I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[Head>On<Collider]

Ladies and Gentlemen, come July 8th, "Dino" will not only be known as a name for Fred Flintstone's pet.

 

[Ratcrawler]

What a clever thing to say!

True too, I hope.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Ladies and Gentlemen, come July 8th, "Dino" will not only be known as a name for Fred Flintstone's pet.

The more I see about this "Doom" the more I feel like Emporer Palpatine in "The Empire Stikes Back": "Everything proceeds exactly as I have forseen."

Unfortunatly, I forsaw unforgivable crap.

 

[Herr Logan]

The more I see about this "Doom" the more I feel like Emporer Palpatine in "The Empire Stikes Back": "Everything proceeds exactly as I have forseen."

Unfortunatly, I forsaw unforgivable crap.

Heh!

 

[HighVoltage]

The more I see about this "Doom" the more I feel like Emporer Palpatine in "The Empire Stikes Back": "Everything proceeds exactly as I have forseen."

I think that line is from "Return of the Jedi".

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

OOPS! you're right! Does this mean I have to turn in my Official Fan Boy Card?
*clutches card desperatly*

 

[Sardaukar]

OOPS! you're right! Does this mean I have to turn in my Official Fan Boy Card?
*clutches card desperatly*

I turned in mine months ago.

 

[Iron Maiden]

Well, let's through something new in the mix....

Marvel Editor in Chief Joe Quesada had his customary "Cup of Joe" meeting at the Wizard Con held this weekend in Philadephia. Among the FF related titles announced for this fall were the return of Dan Slott's She-Hulk, a Thing solo series also by Slott, a Fantastic Four: First Family series plus....

An updated origin of Doctor Doom called "Book of Doom" - - a six part limited series beginning in October written by Ed Brubaker and art by Marvel newcomer Pablo Raimondi. I'm all for a more detailed origin but one wonders if Brubaker will lean towards the staying faithful to the Lee/Kirby version or will elements from the movie be merged into the comics.

In any case, I'm loving this cover from the first issue - - classic Doom

 

[Jager X]

it would have been great if they used that armor for the movie.look how massive and dominating doom looks in that book cover.that is something to truly marvel at.

 

[Herr Logan]

"An updated origin of Doctor Doom called "Book of Doom"?

"An updated origin of Doctor Doom called "Book of Doom"??

That's it. "Wolverine" is now the only Marvel Book I will buy. Everything in between will be a random Batman comic just to ease my conscious about reading several comics in the store without paying. I'm just about done with these a$$holes.

 

[Iron Maiden]

"An updated origin of Doctor Doom called "Book of Doom"?

"An updated origin of Doctor Doom called "Book of Doom"??

That's it. "Wolverine" is now the only Marvel Book I will buy. Everything in between will be a random Batman comic just to ease my conscious about reading several comics in the store without paying. I'm just about done with these a$$holes.

Whew,.... I'm glad I caught you on a good day.

I am willing to give it a shot at least. Whether we agree or not I think there are some elements of Doom's origin that could be updated without treading on Lee/Kirby hallowed ground. There's plenty of gaps that could be filled in. We might see more of the relationship between his parents for example. Roger Stern did an excellent job expanding on Doom's origin in the "Triumph and Torment" graphic novel. For example, you get the impression that Cynthia was the more impetuous of the two, a quality that led to her eventual downfall and something Victor inherits from her. I also liked the part where his father repeatedly tried to get rid of his wife's trunk full of arcana that Victor would find later after his father is killed - - an interesting way to show that Victor's dabbling into the dark side was unavoidable. Mephisto had designs on him almost from his infancy. All of these things Roger Stern added served to flesh out the Lee/Kirby origin. I don't think any Doom fans would disgree with any of it. So maybe Brubaker can do the same - - I'm not all that familiar with his work though so I might be whistling in the wind.

 

[Herr Logan]

Whew,.... I'm glad I caught you on a good day.

You didn't. The last several days have been terrible. I don't see why this one should be any different. Anyway, it's not like I'd blame you for this terrible thing that's happened. Unless you were in on it...

