How to reboot the Fantastic Four's ORIGIN...

[Rich Santoro]

I posted this idea on the DD reboot thread also... Bottom-line, perhaps the cleanest way to reboot the FF is via a TV series... They can be re-created, and their story retold on the small screen... Then the series itself can be expanded to a movie, which would replace the originals, using the canon of the series.

It could be a great Star Trek meets Dr. Who kind of adventure series.

 

[GL1]

Very nice. I think Marvel is missing great small screen opportunities with their big screen mentality. I understand for larger-than-life characters like Iron Man and Hulk, but for smaller guys, like Young X-Men and even the cheap-except-for-stretching Fantastic Four, a TV series could be awesome.

Plus, it'd make it more likely for me to see Kristen Bell as Sue.

 

[Rich Santoro]

^ I was playing FF: ROTSS... the story goes well beyond anything that came oout of the film, and the characters / villains are more accurate to the books. Watching the cinematics in it has gotten me to like the idea of a TV series, more and more... This is not to even mention that it would go a long way toward re-booting Doom.

 

[kedrell]

I'm still a big proponent of tying the FF's origin(cosmic storm) into the whole SS/Glactus thing. It's just a bit more plausable given the inherent mythology that weirdo storms like that one that have that sort of an effect on living tissue(i.e. breaking the natural laws of the universe) aren't just randomly floating around in space on the off-chance that some people might need super-powers, but rather that they are an intentionally created tool for some alien super being who feeds on planets. Perhaps to keep seeding uninhabited planets for the future so that Galactus won't use up every planet in the cosmos.

 

[Jordacar]

I'm still a big proponent of tying the FF's origin(cosmic storm) into the whole SS/Glactus thing. It's just a bit more plausable given the inherent mythology that weirdo storms like that one that have that sort of an effect on living tissue(i.e. breaking the natural laws of the universe) aren't just randomly floating around in space on the off-chance that some people might need super-powers, but rather that they are an intentionally created tool for some alien super being who feeds on planets. Perhaps to keep seeding uninhabited planets for the future so that Galactus won't use up every planet in the cosmos.

I like I like I like!!!

 

[Patron12]

yea it gives galactus an overall different
death but with death comes life
life always finds a way lol

 

[Artistsean]

I'm still a big proponent of tying the FF's origin(cosmic storm) into the whole SS/Glactus thing. It's just a bit more plausable given the inherent mythology that weirdo storms like that one that have that sort of an effect on living tissue(i.e. breaking the natural laws of the universe) aren't just randomly floating around in space on the off-chance that some people might need super-powers, but rather that they are an intentionally created tool for some alien super being who feeds on planets. Perhaps to keep seeding uninhabited planets for the future so that Galactus won't use up every planet in the cosmos.

Early in the FF comics (by Stan and Jack) the FF got their powers because they traveled into space, out of Earth's atmosphere, without propper shielding for their spaceship. Like Earth had a shielding of cosmic rays. That was because Man hadn't gotten to the Moon yet, and the Space Race was still happening. My idea to update that part of the story would be to switch trying to get to the Moon first to trying to get to Mars first. (No one has gotten to Mars yet, and who is to say that it isn't surrounded by Cosmic Rays).

yea it gives galactus an overall different
death but with death comes life
life always finds a way lol

I cam up with an idea similar to that, not exactly the same, but similar for an ultimate FF story.
My idea:
[BLACKOUT]Reed found a space anomaly and went into space to check it out. It would turn out to be a belt of Cosmic Rays that seemed to wrap around Earth (as far as Reed could tell). He and his teammates went into space to check it out, as soon as they discovered what it was (a belt of Cosmic Rays) it was too late to avoid it and they were bombarded and found out after they crashed to Earth that they had powers.
But it wouldn't be until issues later, when they met the Ultimate Silver Surfer and the Ultimate Galactus that they dicsovered that the Cosmic Ray Belt was created by the Silver Surfer's surf board. Galactus gave the Surfer a small portion of his Power Cosmic. Surfer didn't mean to, its just a trail his board makes, marking Earth for Galactus. Signalling him where to go next. But the Power Cosmic is so... powerful, that even the trail left by the Silver Surfer's board was enough Comic Energy to give the FF super powers.
So the FF are sort of created by Galactus.[/BLACKOUT]

Its similar but different. I like the whole Life/Death angle to the version you guys were talking about.

