World How to make the spiderman web shooters.

[White_widow]

Hey guys, do you want to create a relatively strong fiber that is shear thinning, possibly flammable, and biodegradable? Ok, this is my backup fluid.

--------- acetate
acetone
---- --- powder
-----
-----
This is almost sure proof. ----- links --------- which is present in both the ---- --- and the acetate. It should be an elastic, strong material.

 

[JMA610]

Nice!!!!! This should be much stronger, and the guar gum will most likely solve the space issues as to the amountof webs shot per cartridge. Anyway, I just found this page. Not sure if you already saw it, but I figured it would give us some added info on the fluid and shooters: http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/s/spiderman.htm
The webshooter part is at the very bottom.

 

[White_widow]

Good website! Yeah, I saw something like that. Did you fix your web batch?

 

[JMA610]

No, I havent had a chance to. But I might just try out the new formula and tweak it a little. I've got a good idea to reenforce it and make it adhesive. Have you got a propellent for this one, or is it still the old one? I might have an idea for that, too.

 

[White_widow]

No, I haven't. What's the idea?

 

[White_widow]

Wait for the idea to make it adhesive, Is the idea superglue? Don't do that. It will utterly destroy the acetate and the ----.

 

[JMA610]

Well, for this version of the fluid, I might use the same propellent as the old one, or I might, very slight chance though, use CO2 in the flask, or compressed oxygen, or another highly reactive mixture. I have yet to discover the EXACT ingrediants, but something simple, cheap, and fast to propell.

 

[JMA610]

And no, I wasnt going for superglue. Actually, my idea was to maybe add some ------- contact cement, and possibly add it to acetate adhesives, which are used in the new formula, Right? Or is it just --------- -------? And this would mean that if the webs get wet, they would rapidly lose strength. Maybe a waterproof chemical could be added?

 

[White_widow]

And no, I wasnt going for superglue. I was planning on using more instant contact cement and maybe adding it with cellulose acetate or acetate adhesives.

Acetate adhesives are like elmer's glue. I don't think that they are that adhesive. --------- acetate is basically re-engineered ---- -----proteins in a purer form. I do agree that we should use instant contact adhesives.

 

[JMA610]

Ok. I have been doing more research, and found this bit of info:

After it is formed, --------- ------- is dissolved in ------- into a viscous resin for extrusion through spinnerets (which resemble a shower head). As the filaments emerge, the solvent is evaporated in warm air via dry spinning, producing fine cellulose acetate fibers.

So basically, if I can learn more about the spinnerets, I can develop a similar model for use with the shooters. And with enough time, we can develop seperate spinnerets for different web forms (i.e. nets, balls).

 

[JMA610]

I also just fund this: (Features of --------- -------)

cellulosic and thermoplastic
selective absorption and removal of low levels of certain organic chemicals (-------)
easily bonded with plasticizers, heat, and pressure (Perfect!)
------- is soluble in many common solvents (especially acetone and other organic solvents) and can be modified to be soluble in alternative solvents, including water (Also good)
hydrophilic: ------- wets easily, with good liquid transport and excellent absorption; in textile applications, it provides comfort and absorbency, but also loses strength when wet (Work in progress...)

So it wont work well when wet, and it gets wet easily. Maybe we could add some waterproofig chemicals, like:
------------------------
------------------------
------------------------
They increase workability and compression strength.

Heres where I found them:
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[T-Pott]

Alright, so I must now ask the inevitable question. Will these webs be for swinging, or for practical usage?

 

[White_widow]

I figured someone would ask that question. For me personally, I would use it as an apprehensional technology for criminals. I suppose that if I can figure out the chemistry behind my next big idea in webbing, it could (remotely) be possible to swing, though I wouldn't recommend it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFE1zkGTU-4&feature=related

The chameleon is a spy who mimicked peter's muscular physiology. If he had a hard time trying to swing, imagine what would happen to anyone other then a professional gymnast or sports fanatic. Besides there is almost no practical applications for this in small cities. Tall buildings equate swinging. Assuming JMA or I could create the formula that is perfect in every way, I still wouldn't recommend swinging. Since neither one of us work for 3M, or at least I'll assume we don't (I don't know anyone on this forum other then stanleewannabe) It's most likely not going to happen.

So in short, No.

 

[JMA610]

White widow said earlier in this thread that he was specifically designing the webs for PRACTICAL USE, and that he wasnt going for transportation.

 

[White_widow]

WOW..., I can't believe that I missed those two comments from JMA the first time around... EXCELLENT Research! As for the spinnerets, they are holes. That's it. A spinnerette is a machine that has holes that are strong enough to resist substantial pressure and allow materials to retain shape. For an example, you know those little play-doh statues that can "grow hair" when you force the play-doh through small openings? That is what the spinnerete is. The only difference between that and machines, is that the hole's outside material is stronger, and the substance is chemically bathed after it is extruded.

