I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[Valorman]

Jesus Everybody Get Into The Shelter Hes Gona Get Nuked

 

[Manic]

In order to use Dr. Doom in a movie, they really only had 3 choices:

1. Place him in the Four's origin movie, having him share their origin in some way due to time constraints.
2. Place him in the Four's origin movie with his original comic book origin. Since we all know FOX wouldn't want the movie to be too long, his story would be given the shaft-- so even if it was accurate, it'd just look like rushed crap.
3. Give him his original origin, but don't use it in the same movie as the Four's origin. His origin is so massive, it'd need his own movie, most likely F4's sequel.

-They chose option #1.
-We wanted option #2, even though Corman showed us that it couldn't work.
-We'd probably prefer #3, but then we'd have to be given someone like Puppetmaster in the first film. That, or the first movie would barely cover the Four's own origin.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I am not showing any disrespect to comic Doom but I am saying that it should stay in the comics. The movie is taking the characters and putting them on screen in a realistic sense and Doom's comic origin on screen would have just been laughable...i'm sorry.

 

[Sardaukar]

In order to use Dr. Doom in a movie, they really only had 3 choices:

1. Place him in the Four's origin movie, having him share their origin in some way due to time constraints.

They could have easily done that and still made him more faithful.

 

[Sardaukar]

I am not showing any disrespect to comic Doom but I am saying that it should stay in the comics. The movie is taking the characters and putting them on screen in a realistic sense and Doom's comic origin on screen would have just been laughable...i'm sorry.

No one disputes the need for change.

It's the quality of the change that is in dispute.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

They could have easily done that and still made him more faithful.

How so?

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

No one disputes the need for change.

It's the quality of the change that is in dispute.

I would like to hear how you would have made it even better.

 

[The Question]

All the movie is doing is giveing Doom powers and makeing the accident that disfuigured him the same accident that gave the four their powers. That's really not too much of a change. It's essentially the same thing but connected to the FF.

 

[Sardaukar]

How so?

The FF gets powers. Why does he have to get them? There would be no reason why he couldn't have avoided the cosmic rays somehow.

Why does he have to be in a relationship with Sue Storm? In Daredevil, Kingpin wasn't in love with Elektra. In Superman, Lex Luthor wasn't in love with Lois Lane. In Batman Begins, Crane wasn't in love with Rachael.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

The FF gets powers. Why does he have to get them? There would be no reason why he couldn't have avoided the cosmic rays somehow.

Why does he have to be in a relationship with Sue Storm? In Daredevil, Kingpin wasn't in love with Elektra. In Superman, Lex Luthor wasn't in love with Lois Lane. In Batman Begins, Crane wasn't in love with Rachael.

Haha...that is no good sorry. The time frame is a factor but also the ridiculous level. How would you give Doom his super strength without making it laughable. Sorry but a suit that gives him strength is too cheesy and belongs in the comics. The metal that takes over his body strenghtens his muscles and bones which makes its logical why he would have strength.

As for the relationship...I heard from Lightning that it is really toned down from what we originally heard it was like.

 

[Dragon]

I have thought about this and I have come to this conclusion. Doom's movie origin is 10 times better than his comic book origin. I hear some crying and complaining that it isn't faithful but faithful does not always great. His comic book origin is not believable, ridiculous, and unrealistic. His movie origin is believable and much better in the sense that he has a closer connection to the Fantasatic Four and a BETTER reason for being Doctor Doom. Does anyone else feel the same as me?

 

[Sardaukar]

Haha...that is no good sorry. The time frame is a factor but also the ridiculous level. How would you give Doom his super strength without making it laughable. Sorry but a suit that gives him strength is too cheesy and belongs in the comics. The metal that takes over his body strenghtens his muscles and bones which makes its logical why he would have strength.

Okay, let me get this straight....

You're fine with cosmic rays giving people the ability to stretch, turn invisible and start on ****ing fire and fly.

And yet you're worried about something that is conceivably within the realm of possibility?


Just to add...

Exoskeletons may one day give U.S. soldiers a crucial advantage as warfare becomes increasingly urban, says Ephrahim Garcia, manager of the new DARPA program. Since troops are less able to use their armored vehicles to fight in confined urban battlefields, military planners want to fasten the armor, heavy weapons, and advanced electronics onto the foot soldiers themselves. Without heavy-duty mechanical support from something like an exoskeleton, however, people would collapse under the load.