I am willing to give it a shot at least. Whether we agree or not I think there are some elements of Doom's origin that could be updated without treading on Lee/Kirby hallowed ground. There's plenty of gaps that could be filled in. We might see more of the relationship between his parents for example. Roger Stern did an excellent job expanding on Doom's origin in the "Triumph and Torment" graphic novel. For example, you get the impression that Cynthia was the more impetuous of the two, a quality that led to her eventual downfall and something Victor inherits from her. I also liked the part where his father repeatedly tried to get rid of his wife's trunk full of arcana that Victor would find later after his father is killed - - an interesting way to show that Victor's dabbling into the dark side was unavoidable. Mephisto had designs on him almost from his infancy. All of these things Roger Stern added served to flesh out the Lee/Kirby origin. I don't think any Doom fans would disgree with any of it. So maybe Brubaker can do the same - - I'm not all that familiar with his work though so I might be whistling in the wind.

Thanks for the info, darlin'.

 

[Sardaukar]

Oh man, if they start ****ing comic book Doom up with that movie ****, I will have officially lost faith.

 

[Ratcrawler]

""An updated origin of Doctor Doom called "Book of Doom"??

That's it. "Wolverine" is now the only Marvel Book I will buy. Everything in between will be a random Batman comic just to ease my conscious about reading several comics in the store without paying. I'm just about done with these a$$holes."

Dude, no offense, but you're like the most bothered fanboy I've ever met...on a forum... I know there infinitely whinier fanboys out there and I sure don't wanna sound condescending (sP?) but there are better things to be pissed off at. You remind me of myself around election time last year. I developed an interest in politics only to come back to the realization I knew back when I didn't give a crap; people are gullible sheep who will allow themselves to be doomed by idiots if they are promoted well enough. I imagine Doom and Wolverine mean the world to you, but remember, comic book characters will always be in some kind of flux which will allow them to go on as long as the industry exists and be subjugated to crappy art and rediculous storylines. As far as your concerned, they'll never be as good as you remember so it's up to you to deal with it. Drop the whole thing or roll with the punches.

Finally, if what I've said just sounds the random, cliche BS sPewed out by someone who should stick to ogling the art of J. Scott Campbell and Michael Turner and be banned giving advice, let me just leave you with the condensed version. Two little words that have served me well over the years; Hakuna Matata.

 

[Herr Logan]

""An updated origin of Doctor Doom called "Book of Doom"??

That's it. "Wolverine" is now the only Marvel Book I will buy. Everything in between will be a random Batman comic just to ease my conscious about reading several comics in the store without paying. I'm just about done with these a$$holes."

Dude, no offense, but you're like the most bothered fanboy I've ever met...on a forum... I know there infinitely whinier fanboys out there and I sure don't wanna sound condescending (sP?) but there are better things to be pissed off at. You remind me of myself around election time last year. I developed an interest in politics only to come back to the realization I knew back when I didn't give a crap; people are gullible sheep who will allow themselves to be doomed by idiots if they are promoted well enough. I imagine Doom and Wolverine mean the world to you, but remember, comic book characters will always be in some kind of flux which will allow them to go on as long as the industry exists and be subjugated to crappy art and rediculous storylines. As far as your concerned, they'll never be as good as you remember so it's up to you to deal with it. Drop the whole thing or roll with the punches.

Finally, if what I've said just sounds the random, cliche BS sPewed out by someone who should stick to ogling the art of J. Scott Campbell and Michael Turner and be banned giving advice, let me just leave you with the condensed version. Two little words that have served me well over the years; Hakuna Matata.

Advice? What you've said is a calculated insult wrapped in a hald-assed, dishonest facade of concern. I'm so disgusted by your presumptuousness and superficiality that I'm not going to give you the fight you're deliberately trying to start with me. Piss off, Ratcrawler. You're beneath me.

 

[Joe Rockhead]

"An updated origin of Doctor Doom called "Book of Doom"?

"An updated origin of Doctor Doom called "Book of Doom"??

That's it. "Wolverine" is now the only Marvel Book I will buy. Everything in between will be a random Batman comic just to ease my conscious about reading several comics in the store without paying. I'm just about done with these a$$holes.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!

You're so upset that they're redefining Doom's origin, yet again...but that won't stop you from reading Wolverine.

Priceless...truly priceless.

There was a time that I enjoyed Wolverine...but it seems like Marvel can't sell a comic unless he's featured on the cover. Might as well just rename Marvel "Wolverine and Pals".

