Justice League How would you feel about John Stewart amd Wally West instead of Hal and Barry?

[Venom'sDad]

Hal have always taken a back seat to Supes & Bats...they are the leaders. Don't try to portray Hal as being on equal standing as those two...hell, he's below Wonder Woman.

As far as the cop thing, Martian Manhunter. Hal is not along...besides Stewart is Galactic cop as well, that's what the Corps are. You and others are trying to make a difference as if Stewart is not. They all(GLCorps) have inner strength, so let me better clarify. Stewart's inner strength derive from his confidence of assurance...he knows what he can do and his ability, his strengths. Hal's inner strength derive from his confidence of arrogance...he thinks he can do whatever, which often enough get himn and team in trouble. He does not know or fully understand his strengths & limitations, and his own abilities; so he goes out like a loose cannon.

Now if you want inner conflict for the team, as far as not being a team player, then Hal is the guy. Thor, as wild as he is, still have understanding of his abilities, and does not fight under wild assumptions. Stewart, imo, bring a more subtle sense of calmness & assurity(if that's a word). He's more stable and more personally dynamic. Some of the best characters have an inner coflict within themselves, and that make the character that much more dynamic.

 

[HighFivingMF]

So Hal earned the title "Greatest Green Lantern" by not knowing what the **** he's doing? Alrighty then.

 

[Venom'sDad]

LOL, because of his "Solo" act with Parallax...yeah

 

[DaveMoral]

First of all, try reading what I actually wrote. I'm saying there is a media and product wide emphasis on Hal Jordan in all things Justice League. As far as the demographics they are shooting for, I'd bet on there being a larger role for GL in Justice League than Wonder Woman, a character for whom WB hasn't even bothered to make a serious effort to get to the big screen. GL has, thougb it flopped... hard. He is, however, all over other JL marketing strategies right now. WW is almost nowhere to be seen. So I am not saying Hal has been on equal footing with Supes, Bats and WW in the past... I'm saying there is no reason he shouldn't be(especially as, arguably, the most powerful and versatile hero in the League) and given the prominence of GL(Hal Jordan) in DC products right now there's reason to believe that GL will have billing over WW.

You can't honestly claim that John Stewart is a more dynamic character because of "inner conflict" while simultaneously arging that a richer, more interesting backstory(Hal) is unimportant in JL because there's not going to be time for that kind of character development. By that reasoning Stewart would.just be there as a placeholder, not as a character who adds something to the team. He and Flash would rendered into Hawkeye's and Black Widow's place at best. Especially if they went with the same roster as JL(U). Martian Manhunter was higher ranked than GL in that show.

 

[DaveMoral]

Hal Jordan, by the way, is the absolute KING of GL inner conflict.

Do you want a live action recreation of JL the animated series, or do you want to see a live action Justice League movie? JLU waa great but I don't want to see that ground retread. I want to see them do something more akin to the comics. And I think that offers a richer route to explore. And that includes Hal Jordan. He's a far more dynamic character if you know the character. Instead of judging him off the movie. The New Frontier, First Flight, Emerald Knights and GLTAS offer a great portrayal of the character if you won't read comics. Go back to the source material and there is no dount that Jordan is the more dynamic character. The center of the mythos and far more pathos. If you want Stewart because of JLU then you're arguing more for a guy that will simply fade into the background. But then you're going to end up with JL being World's Finest and Friends.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Hal have always taken a back seat to Supes & Bats...they are the leaders. Don't try to portray Hal as being on equal standing as those two...hell, he's below Wonder Woman.

As far as the cop thing, Martian Manhunter. Hal is not along...besides Stewart is Galactic cop as well, that's what the Corps are. You and others are trying to make a difference as if Stewart is not. They all(GLCorps) have inner strength, so let me better clarify. Stewart's inner strength derive from his confidence of assurance...he knows what he can do and his ability, his strengths. Hal's inner strength derive from his confidence of arrogance...he thinks he can do whatever, which often enough get himn and team in trouble. He does not know or fully understand his strengths & limitations, and his own abilities; so he goes out like a loose cannon.

