Sava
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ok, thanksCracker Jack said:August 30th
ok, thanksCracker Jack said:August 30th
You wish.Sava said:kiss me my ass .
Why is it so hard to understand that I just want the HULK to be the same HULK from the comics?Sava said:Hey, you liked X3, good for you, but alot of people disagree with you. You want the Hulk to sound like a ****** and say s**ty one liners when he's fighting, great, i dont. But hey, they do it in the comics right, so it cant go wrong ...
I've got two words for you, well.... actually one word consisting of two words put together to form a nameIons said:That's where you're wrong i've said I think he should speak, many times. Not just this thread but any thread where people are talking about him speaking in the sequel over the last few years.
I've said he should speak, just should not have alot of dialogue. Having an anti hero talk alot really isn't good for that character. I can't think of one anti-hero who has worked with chatter.
Ions said:I ask you this. Was Hulk in the Hulk?
Ions said:Rick Jones as of 2003 when Hulk came out was tied into Captain America license. So it was never happening.They(writer/director) probably have no idea who Rick Jones is(not being in the tv series, they are comic ignorant as far as I can tell).
Ions said:As for Igor... the height of the cold war it was a good idea. But today? Maybe if he was Chinese or Iranian or something. Hollywood loves to update things in such simple ways.
but thats the problem though, for the people outside of the comicbook world, all this would sound crap, there has to be some changes to Hulk to make him more suitable for the mainstream audience, if not, you can kiss TIH making 130mill goodbye. I'm not saying we should have a mute Hulk, they should make him talk, but only when he has something to say and not make him a one line machine. T2 was the best example of having a badass talking less yet still be effective and T3 was the best example of how to f**k it all up. Its like Ions said, Hulk is badass but if you have him talk alot or have him saying crappy lines, his effect is lost on people, they would be taken out of the moment and it would just make him look ... s**t. "Hulk smash" said at the wrong time or the wrong way would sound like the worst line ever, people wont be laughing because he said something funny, they would be laughing at him.DACMAN said:Why is it so hard to understand that I just want the HULK to be the same HULK from the comics?
DACMAN said:Just talk a little so we get the idea that he and Banner are two totally different beings.
Who WAS that anyway?Retroman said:I felt that the voice of the Hulk in the first film was fine />
Nice avy.Sava said:but thats the problem though, for the people outside of the comicbook world, all this would sound crap, there has to be some changes to Hulk to make him more suitable for the mainstream audience, if not, you can kiss TIH making 130mill goodbye. I'm not saying we should have a mute Hulk, they should make him talk, but only when he has something to say and not make him a one line machine. T2 was the best example of having a badass talking less yet still be effective and T3 was the best example of how to f**k it all up. Its like Ions said, Hulk is badass but if you have him talk alot or have him saying crappy lines, his effect is lost on people, they would be taken out of the moment and it would just make him look ... s**t. "Hulk smash" said at the wrong time or the wrong way would sound like the worst line ever, people wont be laughing because he said something funny, they would be laughing at him.
The "D" said:First of all...Hi, Everybody! I'm a newbie to this site, and yes I am a big HULK fan. NOW...I am one who DOESN'T want the HUlK to talk for two reasons:
1) how much can or will he REALLY say?
-Let's face it. There is only so much "HULK SMASH," "LEAVE HULK ALONE," "BETTYYY!!!", and so forth that even us hard core fan boys will put up with. We want the HULK to kick @$$, AND take names-true enough. But, we also want him (HULK/BANNER) to be taken seriously as a living, breathing being on screen. I think the more silent presence of the inner conflict does this justice.
2) Will the HULK speaking make a strong enough impact on the presence of the character(s)?
-Ang's approach..though a bit long-winded, and WAY to "Friod-en-like" (not sure if I spelled that right but you guys get the point) was, in my opinion, appreciated. The moments when the HUlK stared at Betty, grimaced at Ross or his Father, or when he would just "smash" something-said volumes about the HULK's emotional states. Putting words to it would have deminished the appeal and connection between HULK's rage and Banner's frailty,once more in my humble opinion.