 

[dos_acoustic]

"An updated origin of Doctor Doom called "Book of Doom"?

"An updated origin of Doctor Doom called "Book of Doom"??

That's it. "Wolverine" is now the only Marvel Book I will buy. Everything in between will be a random Batman comic just to ease my conscious about reading several comics in the store without paying. I'm just about done with these a$$holes.

I know how you feel man...thats why i never pick up anything unless it is the original or a reprint from the 60's...Im so sick of this so called " modernization " or my fav characters...I dont understand why it is needed...when they make a movie about Jesus why dont they feel the need to " modernize " him? Give him a backwards hat, sun glasses, and hip lingo. Would that offend christians? Well it offends me to see great characters reduced to shadows of their true selves...

 

[Iron Maiden]

Okay, settle down guys or do I have to stop the car !! (gee, my Dad used to say that a lot)
Now that I have stirred things up a bit, here is an excellent interview with Ed Brubaker by Matt Brady over at Newsarama where he talks at length about the Book of Doom project.

The Doom POV: Ed Brubaker on the Book of Doom

I just got so stoked when I read this quote:

And given that the story is told from Doom’s point of view, he’s not evil, really, Brubaker said. “He's just the smartest and most arrogant person in the world, a man who the world has tried to break since his birth, but who has never given in, but he’s not evil,” Brubaker said. “He feels he's got a destiny, and it's something that drives him, and makes him more important than other people. Like I said, I'm writing this as if it's this giant twisted tragedy, so you watch him going from an innocent kid to the ultimate tyrant. It's a lot of fun, and deeper than most people would expect from something like this, I think. It's a mental journey, and I'm trying to give it the weight of a novel or something like Citizen Kane. Not that it'll be as good as Citizen Kane, but why not swing for the fences, right?”

That said, Brubaker has assembled a key list of inspirations to pull from on The Book of Doom - along with Orson Welles: “Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Chekhov, Shakespeare, pretty much in that order.”

-- from Newsarama​

To paraphrase... By George, I think he's got it! I love that he has decided to tell things from Victor's point of view and has decided to augment, not alter, what is already out there about Doom. And I hope this will undo some of the damage done to the character by Mark Waid. While I liked his take on the FF themselves, I had some reservations about his Doom. He wanted the reader to make sure Doom was Evil with a capital E and I think he went a bit too far with the brutality. I particularly disagreed about his cold blooded murder of Valeria, for instance. She got far worse treatment than any of Doom's worst enemies!

 

[Will]

Before you people jump the gun about Brubaker changing or updating his origin just look at the bolded parts from Newsarama:

As Brubaker said, the story of the six-issue miniseries will be the life story of Victor Von Doom, starting appropriately enough, just prior to his birth, with issue #6 wrapping just before he takes the throne of Latveria. “Each chapter covers a different period in his life, told mostly through his own words,” Brubaker said. “So, we'll see his time in college with Reed and Ben, and his formative years when the Fantastic Four first appear. This is a real world from Doom's point of view story, though, and he's the sympathetic lead, well…as much as he can be.”

While Brubaker knows that a lot has been written about Doom in his 60+ years, The Book of Doom isn’t about re-writing continuity, or juggling things to make every divergent story somehow fit. “I took all the research about Doom's life before the armor we could find, and studied it all, all about his mother delving into the black arts and conjuring demons, all the stories we all know so well, and I just built a big narrative around it all. So, this is sort of like the, ‘If you've never read Doom's life story this is all you need to know’ book. It's very new reader friendly, but there's a lot of new stuff in here, as well, and I do think I've found an angle that no one else has really explored in much depth, yet. I won't reveal what it is, but it really excited me when I realized it had never been touched on - this huge part of the tragedy of Victor's formative years that shaped him and made him what he would become. It was so obvious, too, that it just leapt out at me.”

This is an excellent chance for readers of new and old to see how Doom came to be. They certainly have my money.

The cover image looks pretty damn cool, and I know it's his older classic armor but I can't but help think that the armor shown there looks so low tech compared to how it looked under Salvador Larroca and a few other recent more high tech renditions. They kept all the trademark stuff but made it look less simplistic and more like a complicated battlesuit than merely a suit knight'ish looking armor.

