I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[RedIsNotBlue]

Is that even online? I haven't seen it.

 

[Herr Logan]

Its from the preview of the new Kong trailer

Preview of the trailer? A preview of the God damn trailer?? What in God's green Hell has the movie marketing industry come to??!

Time was, a preview and a trailer were the same thing, and you'd see it right after the newsreel finished at the local cinema. Then you'd hide under your seats in case the Germans were a-comin' in their planes overhead...

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

As much as I'm disgusted with what they've done with movie Doom (as well as the plebeians that continue to childishly defend that decision), very little in this world could be worse than what you just wrote about the bat.

The only childish one I see around here is you making insults as if your higher above people who have a different opinion than you.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Preview of the trailer? A preview of the God damn trailer?? What in God's green Hell has the movie marketing industry come to??!

Time was, a preview and a trailer were the same thing, and you'd see it right after the newsreel finished at the local cinema. Then you'd hide under your seats in case the Germans were a-comin' in their planes overhead...

lol My friend you are on fine form today
its the advert from one of the TV networks promoting the debut of the trailer on their channel this monday

 

[Hunter Rider]

Is that even online? I haven't seen it.

you can D/l the ten second clips here

http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0RIMQKRHHZVTR1TCCZXRUGAXGL


http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3OV0O3TPSX44U338B84A3BMOXA

 

[Herr Logan]

The only childish one I see around here is you making insults as if your higher above people who have a different opinion than you.

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*exasperated choking sound*

If you paid any attention to what I've been saying during my more drawn-out rants on these boards, you'd see this isn't a matter of just "differing opinions," but the specific content of those opinions.

Good lord... I mean, even if it was while insulting me that you actually said something that wasn't shallow, trite and meaningless, that would be progress. It's like you're like a talking wind-up toy manufactured by Marvel Enterprises. I mean, it doesn't take much to make me depressed, but you're killin' me here.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

you can D/l the ten second clips here

http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0RIMQKRHHZVTR1TCCZXRUGAXGL


http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3OV0O3TPSX44U338B84A3BMOXA

Thanks! I hope Black takes this role seriously.

 

[Hunter Rider]

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*exasperated choking sound*

If you paid any attention to what I've been saying during my more drawn-out rants on these boards, you'd see this isn't a matter of just "differing opinions," but the specific content of those opinions.

Good lord... I mean, even if it was while insulting me that you actually said something that wasn't shallow, trite and meaningless, that would be progress. It's like you're like a talking wind-up toy manufactured by Marvel Enterprises. I mean, it doesn't take much to make me depressed, but you're killin' me here.

I shall clarify,Herr doesnt have a problem with ppl liking movie Doom or accepting hi,he just gets pissed when ppl try to claim that the changes arent there and that there wasnt another feasible way to do it more faith fully

Right Herr ??

 

[Herr Logan]

lol My friend you are on fine form today
its the advert from one of the TV networks promoting the debut of the trailer on their channel this monday

Thank ye kindly, Hunter.

Seriously, doesn't it seem ridiculous that we actually have previews for previews? What kind of audience is salivating at a pre-preview that they would even release something like that??
I don't know whether to be happy that other people's lives are apparently as empty as mine feels much of the time, or just even more disillusioned.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

As much as I'm disgusted with what they've done with movie Doom (as well as the plebeians that continue to childishly defend that decision)

That is an insult towards me...sorry.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Thank ye kindly, Hunter.

Seriously, doesn't it seem ridiculous that we actually have previews for previews? What kind of audience is salivating at a pre-preview that they would even release something like that??
I don't know whether to be happy that other people's lives are apparently as empty as mine feels much of the time, or just even more disillusioned.

I think on this occasion it is all buissness,the Channels are trying to draw aduiences with the debut of the full 2.30 min trailer or on Monday
If it makes you feel any better i was quite giddy over those 10 second clips

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I shall clarify,Herr doesnt have a problem with ppl liking movie Doom or accepting hi,he just gets pissed when ppl try to claim that the changes arent there and that there wasnt another feasible way to do it more faith fully

Right Herr ??

