awesome!! Well I'm glad you like the idea because i've always love the 90's series web shooters!! They made more sense to me. I see what you mean though.
 
I always thought that the one at the bottom of page 8 with the crackers and milk was the most realistic. The reason is the same reason why you shun most types of shooters. While most of the shooters are on the wrist and are super bulky in an area that is notoriously skinny, the one on the forearm causes a buldge in an area that is known for muscle tone. The segments in the forearm web shooter can look like muscles under the costume, and the tube looks like a tendon. It's bulky but spiderman's naturally fit form hides it by faking muscle. Here is proof:

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The black is the natural muscle and the white is the shooters.

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Doesn't that look familiar?
 
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So are you suggesting that we go with these webshooter settings? I personally think it would work better than the wrist ones, as there is more space. But I am also fine with the wrist mounted ones as well. And I am going with 3 oz flasks, as I discovered they were too long and wide for a wrist. But also, the other version (higher on forearm) would interfere with my nozzle/spinnerette theory.
 
Yeah, I noticed that when I bought like seven of them too. For the flasks, the forearm is the most realistic. For the convenience of replacable cartridges, I recommend the wrist design. Not only can it hold much more fluid, but it does make sense when it comes to the skin tight costume because of the forearm muscle looking pressure vessels. Though another realistic approach is in the 70's show version of Spidey.

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Ok. I think I'll just stick with the wrist shooters, as I have already invested alot of time and effort into THAT design. Are you going the forearm route, sticking with the wrist, or a little bit of both?

On another note:

Did you here about the spiderman reboot plot that leaked? It's on google.
Also, did you here about the new game coming this fall?
 
So are you gonna go with the crackers and milk design or the tube design? Which design are you referring to when you say conveint of changing cartridges?
 
I have always been curious though: Why does the 70s spiderman only have 1 shooter? It seems odd givin the shooters' history of always being a pair, not just 1. But the show didnt follow the comics too well, either.
 
Ok. I think I'll just stick with the wrist shooters, as I have already invested alot of time and effort into THAT design. Are you going the forearm route, sticking with the wrist, or a little bit of both?

On another note:

Did you here about the spiderman reboot plot that leaked? It's on google.
Also, did you here about the new game coming this fall?

i havent heard of the plot leak but the new game, Spider-man the edge oftime looks cool as far as the photo.
 
OOooooohhh? Do tell!

Well, if you type in " Spiderman reboot plot" on google, you get a ton of results with a summed up version of the movie screenplay.

Also, the game is called "Spiderman: The Edge Of Time", and it correlates the Amazing Dimension as well as 2099, as they try to correct the timestreem and prevent the death of Peter Parker.
 
I am personally going to try both methods, though I am more partial to the wrist. Interchangeable cartridges are very good for a situation where you NEED the fluid, but recreationally, I think we're fine. Wrist allows the cartridges. If you've ever seen the cartoons, he always peels back the glove. If he had the forearm shooters and had replaceable cartridges, his gloves would have to be like leg warmers for his arms.

The reason he wore one shooter is because he mostly fought with his fists and the shooter is very bulky. He didn't actually use his fluid for most of the show. It was mostly for one building to the next (just one swing) and securing foes that have already been defeated. Being so bulky, it wouldn't look right.

So what is the plot leak and the video game?
 
Hey everyone, I posted on this thread ages ago, white_widow might remember with a few scribbling and such. Had a lot on my plate, but back now.

I would love to help out if you guys want me to. Can someone catch me up on what's happened since October? haha....I've read through the thread, but there are conflicting posts with different breakthroughs/theories so can anyone give me the gist of what''s going on?

I'm at college and majoring in Biochemical Engineering with applied Physics so don't leave out the technical/scientific details.....I can handle it ;)
 
Welcome back! This is basically what the new theory(s) are:

1.) containment unit- Alright guys, to some this has been known as the hardest part. Cartridges are the pressurized containers that hold the fluid. So far we have steel flasks, modified CO2 cartridges, modified Steel nipples, plastic boxes, aluminum tubes, and anything else that won't break if you increase the internal pressure to over 300 psi, though most of the listed cartridges won't hold the amount we want. This is where welding will come in handy, not to mention various kinds of metal intended epoxies.


2.) Tubing with containment opening additions- This should be easy. Depending on your fluid, change this to be a different material. If your formula has PVC, don't use Acetone in your formula. The best is braided Polyethelene, but I don't actually know what to choose because I haven't been to home depot in a while. Be aware that whatever you choose, if it is flexible, will the pressure try to straighten a bent tube?