 

[Obi-Ron]

“He feels he's got a destiny, and it's something that drives him, and makes him more important than other people. Like I said, I'm writing this as if it's this giant twisted tragedy, so you watch him going from an innocent kid to the ultimate tyrant."

Yippee! That sounds so wizard!

 

[Herr Logan]

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!

You're so upset that they're redefining Doom's origin, yet again...but that won't stop you from reading Wolverine.

Priceless...truly priceless.

There was a time that I enjoyed Wolverine...but it seems like Marvel can't sell a comic unless he's featured on the cover. Might as well just rename Marvel "Wolverine and Pals".

Uh huh. Yeah, when I said "Wolverine," that's referring to the comic book entitled "Wolverine," not any damn comic that featues him on the cover. You remember how he has his own title and therefore is never over-exposed within its pages?

Nobody's more aware of how over-exposed and misused Wolverine has been by Marvel for the last decade or so than I am. I'm talking about one single comic book written by Mark Millar and illustrated by John Romita Jr. Think before you speak, and stop deluding yourself with regard to your opinions having any worth. The only time I ever remember you saying anything the least bit intelligent was when you argued Reed Richard's biology with Dragon, and that wasn't very long ago at all. Maybe you should stick to that, because nobody has any use for your condescending cackling. Filth.

 

[Herr Logan]

I know how you feel man...thats why i never pick up anything unless it is the original or a reprint from the 60's...Im so sick of this so called " modernization " or my fav characters...I dont understand why it is needed...when they make a movie about Jesus why dont they feel the need to " modernize " him? Give him a backwards hat, sun glasses, and hip lingo. Would that offend christians? Well it offends me to see great characters reduced to shadows of their true selves...

Exactly. It's disgusting and I've pretty much had it with Marvel.

 

[Herr Logan]

Okay, settle down guys or do I have to stop the car !! (gee, my Dad used to say that a lot)
Now that I have stirred things up a bit, here is an excellent interview with Ed Brubaker by Matt Brady over at Newsarama where he talks at length about the Book of Doom project.

The Doom POV: Ed Brubaker on the Book of Doom

I just got so stoked when I read this quote:

And given that the story is told from Doom’s point of view, he’s not evil, really, Brubaker said. “He's just the smartest and most arrogant person in the world, a man who the world has tried to break since his birth, but who has never given in, but he’s not evil,” Brubaker said. “He feels he's got a destiny, and it's something that drives him, and makes him more important than other people. Like I said, I'm writing this as if it's this giant twisted tragedy, so you watch him going from an innocent kid to the ultimate tyrant. It's a lot of fun, and deeper than most people would expect from something like this, I think. It's a mental journey, and I'm trying to give it the weight of a novel or something like Citizen Kane. Not that it'll be as good as Citizen Kane, but why not swing for the fences, right?”

That said, Brubaker has assembled a key list of inspirations to pull from on The Book of Doom - along with Orson Welles: “Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Chekhov, Shakespeare, pretty much in that order.”

-- from Newsarama​

To paraphrase... By George, I think he's got it! I love that he has decided to tell things from Victor's point of view and has decided to augment, not alter, what is already out there about Doom. And I hope this will undo some of the damage done to the character by Mark Waid. While I liked his take on the FF themselves, I had some reservations about his Doom. He wanted the reader to make sure Doom was Evil with a capital E and I think he went a bit too far with the brutality. I particularly disagreed about his cold blooded murder of Valeria, for instance. She got far worse treatment than any of Doom's worst enemies!

That sounds a bit better. I'm not going to make the mistake of believing any pretty words anyone from Marvel has to say, but I'll check it out and see if Brubaker has more integrity than the rest of Marvel's writers currently.

 

[Will]

That sounds a bit better. I'm not going to make the mistake of believing any pretty words anyone from Marvel has to say, but I'll check it out and see if Brubaker has more integrity than the rest of Marvel's writers currently.

Considering the fact that he's made Captain America one of the best titles out there, did some really good work with Gotham Central and Batman: The Man Who Laughs I think the man has integrity in spades.

 

[Herr Logan]

Considering the fact that he's made Captain America one of the best titles out there, did some really good work with Gotham Central and Batman: The Man Who Laughs I think the man has integrity in spades.

Excellent. I hope he doesn't trash his record with this Doom project.