Oh my god. This getting frustrating repeating myself. I will write it all in caps this time to make it clearer. I NEVER SAID THAT CHANGES ARENT THERE. I HAVE CLEARLY SAID THAT I HAVE EMBRACED THE CHANGES AND I FEEL THAT MOVIE DOOM IS BETTER ON SCREEN THAN THE COMIC DOOM COULD HAVE BEEN. AND OF COURSE THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A MORE FAITHFUL DOOM AND I BELEIVE THE MORE FAITHFUL THEY WOULD HAVE MADE HIM IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE CHEESIER AND HARDER TO ACCEPT.

Okay...I hope thats clear now.

 

[Hunter Rider]

As much as I'm disgusted with what they've done with movie Doom (as well as the plebeians that continue to childishly defend that decision)

That is an insult towards me...sorry.

i think he is refering more to those that think that it was unmanageable another way,not those that just like it for what it is,anyway im sure you 2 can sort it out

last time i bother to be peacemaker

 

[Hunter Rider]

Oh my god. This getting frustrating repeating myself. I will write it all in caps this time to make it clearer. I NEVER SAID THAT CHANGES ARENT THERE. I HAVE CLEARLY SAID THAT I HAVE EMBRACED THE CHANGES AND I FEEL THAT MOVIE DOOM IS BETTER ON SCREEN THAN THE COMIC DOOM COULD HAVE BEEN. AND OF COURSE THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A MORE FAITHFUL DOOM AND I BELEIVE THE MORE FAITHFUL THEY WOULD HAVE MADE HIM IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE CHEESIER AND HARDER TO ACCEPT.

Okay...I hope thats clear now.

hmmmm that wasnt what im was clarifying as i dont think Herr was directing the previous verbage at you....anyway nevermind

 

[Joe Rockhead]

I'm saying WE here at SHH who are having this discussion. And again the general public didn't know where things were gong with the Star Wars films. Neither did most know where things were going with LOTR. Yet the films were well made enough to keep people coming back. so the studio can "appeal' to them merely by making excellent films.

Star Wars: A New Hope was made as a standalone movie. It had elements that could be carried forward in a sequel, but without the sequels, would still be a complete movie. Lucas certainly intended to move forward with sequels, but judging by Fox's lack of confidence in the project (fear of rising costs versus expectations of returns, initial release in only 32 theaters), he made the movie so that it could stand on it's own even without the sequels being made. If he didn't structure it as such, the studio certainly wouldn't have signed off on it...they were too worried about it failing to allow that.

Any first movie is used to set up a firm foundation. So some conflict should be resolved in one movie, leaving some other things open for later development. I'm not saying all things get resolved, but some certainly must for it to be a complete film.

And they are. they learn top use their powers and function as a team. we know they're heroes and they stop Doom's first scheme.

Fair enough. Some things are settled, some are left open.

No it isn't. The group has been who it is whether Reed & Sue were together or not. There was even a point when Sue left the team, separating from Reed and the team continued. Reed and sue love each other, that's for certain and should be established. i'm just saying that they don't have to be getting married, or planning to be married or ven proposing by the end of the first film. Not if this screentime can be devoted to telling a compelling story like Doom's origin.

Even when they weren't together, their storylines continued as part of the whole. When Sue left the group, she was still part of the series. When Reed was killed off with Doom, he was still on Sue's mind.

The whole idea of leaving the marriage issue unresolved flies directly in the face of those who think that Doom MUST be the monarch of Latveria from the very beginning. There's nothing wrong with having their relationship progress to a commitment over 3 movies, but there's something wrong with Doom ascending to the throne over 3 movies?

Their marriage and having Franklin doesn't reflect character development. Those are subplots.

Subplots that involve character development. How do Reed and Sue approach the marriage? How is that accepted by Johnny and Ben? How about a pregnancy? What effect on the characters does an impending birth create?

The accident that gives them their powers is a subplot. How they react to the accident leads character development.

It has to be a good film to have any "guarantee" of success. Doom being established as a powerful villain with strong back story isn't something that would appeal exclusively to comic book fans. The FF and Doom having a strong rivalry isn't either. And certainly the general audience wants a dramatic final confrontation. Show me the movie audience that says they want a simplistic and watered down villain.