3.)The valve- This should be relatively easy. Pick a valve that can be activate with a flick of the wrist or a push of a switch. Two things to remember is to check the pressure rating and to not go complicated. Solenoids have been brought up alot, but do you really want to add circuitry to a system of mechanics? If you do, be my guest, but something with a lot of pressure won't be held by a tiny solenoid. These can be metal or plastic. Some types include twisting valves, button valves, solenoid valves, spring valves, etc.


4.) spinnerette- This is the piece of resistance for the web shooter. It must shape the fluid before it dries, dry spin it, and let it out without the possiblities of getting jammed. This is just an optional part, as a valve with a nozzle will still let the fluid come out in a string, but this will maximize the fluids efficiency. I have ideas but this is mostly a changing feature that changes due to the user and their preferences and what they want the shooters for.


5.) cuff- Not much to say for this. Is it made out of rubber, metal, fiberglass, plastic, etc. Find a way to make it fit your arm and stay decently tight.

Now these are the basics but there have been shooters with modifications to fire impact webbing balls (paintballs with military sticky foam core), stingers (poisonous darts), and tracers (little trackable chips. There is an app for that). The are are some tips. Make sure that each part fits perfectly with it's attached part. It's a problem if the valve does not connect to the cuff or tubing.


And:

The updated formula will include cellulose acetate, although we need some help finding it for cheap.

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That is basically the main portion of what you missed that is important. Everything else is on this page. Hope you find something!
 
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Hey! I've wondered where you've run off to. How've you been?

Well here is a summary.

We've posted various theories and observations on various formulas. We've discussed three different formulas and the nylon theory.

-The first was the CA (cyanoacrylate) theory but CA is super expensive and will catch most clothes on fire. Also it's cohesive abilities take a while to form.

-Next we dabbled in solvents and tried instant contact cement with acetone and polystyrene. It had alot of interesting properties but wasn't strong enough.

-Finally we talked about a final formula. We settled on the a formula that should fit the perfect property list. It is created with a crosslink between ---- ---and --------- acetate with -----. Finally the formula uses a special polyurethane that cross links oxygen. Now we are talking about the shooters.
 
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Alright guys, I just went to UNCC school of Engineering and I asked a man what the best material was to make the cartridge. He told me that there were two things to keep in mind. First was to keep in mind tensile strength and the second was flexibility. He said that we must use a carbon steel however, not a hard carbon steel. If we used a near impossible to break steel, it will also be brittle. The harder it is, the more likely the failure from bursting. That's just something to keep in mind.

Also, while we may all be thinking of solenoids, double tap triggers, carosel features, square cartridges, multiple nozzles, and other things, can we actually make those for cheap? Also, if they have already been thought of, why don't we have it? The best thing to do is come up with new ideas that accomplish the same things. Just food for thought.
 
From:JMA610 The updated formula will include --------- acetate, although we need some help finding the right one.:cmad:

Hmmm? There is really only one kind. I found some. No need for frowning faces of the steaming red variety. It will need a little verifying but I'm pretty sure it won't be hard to get some. ^^ Oh, and good summary so far.
 
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I think I'm going to try to build the prototype within the week. It will most likely fail, but if I can at least get the basic shooter, then I'll have something to work with by the time I can get more hours at my job. I have a co2 puncture kit, a flask, a valve, and my old formula hanging around. I think all I need is some tubing to complete the basic design. I'll let you guys know how that turns out if it works.
 
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Jeez! I just figured out how Peter can use so little fluid. He didn't use expansive fluid, the fluid was just so strong, it only took a two to three millimeters in diameter of fluid to support his weight (The tensile strength of his webbing is 120 pounds per millimeters per cross section) . Not only that, but considering his adhesive skin allowing him to bond to anything, he could hold on to even a thread while most people would slip. Also, I found this description on a web site about more gecko glove info:



Spider-Man's web-shooters were twin devices worn on his wrists which could shoot thin strands of a special "web fluid" at high pressure (note: The fluid itself is pressurized at 300 psi, but the actual number has been known to change). The web fluid was a shear-thinning liquid (virtually solid until a shearing force was applied to it, rendering it fluid) whose exact formula was unknown, but was related to nylon. On contact with air, the long-chain polymer knited and formed an extremely tough, flexible fiber with extraordinary adhesive properties. The web fluid's adhesive quality diminished rapidly with exposure to air. (Where it did not make contact with air, such as attachment disk of the web-shooter, it remained very adhesive). After about 1 hour, certain imbibed esters caused the solid form of the web fluid to dissolve into a powder. Because the fluid almost instantly sublimated its anaerobic liquid/solid phase transition point, there was no clogging of the web-shooter's parts.
The spinneret mechanism in the web-shooter was machined from stainless steel, except for the turbine component which was machined out of a block of Teflon, and the two turbine bearings which are made of amber and artificial sapphire. The wristlets and web fluid cartridges were mainly nickel-plated annealed brass. The wristlets had sharp steel nipples which pierced the bronze caps when the cartridges were tightly wedged into their positions. The hand-wound solenoid needle valve was actuated by a palm switch that was protected by a band of spring steel which required a 65 pound pressure to trigger. The switch was situated high on the palm to avoid most unwanted firings. The small battery compartment was protected by a rubber seal. The effect of the very small turbine pump vanes was to compress (shear) the web fluid and then force it, under pressure, through the spinneret holes which cold-drew it (stretches it: the process wherein nylon gains a four-fold increase in tensile strength), then extrudes it through the air where it solidified. As the web fluid exited the spinneret holes, it was attracted to itself electrostatically and thus could form complex shapes. The spinneret holes had three sets of adjustable, staggered openings around the turbine which permitted a single web line, a more complex, spun web line, and a thick stream. The web line's tensile strength was estimated to be 120 pounds per square millimeter of cross section. The 300 p.s.i. pressure in each cartridge was sufficient to force a stream of the complex web pattern an estimated 60 feet (significantly farther if shot in a ballistic parabolic arc).
Basic - materials you need
Distinguishing Features
Twin hinged wrist bracelets, double-tap pressure activated trigger, external cartridges, three options for nozzle opening, low fluid level warning indicator.
Webshooters:

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Spinneret nozzle mechanics:
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Step by Step build tutorial
Without his trusty web-shooters, Spider-Man would be nothing but an incredibly strong, sharp-witted guy in tights. Not bad, but not the friendly neighborhood wall-crawler we know and love. A webless Spider-Man would be reduced to handcuffing ne’er-do-wells. He’d have to pause and set up a tripod to capture snaps for the Daily Bugle. Worse yet, if trouble broke out on the other side of the city, he’d be forced to hail a cab or catch the subway. A crime fighter at the mercy of crosstown traffic? A sorry sight indeed. The web sets Spider-Man apart, giving him the freedom to quickly and gracefully navigate New York and allowing him to stop runaway subway cars and catch free-falling innocents-and best of all, it’s the web that makes him a stand-out in the superhero crowd. Constructing this important accessory is the first step in becoming as effective and distinctive as the worldwide web-slinger himself.

Step 1: Engineer a highly adhesive, shear-thinning, air-hardening/dissolving, nontoxic, fire-resistant polymer with three times the tensile strength of steel.
Anyone who passed high school chemistry should have little or no trouble with this step. Just make sure your concoction lives up to the following performance specs:

• It’s extremely strong: When you’re using it to swing dozens of stories above the street, keep a school bus from teetering over a cliff, or hold an archvillain at bay, you want your web to be nothing short of indestructible. Pound for pound, Spider-Man’s sticky strands have three times the tensile strength of galvanized steel. That means an 1/8 inch (3.2 mm) of web will hold up to 6,000 pounds 2,722 kg)!

• It’s a shear-thinning liquid: Shear thinning or shear thickening refer to the effects of a shearing force (say, being forced through a nozzle at high speed) on a fluid’s viscosity. Spidey’s fluid is shear thinning-stored in a near-solid state inside his web cartridges until it passes through the shooters’ nozzles.

• It hardens, then dissolves upon contact with air: Being a superhero isn’t always about roundhouse kicks and daring escapes; sometimes it’s just about being a good neighbor. The always-conscientious Peter designed his webs to turn into powder 60 minutes after coming into contact with air. Otherwise, given all the web-slinging Spider-Man does, Manhattan would start looking like the world’s biggest haunted house.

• It’s nontoxic: It wouldn’t do much good to save Mary Jane from plummeting to her death only to have her die of poisoning an hour later. Same goes for any criminals you might ensnare (you’re a crime fighter, not a murderer). And since your web turns to powder, there’s also a risk of polluting the city’s air and water.

• It’s fire resistant: Spidey’s been known to whip up a web shield when battling fire-wielding foes, and with good reason: A typical web can withstand temperatures in excess of 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit (538°C). And if he has enough warning, he can switch to a special web fluid that handles up to ten times that temperature.

• It’s highly adhesive: Your web is only as good as the strength of its bond.

Spider-Man’s web may be tougher than steel, but that wouldn’t count for much without its ability to form an instant, virtually unbreakable bond with almost any surface.

Piece of cake, right?

Step 2: Store the polymer in tiny cartridges and add a propellant.
Once you’ve perfected a web fluid formula, you’ll need a vessel to carry it in. Peter uses refillable metal cartridges, each about the size of a small cell phone battery. A single cartridge typically yields about 1,000 yards (914 m) of webbing, depending on the thickness of the stream (see Step 4). This kind of efficiency is possible because the fluid is stored in a near-solid state under tremendous pressure with a propellant. Propellants are usually the vapor of a nonflammable liquid that has a boiling point below room temperature. In aerosol cans, the most common are hydrocarbons (which have the drawback of being flammable) and nitrous oxide or “laughing gas” (which isn’t flammable, but may render you incapable of performing your spider-duties).

