How to reboot the Fantastic Four's ORIGIN...

[OsGom]

I don't know about the origin, but DOOM SHOULD KEEP THE DAMN MASK ON!!!

Seriously. He should have been like Hugo Weaving in V for Vendetta, not like Tobey "face-time" MacGuire in the Spidey series.

Agreed. They never should have shown VVDs true face.

 

[Spider-Vader]

2003 Hulk ended by being awesome

2008 Hulk started by sucking

Wrong, with the Hulk a little cry baby & a crap non-comics villain. It'd be slightly better if they had no villain at all.

Hulk was boring. TIH was a fun movie, that (IMO) felt the like a comic book come to life.

 

[bubbadoom]

First, I am totally against the waste of screen time a retelling of the origin would be, but if they did...
The only thing I liked about the "Ultimate" FF series was having their origin linked to the Negative Zone; then again, about the only thing I liked about the "Heroes Reborn" was linking their origin with Galactus and the Surfer.
I personally do not think we need to see any origin at all. A prologue could tell us all we need to know [like the new Hulk] or even a few lines of dialogue ["ever since that accident in space that gave us these fantastic powers..."] or a well placed flash back.
I just do not see what is to be gained by revisiting the same story again to any great length. Like the Bond and Bat Man movies, just start the film with a new cast and I am sure the viewer will be able to figure out that the guy who stretches is Reed, the one who flames on is Johnny, etc. Anything that you do not like from the first two, just ignore - it won't make any difference.

 

[ClarkLuther55]

All im trying to say is that I'd rather them not waste time by making another origin.

Then they would have just wasted the entire movie and nailed the coffin shut on the FF franchise. The public does not like Tim Story's movies, and won't stand for more of the same. Stop thinking like an impatient fanboy, most people want to see a movie with a beginning, middle, and end featuring interesting characters who they're invested in. You don't skip the origin if you want people to care about your characters. Batman Begins was an origin story, and people loved it. Superman Returns wrongfully assumed that the origin didn't need to be shown, and paid the price for it.

And I'm sorry for getting on the whole Hulk argument, but listening to the director at the NY comic con, he pretty much basically said that it's not 'necessarily a reboot'. This isnt really a 'im right you're wrong type of arguement'. Just relax and take it as a matter of interpretation

That same guy has said it's not a sequel. And the movie shows a different origin that doesn't involve Ang Lee's crap. Therefore, it is a reboot.

 

[Jordacar]

At the time Louis said that it's 'not necessarily a reboot,' I'm not sure anyone had a clear definition of 'reboot.'

Also, I think Superman Returns had far more problems besides not showing the origin.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Wrong, with the Hulk a little cry baby & a crap non-comics villain. It'd be slightly better if they had no villain at all.

Hulk was boring. TIH was a fun movie, that (IMO) felt the like a comic book come to life.

 

[Spider-Fan]

At the time Louis said that it's 'not necessarily a reboot,' I'm not sure anyone had a clear definition of 'reboot.'

Also, I think Superman Returns had far more problems besides not showing the origin.

A+++

 

[WillardNation]

"Point your fingers higher up the Fox food chain at who was clearly at fault"

I think we can all agree that Fox is a horrible horrible studio that ruins everything it touches. (Ok, the first 2 Spiderman's were good, but besides them...)

 

[bubbadoom]

But of course, the Spidey films were Sony, not Fox!

 

[Jordacar]

And one of the reasons Rothman and the other Fox execs have handled their superhero properties so poorly was because they were wildly envious of the success of the Spidey films.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

i'd keep Chris Evans, hes the perfect Johnny Storm...definitely portrayed the Character perfectly IMO

id also keep Michael C as The Thing. the dynamic between Johnny and Thing was the only think i liked about the FF movies

 

[Ronny Shade]

Michael Chiklis is a terrible choice for the Thing.

I love Chiklis, but he's not exactly the most attractive man. Part of the tragedy of the character Ben Grimm is that he was a good looking guy before he was transformed.

What you need it a guy who looks like David Boreanaz and sounds like Clancy Brown.

 

[WillardNation]

Oh yeah, I forgot Spidey was with Sony. My bad.

 

[bubbadoom]

I do not recall Ben Grimm ever really being "good looking." Between him and Reed, Ben was the less handsome of the two. The tragedy was that he was a nice guy trapped in the body of a thing. Now Doom was the handsome fella who was so vane that he thought a tiny scar disfigured him...
Clancy Brown would make a good Thing and a good Ben Grimm!

 

[Ronny Shade]

He's a bit old

 

[Jordacar]

One way they could start the movie is to have the Four already in space checking out the cosmic rays (or whatever), and then cut to a news report on their mission, introducing each of the characters, kinda like the beginning of Iron Man and Tropic Thunder.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I always thought the idea of Von Doom as a vane fifth member who gets disfigured instead of enpowered and snaps and blames Reed for everything was a good idea for stream-lining the origin, but it wasnt exactly what we got.

I think the regular Fantastic Four origin would do just fine. I think adding Dr. Doom tampering with the mission(like the Heroes Reborn FF) would work nice.