Naturally no one wants to see a watered down villain. But it's a question of perception. What you or I see as the watering down of a villain, the general public does not. What the FF fan community sees as an aberration, the general public sees differently. They're not basing their judgements on 44 years of history, they're basing it on a movie and maybe an animated series their kids watched back in '97.

 

[Dragon]

here see if this cheers you up

Now that's how you adapt a film. You look at what makes it badass and make it more badass.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

is it me or does it look like a dinosaur is in the second gif trying to get that guy?

 

[Dark Phantom]

Wait! What movies are these? I recognize King Kong, but what about the others?

 

[Kelly]

As much as I'm disgusted with what they've done with movie Doom (as well as the plebeians that continue to childishly defend that decision)

That is an insult towards me...sorry.

Yeah thats his usual one....but don't take it so personally....he's pretty much used that one on all of us...except the fact that he didn't put sheep in that one....hmmmmm....he might not be himself today.....

 

[Herr Logan]

I shall clarify,Herr doesnt have a problem with ppl liking movie Doom or accepting hi,he just gets pissed when ppl try to claim that the changes arent there and that there wasnt another feasible way to do it more faith fully

Right Herr ??

Dammit, I meant to reply to this earlier, but I got pulled away. I doubt it matters either way, since the unfavorable group of people who have such a simplistic and shallow view of what we're talking about never listen when I state my exact position and reasoning here.

In any case, yes, that's what I mean. That's not the full story, but it's enough, because like I said, it doesn't matter how many times I explain the obvious facts; very few people ever listen, and the majority of the people likely to actually pay attention have already read it all.

 

[Herr Logan]

I think on this occasion it is all buissness,the Channels are trying to draw aduiences with the debut of the full 2.30 min trailer or on Monday
If it makes you feel any better i was quite giddy over those 10 second clips

Well... they are pretty damn cool, I admit.

I just hate the principal of the thing, you know?

 

[Kelly]

Well... they are pretty damn cool, I admit.

I just hate the principal of the thing, you know?

Awwwww damn it Herr, just enjoy the damn clip....will ya????.....geeeeeezzz.....


why does everything have to be principal w/ you???......enjoy it damn it....

 

[Herr Logan]

Yeah thats his usual one....but don't take it so personally....he's pretty much used that one on all of us...except the fact that he didn't put sheep in that one....hmmmmm....he might not be himself today.....

It was a semi-good day. My fiancee and I applied for a new apartment and I'm pretty sure I've secured that crappy retail job I've been trying to get.

 

[Kelly]

It was a semi-good day. My fiancee and I applied for a new apartment and I'm pretty sure I've secured that crappy retail job I've been trying to get.

OOOOOOhhhh well then "sheep" should have been part of that rant Herr......geeeez i'm totally disappointed in you......

 

[wetgorilla]

Haven't read the whole thread, but, having read the novel, and being a big Doom fan, I can assure you they sure as **** didn't get it.

Doom is not Doom, and not just in name. In personality also. There is so little of Doom in there, it's depressing. I've discussed this so many times i've lost count. If people think he's faithful, then they don't know enough about him. Heck, if they think he's better, then they better go and read some of the great comics with Doom to see why their opinion might change pretty fast on the matter. Doom is not just a great villain, he's by and FAR the greatest villain.

Here's the old review I made about how Doom was portrayed in the book, since I have no envy to repeat myself, other than by quoting myself, of course:

Now, I had lost all hopes nearly a year ago. Having read the Frost script (which, btw, is nearly THE exact same as the newest movie, nearly nothing has changed), I was heavily disappointed by how Doom acted, his origin, and his powers. But, Lightning Strikez! gave me hopes. He's always been great doing so (and he should always continue to ) by providing us exemples as to why Doom from the movie wouldn't be THAT far away. Unfortunately, the exemples he gave were all that made Doom remotely close to his comic self.

Victor is madly in love with Sue, even if he often tries to deny it. Sure, when he goes ga-ga crazy, he begins to totally hate her, but that's something else (since he's crazy). The thing here, is that Victor, before his "accident" isn't Doom at all. Doom should always be Doom, even before his accident.

Here, he isn't. He's a ruthless businessman, who fought to be where he is, but that... isn't even CLOSE to Doom's dreams. He should see far much further than he does. When he goes crazy, he makes a reference to Leonard (his kind of secretary) about how he should think bigger. But, never (aside from here) does he ever even ATTEMP to show us (or try) to want something global, other than money and "more electricity".