Step 3: Construct spinneret nozzles.
Spider-Man’s web shooters don’t fire one solid “string” of material. In fact, a close-up of his webbing would reveal smaller strands that have been joined together like rope. The advantage is obvious-it’s much, much stronger-but getting it that way requires some ingenuity. Peter found his answer in a spinneret nozzle. A “spinneret” (named for the spider organ that excretes silk) is similar to a shower head or pasta press in that it has a collection of holes through which a substance is compressed, creating thin strands of material or streams of liquid. When the web fluid is forced through the spinnerets, what had been a near solid is sheared into multiple streams. And since this is a shear-thinning liquid, the act of compressing it through the spinneret returns the web substance to its fluid state. But it doesn’t stay that way for long: The instant the web fluid exits the nozzle and hits the air, it begins to expand and harden. And by the time it’s a few feet from Spider-Man’s wrist, it’s a solid (albeit a very sticky, stretchy one).

Step 4: Make the nozzles adjustable so the webbing’s consistency can be altered.
The right tool for the right job. Spider-Man’s web shooters have nozzles of varying shapes and thicknesses, allowing him to change the type of web he dispenses. For getting around the city, he uses a relatively thin strand to conserve fluid. However, if he’s trying to keep a chunk of skyscraper from crashing onto innocent bystanders, he can instantly increase the web’s thickness. When the situation calls for something a bit more delicate (say, mounting a camera or balling up street clothes), the webbing can be sprayed as a fine mist. At the other end of the spectrum, when Spidey really wants someone or something to stay put, he can dispense the web fluid as an ultra sticky paste.

Step 5: Build wrist-mounted housings for the nozzles.
The housings (or “wristlets”) need to be durable without being heavy, tight without being constrictive, and small enough to stay concealed beneath your costume- but not so small that they run the risk of buckling under pressure (Spider-Man’s are slightly wider than a sweatband). Start by taking plaster casts of each wrist and using them to make molds. Next, pour molten metal into the molds (for best results, use a metal with a high strength to weight ratio, such as a titanium alloy). Once the metal has cooled, grind down any rough edges and weld the spinneret nozzles to the underside of the housing. For added comfort and slip-proofing, you may also want to consider lining the insides of each wristlet with rubber cushioning.

Step 6: Add a trigger mechanism.
Like the gunslingers of the Old West, web-slingers need to be quick on the draw. Spider-Man’s trigger extends from just beneath the spinneret nozzle to the top of his palm, where it widens into a small disk. To fire, he simply taps the disk twice (in rapid succession) with his middle and ring fingers. This double-tap feature helps avoid dangerous (and let’s face it, Freudian) misfires. The longer the second tap lasts, the thicker the strand.

Step 7: Keep plenty of spare cartridges on hand.
Each of Spider-Man’s web-shooters holds ten cartridges: one attached to the nozzle, and nine spares lining the outside of the wristlets. The efficiency-minded Peter Parker even created a mechanism that automatically changes cartridges when one runs dry! You’d think that 20 spares would be enough, but just to be on the safe side, Spidey also wears a belt that holds an additional 30 cartridges.
 
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I want to note that the tensile strength of the webbing Changes in this story. Galvanized steel has a Mpa of around 531. 120 pounds per millimeter cross-sections is equal to 533 MPA. This number is two MPA more than steel, not three times. Also the MPa of Nylon is 58, so it wouldn't be rational to say that nylon is stronger than steel. Spider silk is 1000 Mpa or twice of some steels. No matter what, the numbers don't add up. So Which do you guys think? Should the webbing be three times stronger than steel, the same tensile strength of nylon, or the tensile strength of actual spider silk? Keep in mind that he is a high school student. I'm more partial to believe that it has the strength of nylon with high enough elasticity as to avoid breaking. I just don't know.
 
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Nylon definitely... But at the same time though if we could make the cartidges for cheap, how? Why?
 
Hey guys. I am probably going to make the cuffs and triggers today, or tomorrow. I think my design should work relatively well. But I plan to reenforce the flasks with liquid metal coatings and maybe a bit of welding. My question is: Will the liquid metal melt the flask? And I figured out how to shoot the web balls (Paintballs filled with fluid):
All you really need is a reenforced flask with just the propellant indide, and put the ball on the tip of the spinnerette, and presto! I suppose this could be done with a normal cartridge with the fluid, too. I'll post whatever I get done sometime tomorrow.
 

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