Now if you want inner conflict for the team, as far as not being a team player, then Hal is the guy. Thor, as wild as he is, still have understanding of his abilities, and does not fight under wild assumptions. Stewart, imo, bring a more subtle sense of calmness & assurity(if that's a word). He's more stable and more personally dynamic. Some of the best characters have an inner coflict within themselves, and that make the character that much more dynamic.

That is not in John's character at all. Every human Green Lantern, except maybe Guy is worried that they don't have what it takes. Hal because he was influenced by Parallax, Kyle because he wasn't sure he was worthy of Jordan's (The Greatest GL's) ring, Alan because he is subject to the whim of the Starheart and he could be controlled by it, and John, because due to his own hubris, he let a planet die.

 

[DaveMoral]

Confidence of assurancs and confidence of arrogance are hardly different. Hal Jordan knows what he can do, what his strengths are etc. That's his inner strength. He's literally snatched victoey from the jaws of defeat at every turn and against the odds. Especially when no one believed in him. Staeting with the Guardians and other GLs(they actually captured this aspect perfectly in the movie) because of his humanity. Hal has managed what no others could. Even willed his ring to overcome the yellow impurity before Parallax was released from the Central Battery. Hal's arrogance comes from his will to overcome all odds, and that's primarily in the early part of his career.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Not to mention the Guardians put a safeguard in the rings so Lanterns could never hurt a Guardian and Hal still willed his ring to blast a goddamn hole through the middle of Krona's chest.

 

[brainchild81]

You keep saying "badass space marine" but John Stewart has rarely been that. Even in JLU. He had like 3 or 4 episodes to himself in 4 seasons. At least 2 of those were John mostly chained up and on trial and submitting to it. The rest of the series he was clearly a subordinate of Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. Whenever people bring up John in relation to "team dynamic" this is precisely what they refer to... he easily takes a backseat to Bats and Supes.

Really? You might wanna look at the series again because I'm not sure where you got that from. John was rarely a subordinate to anybody that wasn't a Guardian. In fact, he was barking out orders most of the time. The one time I remember him taking any orders from anybody else was from Batman when they got turned into kids. Ex. When Amazo was coming for Lex, JS put himself on the ''space team”. Supes was there also but when it was clear that words weren't gonna stop him, it was JS who gave the order to attack. ''LIGHT HIM UP” or something like that. Where does this ''subordinate” stuff come from?

I think the most interesting thing to do with Justice League is that clash of personalities, and you're not going to get that out of any incarnation of John Stewart. Hal Jordan has a stronger personality for such a storyline. And I think it more likely for JL to have Batman, Superman and Green Lantern as leads than Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman if for no other reason than WB hasn't even seriously attepted to put WW on the big screen to introduce her character and mythos(and they've failed hard on a TV pilot that strayed far from the roots). GL, regardless of the flopping of the movie, has way more exposure to the demographics they will be aiming for.

Also, I'm 33. I grew up on fighter pilots, not marines. Top Gun. Iron Eagle. X-wing fighter pilots. To me Hal Jordan's military background is much more romantic and fitting for a guy that flies around in space.

I think the GL Corps is closer to the Marine CORPS than it is to being a pilot. What branch was Hal a pilot for anyways? They all have pilots

 

[DaveMoral]

The only similarity between the GLC and the Marines is the use of "corps." Hal Jordan was in the Air Force, formerly known as the US Army Air Corps.

 

[brainchild81]

Not really. GLC goes around policing stuff and so does the USMC. You don't normally see the airforce guys outside a plane unless something's gone horribly wrong

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

With John you can always show he's a formidable opponent once his ring is disabled.

Hal is helpless without a ring or plane.

 

[The Guard]

Re: The whole badass space marine thing: John Stewart may be that in some incarnations. But that in itself is not really all that interesting. That's a token/stock character from TRANSFORMERS with a Power Ring. ANY Green Lantern, given their potential, should arguably eventually be a badass, or they're not going to make a very good Green Lantern/survive.