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Looking at these and other developments in exoskeleton-related technology, Garcia believes that "all this combined together makes this a good time" to try again for the complete package. "We're going to take some of these technologies that are almost ready . . . and push them over the edge," he says. The result may be some formidable prototype machines. Garcia says his current goal is to equip a soldier with an exoskeleton that will make him or her 3 to 10 times stronger than without it. Fighters would smoothly wield 50-kg weapons while simultaneously wearing 20 kg of armor.

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Compared with a currently equipped U.S. marine, who is required to march 4 kilometers per hour carrying as much as 50 kilograms of equipment, an exoskeleton-equipped marine would be able to move about three times that fast while carrying more than double the load, Garcia predicts. The leatherneck exoskeleton would probably cost no more than the price of a motorcycle, he adds.

Personal flying machines

The leap from today's technology to an exoskeleton meeting Garcia's goals is a huge one. Among the three DARPA contractors working on exoskeletons for ground troops—Kazerooni's lab, Jacobson's operation at Sarcos, and Oak Ridge's robotics group—only Kazerooni's team has actually demonstrated a powered exoskeleton.

Millennium Jet in Sunnyvale, Calif., which is also receiving DARPA funds, is well under way with developing a personal flying machine known as Solo Trek XFV (see below). The vehicle is a one-person device but not a wearable exoskeleton.

To build a system in which a robot shadows every move a person makes is a complex undertaking. After detecting the motion and gauging its speed and force, the robot must translate those readings into a parallel motion by some of its components. All the while, other exoskeleton components have to adjust to maintain the system's balance.

Gravity, friction, thermal effects, sensor errors, and other subtle influences play into the human-robot interactions. Managing it all requires sophisticated mathematical models based on fundamental physics and control theory that builders must program into the machinery, says Oak Ridge's Pin. The researchers at all the DARPA-funded labs are creating these models as they go.

Neither such a computer program nor the motions of an exoskeleton itself have to be off by much to cause the wearer discomfort or fatigue, says Jacobsen. Less than 2 kg of misplaced weight on a person's arm, for instance, can wear a person out in just 10 minutes or so, he says.

Bigger errors may be dangerous. Industrial robots sometimes injure or kill people who stray too close. Powerful exoskeletons will be embracing their wearers when something goes wrong, Pin notes.

Countless challenges to exoskeleton designers involve such details as framework materials, actuators, and sensors, plus the heat, noise, and weight of each of these components. Nothing looms larger, however, than the need for a compact, portable, and ample source of power. Not only do the mechanical motions of the exoskeleton and its various control systems draw a lot of power, but soldiers are increasingly outfitted with computerized communications and information gadgetry that also drinks up energy. Garcia has hired several analysts specifically to investigate this issue.

As a group, the DARPA contractors are pursuing several innovative solutions for powering exoskeletons. These include chemical reactors, a coffee-cup-size turbine that whirls a half-million revolutions per minute, miniaturized internal combustion engines, and fuel cells that feed supercapacitors that can release power in bursts. Each offers its own advantages and disadvantages.

Internal combustion engines and some chemical reactors, for instance, run hot and so will require extra insulation to protect the wearer. Says Garcia, "If you can't do the power, everything else is, in some sense, academic."

Control theories

Using a relatively heavy gasoline engine, as Kazerooni has done with his leggy Lee, is clearly not the way to power an exoskeleton. Equipped with a fuel tank that holds about 1 liter, the engine runs Lee for only about 15 minutes. Then, as the power dies, another flaw of the Berkeley group's first exoskeleton becomes obvious. Unless someone races to scoot a chair under the wearer, the suddenly burdensome load will bring him helplessly to the ground.

Perhaps the worst strike against the prototype is that it "imposes constraints on the person, like a tight shoe or like clothes that aren't comfortable to you," confesses Kazerooni.

Yet making even a crude device that can pull its own weight provides the Berkeley team with an important confirmation. "It verified some of our control theories, which shows we are going in the right direction," Kazerooni says.