 

[Patron12]

been a lurker here for a while and ive had an idea for a fantastic four film for a long time
reboot it start over and have mole man and dr doom as main villains and show origins of all characters including mole man and doom
i would start the movie with dooms origin actually

 

[Jordacar]

Welcome to the Hype patron!

Like I've said before, I'd save Doom for the sequel, TDK-style. It might be cool to start the second movie (hell, maybe the first like u said) with some kind of flashback to young Von Doom, or maybe his Papa von Doom. It could be the kind of flashback where the audience doesn't even know what it is or what it means until later.

 

[bubbadoom]

If the producers knew that they would be doing several FF movies, then I would intro Doom in the first one via him and Reed in college and the accident that disfigures him. Then in part two he becomes Dr. Doom and takes over his country, etc. Finally in part three he confronts the FF, etc. So maybe, if Marvel ever gets the property back we can see something like this.

 

[Patron12]

well what i was thinking was start off with dooms origin than see how he gets to america, reed through college, etc then the space flight and have him there but no powers, just kinda disfiguered. that really kinda ruined what doom was about. then when they get back have him go back to latveria and do his thing
id also have him kinda behind the scenes throughout. kinda harvey dent-esque like u said in tdk but have mole man as the villain. then like u guys said have doom for sequel or have him be the one who got mole man to attack or something

 

[Artistsean]

I once heard Stan Lee say that Reed Richards says ten words when he only needed to say one.
I also heard that Doc Brown from Back to the Future is like that too,

So I would have Reed over explaining and using ten words for every one word in the film like that.
I would probably also set the film in the 50s, 60, 70, or something like that. In the past to make it more nostalgic and more family fun adventure feeling. I would make the movies a place where anything, even outlandish things like a giant man in armor can threaten to eat the earth. I would have the FF do more adventurous stuff like go into the Negative Zone, fight Doom, save the Earth from Skrulls, and various things like that.

I would also use, for reference and inspirational, the old space, adventure, sci fi, films.

And i would return Dr. Doom to his glory, but not use him all the time either.

 

[Rich Santoro]

FF could be successful with a campy Star Trek feel... (where there is some over the top psuedo-science behind everything... the super-sciency aspect of Reed was sorely missing in the FF films). However, it might be a weird move to reboot the franchise in such a drastically different mold. I am not sure that people would be into the franchise at all, much less with such a different twist.

Maybe it would work... I would like to see it.

But I really think the best way to reboot the FF is to move on to the next episode, and retcon certain details. Have Reed obsessed with trying to find out what is going on with Galactus and SS now (an event like that would pretty huge, even for the mass intellect of Reed). And definitely play up Reed's mega-brain. Fix Sue altogether, but Thing and Torch are usable as is (though I would like some CG to up-size Thing... if only to make him broader).

Now, Reed is spending all his time pouring over astonomical data... They are preparing to make new expeditions into space, this time with Reed's own financing (he came by the resources, perhaps through some govenment work and patents, to produce his own craft). Then off they go... then any number of astrological phenomenon could occur (run-ins with the Skrull, The Watcher, the Celestials, the Inhumans, the Deviants, the Eternals, the Negative Zone, etc...) Thwarting Galactus in an attempt at another planet could be good... this time they determine that Galactus is targetting another planet, and enounter Terrax in trying to save the planet. This coul fold SS back in, and save him as a possible franchise.

All the while, a re-write of Doom could take place as a sub-plot... Play up the details behind Doom becoming the ruler of a independant citi-state in Eastern Europe. Several countries released some territoty to Doom in return for advanced technology. Reed mentions that he is troubled to find this out, because Doom is obsessed with power... This would not be terribly inconsistent with what happenned before (as not to confuse casual movie-goers), but primes us to go in a new direction with Doom for future films... Then in a future film, the full retcon to how Doom is supposed to be could be established.

 

[Patron12]

yea i always saw the fantastic four being a good sci fi comic movie
wat i would do is again start with doom and then have him go to america thanks to think tank(only thing pulled from ultimate ff) then in comes reed and sue maybe johnny. in college reed meets ben and ben jokingly promises to pilot reeds flight if it ever happens. have dr storm be important like in ultimate ff. have him disregard mole mans discoveries. then the flight happens. come back mole mans plan goes into actions systematically attacks cities numerous times. then the four have lots off confrontations. doom is in the background of all this taking over latveria and such. have a subplot with someone claiming reed had the mission happen so he could use the other 4 as guniea pig. by the third act have doom come in and have his grand plan seeing as he was behind all this, some kind of machine that recreates the cosmic storm as a weapon and get disfiguered embrace his destiny and become doom. fight, four stop him and have him disappear into a pocket dimension created by the machine. could be left open for sequels to include the negative zone
just my 2 cents

 

[Jordacar]

Adding in Dr. Storm would definitely be different, and bring in a whole other layer to the Johnny & Sue.

I don't know much about 616 Dr. Storm, but I would show that Reed is basically a lot like Papa Storm (so Sue fell for a guy like her Dad) while Johnny rebelled and became the complete opposite of his Dad.