I guess you like this new formula with the ---------? I found it weeks ago under the name of -----, and I've been searching for an acetone solvable type since. Also, since it is natural, bacteria can eat it.

 

[White_widow]

Maybe when this first started, I was too quick to judge foam. Look at how strong this type is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk_gojAEwJA

Now while this isn't the expansion rate we're looking for, combining everything we've learned so far:

-Nanoglue being a polyeurethane glue http://www.pcworld.com/article/132477/new_nanoglue_shrinks_chips_sticks_like_spiderman.html

-The properties of ---- ---.

- The various polymers we've gone through (nylon, rayon, acetate, polystyrene)

-the instantly strong bonding of contact cement.

- and a few more articles, yet to be mentioned,

We can create a thixotropic, highly adhesive, highly cohesive, biodegradable polymer that is fire proof (using a special expansion fluid) with high tensile strength in fiber form. There is still one more thing I need to research, but I think we almost have the fluid (and of course experimenting different fluid ratios. Bleh!)

 

[Spectacular23]

Maybe when this first started, I was too quick to judge foam. Look at how strong this type is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk_gojAEwJA

Now while this isn't the expansion rate we're looking for, combining everything we've learned so far:

-Nanoglue being a polyeurethane glue http://www.pcworld.com/article/132477/new_nanoglue_shrinks_chips_sticks_like_spiderman.html

-The shear thinning properties of guar gum
.
- The various polymers we've gone through (nylon, rayon, acetate, polystyrene)

-the instantly strong bonding of contact cement.

- and a few more articles, yet to be mentioned,

We can create a shear thinning, highly adhesive, highly cohesive, biodegradable polymer that is fire proof (using a special expansion fluid) with high tensile strength in fiber form. There is still one more thing I need to research, but I think we almost have the fluid (and of course experimenting different fluid ratios. Bleh!)

With these properties do you know how the tensile strength is? Or maybe even how much weight it can carry? How about the reaction it has to air. It sounds like you're very close to finally cracking the web fluid formula, just have to clear that small gap!

 

[White_widow]

Due to naturally occuring water vapor in the air, the acetate has varying tensile strength. I don't have a number for it, nor can I find one online.

 

[Spectacular23]

Due to naturally occuring water vapor in the air, the acetate has varying tensile strength. I don't have a number for it, nor can I find one online.

What about an educated guess? Or estimate?

 

[White_widow]

I found a research paper on a reinforced --------- and taking the weakest value and making it smaller is around 52.6 Mpa. To put that in perspective, that is the same tensile strength of PVC though I suspect that the --------- will be anywhere around that value. That is 7628.983 psi, though due to the elasticicty of the polymer will be lessened dramatically.

 

[JMA610]

Very cool! You are sooooo close! I want to know if there is any way I can assist in finnishing this fluid. White widow, if there is anything you want me to research anything for this, let me know and I'll post my findings ASAP.

 

[White_widow]

I'll continue to work on the fluid. I found a chemical agent that will make it stronger, but I want to experiment a bit.
Now it's all a matter of the shooters.

 

[JMA610]

Ok, so what exactly is the oxygen crosslink? With this I'll be able to do much more research and testing. And were you thinking of combining ALL of the different polymers, or just 1 or 2 of them? Already looking into the procedure for the fluid....................

 

[JMA610]

And I just found a crosslink for oxygen using CDP/TTP, but was involving important scientists from crambridge, so I seriously doubt we can pull THAT off. But I'm sure we'll find something.

 

[White_widow]

I read that article too. No.., that's not the one. I found the final ingredient, and if my on paper theory is right. It should be super strong.(considering both polymers are already almost pure oxygen. I found an oxygen cross linking polyurethane. Yeah, that's right. The same substance that makes up gorilla glue, nano glue, abfoam, and the hard part of spandex. It's the final key, and until I can go to college in several months, this is the best theory so far.

The ---- acts like small rubber band linking the --------- acetate. Between the gap is the polyurethane keeping it sturdy and strong. The acetone will keep it in liquid form and the guar will make that form shear thinning. The boron in the ----- makes the bond flame resistant, or at least lowers the combustive properties, and finally, the acetate and ---- --- --------are biodegradable. If it is left alone, they should (which might not be the case because of the crosslinkage) biodegrade leaving only the polyurethane which was fragmented. It becomes a powder.

Now, with all this information, There is two unanswered questions other than specific properties.

1.) What happened to the acetone? It contains oxygen and hydrogen which are crosslinked by the two agents.

2.)How shear thinning will the fluid be? If the ---- ---is linked to the cellulose, it will possibly effect elasticity, but will it's strong oxygen bond make the molecules unable to flow, even in liquid form? Oh well, that's why
super nerds like me are here. I'm just the science geek to test this sort of thing.

(Pricing:
-------:3-5$
---- --- :8$
polyurethane 15-20$
--------- -------: This one is tricky. Trying to find it for cheap will take time but isn't impossible)