In short, actions, or the lack there of, can speak ALOT louder than words. Then again...I'd love to hear the HULK scream out "HULK SMASH" before kicking the Abomination's @$$ into kingdom come!
You do realise I was talking about cinema wise? Deadpool isn't in a movie yet.DACMAN said:I've got two words for you, well.... actually one word consisting of two words put together to form a name
Deadpool
And I don't want the HULK to be a chatter box. Just talk a little so we get the idea that he and Banner are two totally different beings. Yes, I would like to hear him refer to himself as HULK.
Yeah, I already know how you feel on it. I'm just making a point as to why my opinion seemed like a hypocritical statement when I wasn't actually doing that. Seeing as I got to enjoy some of Hulk on screen... way better than being left with...well you've seen the X-men movies.Cracker Jack said:For the most part, yes it was The Hulk. The only thing that I've really complained about him were the changes to his origin and the growing. The movie it self is a different story. It's just not my taste in movies. And the partaking dad thing....oh well I'll leave it at that.
Of course Avi knows, but he seems more of a cheerleader than a creative moderating force(look at Ultimate Avengers, Marvel run property, to the poor moderation on the comic properties). From your point of view, he didn't help the first Hulk any did he? Why would things be different now?Cracker Jack said:Avi is a die hard comic fan. I think he knew about Rick. Ions, do you honestly believe that Marvel couldn't use their own character in a Marvel movie? If they wanted to they could have found a way.
I'll give you that one, I hadn't read much about it(or that it was set in modern times). Just checked the art on the page you linked. Which looked like a child had taken some photos and played around with photoshop effects when the artists weren't looking. p.s. I hate that Hulk design to.Cracker Jack said:MYTHOS: HULK is a retelling of the origin and earliest days of the gamma-powered titan, updated and reimagined by Paul Jenkins and Paolo Rivera!
It takes place now. So I don't think Igor is a Cold War spy. I'm not sure though. What I was getting at is here's an example of how it could be done in todays climate. And how I wish Ang would have gone this way.
I agree. This feels like a pretty sad way to suck up to people at the press event. Fixing something that's not broken. Sad, that's how I see this film going though. Rushing hard towards the tv show. I hope it blows up in their face. I wanna see Hulk damn it!Retroman said:Lou Ferrigno voicing Hulk.
The fanboy in me should be delighted but i'm not for some reason.Maybe its because i feel they're doing this as some pr stunt or something. I felt that the voice of the Hulk in the first film was fine so i see no need for it really.
'Puny human!'
Ions said:I agree. This feels like a pretty sad way to suck up to people at the press event. Fixing something that's not broken. Sad, that's how I see this film going though. Rushing hard towards the tv show. I hope it blows up in their face. I wanna see Hulk damn it!
[Ions sighs]
Ions said:...well you've seen the X-men movies. .
Ions said:Of course Avi knows, but he seems more of a cheerleader than a creative moderating force(look at Ultimate Avengers, Marvel run property, to the poor moderation on the comic properties). From your point of view, he didn't help the first Hulk any did he? Why would things be different now?.
Ions said:I'll give you that one, I hadn't read much about it(or that it was set in modern times). Just checked the art on the page you linked. Which looked like a child had taken some photos and played around with photoshop effects when the artists weren't looking. p.s. I hate that Hulk design to.
If making good films was that easy why aren't there more? Just wanting it to be good is different from actually making it good.Cracker Jack said:Well, not knowing who did what on Hulk it's hard to say if he helped or not. It's possible that they were so enamored with Ang Lee that they just kinda let him run with it. As to why it would be different now? I think his bum is on the line.
Yeah. I don't like the art and that version of the Hulk at all. I'm a Sal B guy
I can agree with most of that. Have you been reading "Planet HULK"? I think they could have that edge with him in the film.Ions said:You do realise I was talking about cinema wise? Deadpool isn't in a movie yet.
And again in movies the stand out antihero's don't talk much. And when they do it's usually direct piece of (very cool)dialogue. In Fistful of Dollars originally there was a back story for Clint's "Joe". But Clint persuaded Sergio Leone to cut a large amount of his dialogue. Which in the end made him a very cool character. Less = more. Especially for anti heroes. Usually the more you know about them the less interesting they are.