Arguing over whether a character could be interesting is kind of pointless in the context of a JLA film. ANY character could be written in an interesting manner, and backstories of some characters could be merged with others. Some of you are right in saying that the odds are that the Green Lanterns' backstories won't be central to this film.

So to me it comes down to this: There comes a point where you either want to honor the Justice League mythology, or you don't. I'd prefer to honor the mythology, and see the original team as it more or less always has been/should be. I want the Justice League movie to be about the formation/best/most interesting/classic incarnation of the league...not about the fact that there are other Green Lanterns out there. To me, that's paramount above everything else except a good story and good character and theme exploration.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I don't think you have to revamp John Stewart's back story to make him interesting. Just use his warrior spirit and training, that has been established in the mythology, in new and creative ways.

and it's alot more relateable that a hardened marine would be one of the only humans worthy of being a Green Lantern. Hal doesn't bring much more to the table outside of the daddy issue cliche.

 

[DaveMoral]

Not really. GLC goes around policing stuff and so does the USMC. You don't normally see the airforce guys outside a plane unless something's gone horribly wrong

Now you're just grasping at straws.

 

[DaveMoral]

With John you can always show he's a formidable opponent once his ring is disabled.

Hal is helpless without a ring or plane.

Do you even know anything about these characters?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

How would Hal defeat any powerful super-villain without the ring?

Is there combat experience I don't know about?

 

[brainchild81]

Now you're just grasping at straws.

Nah. You're just not putting much thought into what should be pretty obvious. Marine to GL is a much easier jump than Airforce to GL. The cartoon creators even mentioned it. & regardless of what you grew up w/Marines do have a more badass rep than Airforce pilots. The only reps more badass are those of Special Forces. When he gave orders people listened. Hal doesn't command that type of respect.

Also, John's relationship w/Hawkgirl>>> Hal's w/whatever her name is.

 

[DaveMoral]

John's relationship with Hawkgirl is non-existent oitside JLU. And the creators of JLU are wrong. Point blank. I love that show, but it's simply not true that Hal doesn't command respect in the League.

I've actually offered concrete reasons for why Hal would fit the story better. What have your reasons been for John? Do you read comics? I'm beginning to think the only thing you know is the animated series.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

We can get into a pissing contest about encyclopedic knowledge of silver and golden age comics or you can simply list the specifics why a Hal character arc would be, by far, more compelling than a John Stewart character arc.

 

[brainchild81]

John's relationship with Hawkgirl is non-existent oitside JLU. And the creators of JLU are wrong. Point blank. I love that show, but it's simply not true that Hal doesn't command respect in the League.

I've actually offered concrete reasons for why Hal would fit the story better. What have your reasons been for John? Do you read comics? I'm beginning to think the only thing you know is the animated series.

The animated series is DC @it's best. I'm more of a Marvel guy. I tried to get into the new 52 via Static but the book was horrible. I'm currently reading the first few issues of GLC. The creators of JLU aren't wrong because you disagree. Don't be childish. John worked on that show and he didn't fade into the background or look like a subordinate like you claimed. I want a John on the team because it worked on JLU better than ALL of those versions that didn't have him. Show was so great that other DC shows set in an entirely different universe still pay homage. That IS the most interesting JL & they used the most interesting GL.

 

[DaveMoral]

It's not even remotely the most interesting JL incarnation. It was great but by far not the most interesting JL. Let alone John being the most interesting GL. That may be your opinion, but it is far from fact. And that's clear from your own admission that you're not particularly familiar with JLA comics or GL comics.

 

[The Guard]

What relationship of John's with Hawkgirl? The one on the kids' show where they basically just liked each other?

The animated series is DC @it's best.

No. No it isn't.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

It's not even remotely the most interesting JL incarnation. It was great but by far not the most interesting JL. Let alone John being the most interesting GL. That may be your opinion, but it is far from fact. And that's clear from your own admission that you're not particularly familiar with JLA comics or GL comics.

So no specifics why Hal is such a compelling character.

Just more "my comic book collection is bigger than your collection" nonsense.

 

[The Guard]

Let's start with the fact that Hal eventually became the spirit of God's vengeance and redemption...and work backward from there.