Even as the research teams work out the early details of their exoskeleton designs, some of the investigators are looking beyond this round of experimentation. Kazerooni, for one, anticipates that exoskeletons of the future will be "invasive"—not just worn but partially implanted within a person's musculature and nervous system. Jacobsen says he's thinking in the opposite direction—about putting more human nature into the machines. His idea is to build an exoskeleton intelligent enough to take care of the soldier wearing it. If the human trooper is badly wounded, the machine would say to itself, in effect, "Take this guy home."

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20010630/bob8.asp

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Okay, let me get this straight....

You're fine with cosmic rays giving people the ability to stretch, turn invisible and start on ****ing fire and fly.

And yet you're worried about something that is conceivably within the realm of possibility?

Seriously. You would rather Doom build a suit that gives him his strength? It is not just I think it is too unrealistic but the so cheesy I would just groan if I saw that. And I am perfectly fine with cosmic rays giving them their powers...including Doom. Why are you okay with them getting affected by the storm and not Doom?

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I would like to see Doom don the armor for the sequel for faithful reasons and for it to be used as an extra layer of protection. But I love the Doom origin I am getting and for the sequel he will be closer to the comic version which will be the right time to do it.

 

[Sardaukar]

Seriously. You would rather Doom build a suit that gives him his strength?

Yes.

It is not just I think it is too unrealistic but the so cheesy I would just groan if I saw that.

Then you'd better write Marvel and tell them to hold off on an Iron Man movie.

And I am perfectly fine with cosmic rays giving them their powers...including Doom. Why are you okay with them getting affected by the storm and not Doom?

Because I respect an enemy who gives himself powers more than one who gets them by accident.

 

[Manic]

I would like to see Doom don the armor for the sequel for faithful reasons and for it to be used as an extra layer of protection.

I liked to see that, but then it'd just be unbelievably unnecessary. From what I've seen in the commercials alone, a suit of armor would only hold him back.

I've always been a little apathetic to the fact that he turns into metal in this movie. Whether he's a normal person wearing a metal suit or a metal man, it's all the same crap. His strength is augmented, and he's highly durable. It's not like he ever took off the metal armor in the comics, anyway. And on the plus side, he doesn't look like an evil Power Ranger.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Because I respect an enemy who gives himself powers more than one who gets them by accident.

He gets them by accident...yes. But later on he EMBRACES it. And from what I hear in the sequel he will fully embrace it and build from it.

 

[lockjaw]

And on the plus side, he doesn't look like an evil Power Ranger.

. . .so true, so true

 

[ang_hulk]

I agree,the ultimate influence in the film is essential for doom,where his powers come from and so on.

 

[4NutzinYoface]

I am with Red to some extent. While I am sure that Doctor Dooms comic book origin is cool (I vaugely know the details from old comics and stuff I've seen in magazines and on the Animated TV Series) I do believe that I am completley satisfied with Doctor Dooms movie origin.

From everything that I have seen the movie version of Doctor Doom just SCREAMS coolness! I am LOVING that organic metal or whathaveyou that grows on his skin...it's unreal! Coupled with the fact he can shoot awesome electrical blasts out of his hands and generate power beyond belief he is a wicked bad guy.

 

[Sardaukar]

He gets them by accident...yes. But later on he EMBRACES it.

Anybody could get pelted by cosmic rays and gladly use those powers to do evil.

It's just not very impressive to me.

And from what I hear in the sequel he will fully embrace it and build from it.

I don't think there will be a sequel.

 

[Sardaukar]

Coupled with the fact he can shoot awesome electrical blasts out of his hands and generate power beyond belief he is a wicked bad guy.

And comic book Doom could do that plus a million other things...

Wouldn't that have looked cool.

 

[Sentinel X]

But if the comic book Doom couldve done that then why the hell didnt he make an invention to destroy the world by now!?...You have all these cool unusual gadgets and cantbomb a damn city.

 

[Sardaukar]

But if the comic book Doom couldve done that then why the hell didnt he make an invention to destroy the world by now!?...You have all these cool unusual gadgets and cantbomb a damn city.

Simple answer?

Because he's a villain. They don't win. No matter what.

 

[Sentinel X]

Okay maybe youre one of the older fans but just imagine if this was how the FF was a while back and the original way Doom was is what it is now---Now do you see how great the movie adaptation of Doom is. Even if you dont Doom is still Doom and I think both versions of him are really really cool and one of the best villains out there in any comic book geek's list.