 

[ironman29758]

I cam up with an idea similar to that, not exactly the same, but similar for an ultimate FF story.
My idea:
[blackout]Reed found a space anomaly and went into space to check it out. It would turn out to be a belt of Cosmic Rays that seemed to wrap around Earth (as far as Reed could tell). He and his teammates went into space to check it out, as soon as they discovered what it was (a belt of Cosmic Rays) it was too late to avoid it and they were bombarded and found out after they crashed to Earth that they had powers.
But it wouldn't be until issues later, when they met the Ultimate Silver Surfer and the Ultimate Galactus that they dicsovered that the Cosmic Ray Belt was created by the Silver Surfer's surf board. Galactus gave the Surfer a small portion of his Power Cosmic. Surfer didn't mean to, its just a trail his board makes, marking Earth for Galactus. Signalling him where to go next. But the Power Cosmic is so... powerful, that even the trail left by the Silver Surfer's board was enough Comic Energy to give the FF super powers.
So the FF are sort of created by Galactus.[/blackout]

Its similar but different. I like the whole Life/Death angle to the version you guys were talking about.

reminds me of the hero reborn fantastic four origin

 

[Artistsean]

reminds me of the hero reborn fantastic four origin

Why, what happened in that?

 

[Artistsean]

I think I have figured out a good way to reboot the Fantastic Four Franchise,

[FONT=&quot]I don't know if I thought of this before, or if I even already posted it once before, it’s possible that my mind is like a carousel that goes around and around, and around. I can tend to ramble on and on...
but I just thought of a GREAT way to reboot the Fantastic Four franchise.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]An animated TV show, not just a Saturday morning cartoon.
But a Prime Time animated TV show with quality writing, and awe inspiring animation.[/FONT]

The show could be done in Bruce Timm level animation like Batman, Superman, Batman Beyond and JLU, but with a Jack Kirby edge to it. (Bruce Timm could even be in charge). And the writing can be great too, not that it would only be targeted to Adults though. It could be based on the Stan Lee and Jack Kirby run of the Fantastic Four. Stan Lee, if he wanted to, could even be the narrator.

Here is an idea of what it could look like, some FF pics by Timm in the Kirby style:

About the Animation style:
Just because the character designs could have a Jack Kirby influence doesn’t mean the animation style would be like Minorateam (spelling?) or limited in anyway. I would like the animation to be as fluid as Timm’s JLU cartoon show. I don’t mean that I would expect Disney or Pixar level detail and quality for a TV show, just that it could be as good on animation as the Simpsons are.
The coloring would be big and bright like the comic. The backgrounds would be (like the Clerks cartoon) sharp and graphic, and would also be Kirby like detailed.

I have more ideas but I need time to sort them into an organized and understandable fashion.

I like this idea so much I might just create a thread for it in the Fan Fiction section, like I did with my live action X-Men TV series.

 

[Patron12]

Early in the FF comics (by Stan and Jack) the FF got their powers because they traveled into space, out of Earth's atmosphere, without propper shielding for their spaceship. Like Earth had a shielding of cosmic rays. That was because Man hadn't gotten to the Moon yet, and the Space Race was still happening. My idea to update that part of the story would be to switch trying to get to the Moon first to trying to get to Mars first. (No one has gotten to Mars yet, and who is to say that it isn't surrounded by Cosmic Rays).



I cam up with an idea similar to that, not exactly the same, but similar for an ultimate FF story.
My idea:
[blackout]Reed found a space anomaly and went into space to check it out. It would turn out to be a belt of Cosmic Rays that seemed to wrap around Earth (as far as Reed could tell). He and his teammates went into space to check it out, as soon as they discovered what it was (a belt of Cosmic Rays) it was too late to avoid it and they were bombarded and found out after they crashed to Earth that they had powers.
But it wouldn't be until issues later, when they met the Ultimate Silver Surfer and the Ultimate Galactus that they dicsovered that the Cosmic Ray Belt was created by the Silver Surfer's surf board. Galactus gave the Surfer a small portion of his Power Cosmic. Surfer didn't mean to, its just a trail his board makes, marking Earth for Galactus. Signalling him where to go next. But the Power Cosmic is so... powerful, that even the trail left by the Silver Surfer's board was enough Comic Energy to give the FF super powers.
So the FF are sort of created by Galactus.[/blackout]

Its similar but different. I like the whole Life/Death angle to the version you guys were talking about.

i saw a special on how the mission to mars would be like on the science channnel and it talk about all kinds of awesome **** that wed have to do to get there and cosmic rays were one of them

 

[Artistsean]

So its realistic? I had no idea.

See, its realistic and you can do the original story without having to change a lot of it. Just change the moon (which at the time we were trying to get to) to Mars (which we are trying to get to now). And nothing else needs to be changed.

 

[kedrell]

I think the word realism gets tossed around too much. Most of the time what people are really meaning is plausibility. That's what I love about the SS/Galactus angle being thrown in with the FF's origin. It's more plausable than some random unconnected storm in space.

 

[Eggyman]

Reboot lol

Now that's a word getting thrown around far too much. Let's reboot Watchmen. It doesn't matter that it's not out yet - let's do it anyway.

 

[sabetoonth]

wow, thats either sarcasm or just being rude, i think the storm ss galacus angle was cool. if they go for ff3, i hope to god they do with a better movie, havethat connection come up, and whats more dangerous than a planet eater? a different dimension army led by a giant bug, hellbent on conquering or destroying earth, i se the scene were they find out the storm and g are connected is reed is examining some galactus dust and the readings come out indenticle to the storm which gave them powers

 

[kedrell]

IMO, there should be no FF3. Just an FF Begins type scenario maybe 8 years from now when all previous tries are at least 10 years old.

 

[Rich Santoro]

Do a TV show to re-create everything... then spin that off it a movie, for a cinematic do-over.

 

[Artistsean]

I think the word realism gets tossed around too much. Most of the time what people are really meaning is plausability. That's what I love about the SS/Galactus angle being thrown in with the FF's origin. It's more plausable than some random unconnected storm in space.

I was just joking.
I just wanted to reiterate my own Mars idea,
because its the same origin as the comic but with a slight change in location.

The idea though back then wasn't that it was a random storm. The Red Ghost went up the next year and (because space is made of cosmic rays, or because there is a layer of cosmic rays around Earth) he got super powers too.
So it wasn't an accidental storm, like the movie was saying, it was a common thing (I guess the changed it somehow though).

But if Mars was the reason, saying that Mars had cosmic rays, then it wouldn't be random either.
It would always be there, and few people can make it to Mars.

 

[kedrell]

Mars, coupled w/ cosmic storm would be just fine, IMO. I just think Galactus being the source of a storm that can do all that is more plausible than it having no other explanation for it's existence. And if it stays in one spot, or maybe circles the solar system like a comet so it can be used again like w/ the Red Ghost or U-FOES or what not, then that's fine w/ me as well. But just a random storm in space that just happened to give people superpowers is too contrived and convenient, IMO.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It would take years to reach Mars though.

I think making Galactus part of the origin is a good idea, but you can't have Galactus vs. the FF in a first movie. You have to build to that. Why do I say that? Cause of scale. Your films should keep getting bigger or have the same stakes. What kind of precedent are we establishing if Galactus (a planet eater) is the first villain? Anyone else pales in comparison. This is why I say build up to Galactus, and use him and the Surfer in the 3rd film. You can say that an odd anomoly is occuring in the first film, and have the Watcher reveal in the third that the anomoly was caused by Galactus.

First film should be FF origin and Dr. Doom's Rise in Latveria. Second film should be FF vs. Dictator Doom. Last film FF vs. Galactus.

 

[kedrell]

I wasn't saying have Galactus as the 1st villain. Heavens, no! But have Reed continually trying to piece together the mystery of the storm, which ultimately would lead back to Galactus. Yeah, I'd like to see the Watcher in there as well.

And I know it would take years to get to Mars, but one thing they could also take from the comics is that Reed has created something revolutionary in his new ship design. In the original comics, a rocketship alone was revolutionary(remember this was still 8 years before we made it to the moon and only 4 after Sputnik); in the movie it could be a revolutionary propulsion system that could make a several years long trip take only days, weeks or months.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I wasn't saying have Galactus as the 1st villain. Heavens, no! But have Reed continually trying to piece together the mystery of the storm, which ultimately would lead back to Galactus.

And I know it would take years to get to Mars, but one thing they could also take from the comics is that Reed has created something revolutionary in his new ship design. In the original comics, a rocketship alone was revolutionary(remember this was still 8 years before we made it to the moon and only 4 after Sputnik); in the movie it could be a revolutionary propulsion system that could make a several years long trip take only days, weeks or months.

That would make the idea work nicely

As for what the first movie is about, the movie's have to be different. I've thought of many ideas on how to put Doom and the FF's origin in the same movie. In any idea, I always dedicate the first like 10mins to Reed and Doom in college at like MIT. End this portion with Victor leaving the college after the accident.

As for what the plot can be once they come back from Mars, here is a suggestion I just came up with, but not sure what people would think of it. What if the FF land in a foreign nation once they come back to Earth. This nation turns out to be Latveria, which is in the midst of a civil war between to rival groups. The rebellion is led by Victor Von Doom. The FF discover their powers (perhaps become enemies of the state, and housed by Victor as they get in trouble with the forces of Latveria). Doom uses them to defeat the evil dictator and assume power. However, we build up Doom's lust for power and progressively he is making a secret weapon. This turns out to be his power suit later in the film. In this film, Doom wins in a way and sets up a larger rivalry with the FF, since the FF created the Latverian dictator.

Good?

 

[Artistsean]

Not a bad idea.
I think, because of the past two films (in fact the original unreleased movie did something similar didn't it?), the FF film reboot needs to start with some character who isn't Dr. Doom. Maybe he could be presented in the background, sort of build him up for later on. But I think they need to build up the FF's rogues gallery more than just Doom (as cool as he is).

 

[kedrell]

^Not bad at all. Sure some bit need to still be filled in, but it's a decent start.

 

[Spider-Fan]

^This is why I suggest having Latveria being ruled by someone else and him being the actual villain of the film. Doom here would be more of a supporting character.