Another thing. Since Doom was always Doom in the comics, he didn't think much bigger when he had his accident. He already wanted more. Here, we are led to believe that he was "human" before, but after his accident, someone acting like Doom can only be "crazy". That's what he is in the movie. A crazy metal dude. He's not a true "God among manking", he's a freak of nature that goes on a rampage, a lot like Electro himself often do. He's just NOT Doom. Thinking about it, his situation is simular to that of Norman Osborn in the first spiderman movie. Both got crazy after their accident, explaining why they were "eviiiIIiiil", which is lame, imo, since Doom was always much more than just evil. But here, that's all he is when he become "Doctor Doom"... (just the fact that he become Doctor Doom is horrible, since he should always have been himself).

And worse, much worse than all of that, he's not even HALF the scientific mind Richard his. What made Doom SUCH A GREAT villain (or heck, more than a villain) was his intellect. Here, sure, he's intelligent, manipulative, but so much less than Reed. Doom being anything less than Reed's equal (much less not even half his genius) is absolutely atrocious. Heck, Doom never does anything by himself. He always hired scientist and doctors to make his discoveries. There's even a scene (showed in the trailer), when he has to go to a doctor to know what is happening to him. MY GOD. We are talking about DOOM here. He would NEVER ask someone's else opinion, much less about his condition, when he himself could analyse it much better (alas, not here, though). For he is suppose to be DOOM. And DOOM is above all.

At the end, when he loses and become a living statue, the writers had the golden possibility to have Doom cry a last "RiiiIIIIIiiiichard". I mean, when I got there, I though it was the PERFECT PLACE. But no, instead he seems to cry a "noooooOOooooooooo" (and by all that is in the bottom of my holy rectum, I hope it's not as horrible as the one Vader cries at the end of ROTS).

I could have forgiven his relation to Sue, his mutant powers, but NOT what made him superior to all villains, his INTELLECT. That, imo, is a change I cannot forgive, which is stupid, and makes me cringe just thinking about it.

But that's not all. I won't go into his powers, and all, since we've all discussed that dozen of times here, but I want to address the Sue/Victor relationship.

It's a mess, imo. Lightning said that Doom never truly cared about Sue. Having read the book, i'd say he was wrong (sorry). Doom cared about Sue, a lot, even if he seems to want to not accept it. When she goes in Reed's arms, he is hurted a lot. But, all this really does is make Sue a bad character, imo. Really, she goes out two years with Victor. She probably fell "something" for him, for godsake. Two years. And yet, the instant Reed comes back, she runs in his arms. That, no problem here. She loved the dude even more than the old doctor. It's understandable. But, once Reed was back, she stopped caring about Victor. She didn't even noticed he existed anymore. I mean, when everything goes wrong for him, she doesn't even think about him. He could have died she wouldn't even have cared. That makes her something much closer to a bad girl (villain here) than a hero, imo. Victor goes crazy, and that's in part due to how she left him, and pull a finger on him, without no other reason than that she loved another man more. She completely left him, without even truly telling him how she truly felt about all of this. When he becomes a statue, at the very end, she's all too happy to be "discarded" of her ex-boyfriend, like some mean 16 years old adolescent on a rampage.

That's a pretty bad reason, imo. Exactly the kind of person I could never respect. That's the kind of character i'm going to root for in theatre ? Sure, i wanted the FF to win when I read the book, but not Sue. Victor could have fried her i'd have been relieved. Here's hoping Jessica Alba's so good she'll make me think otherwise.

So, Sue's a pretty messed up character here , and Doom's one of the worst adaptation possible of the greatest villain there is.

But, imo, movie Doom is still a great villain. He's easily, just after Magneto, the second best superhero movie villain. Easily. If he had been faithful, he would have took the first place without any difficulty, but oh well. A 10% faithful Doom is still better than most villains.

All in all, a month or two after writing that, when I rethink about it, I only have disgust about that awful adaptation. It's up there with CINO.

Bleh, I hate fox and marvel. Destroying the best villain there is.

If you people want to understand why Doom's such a great villain, unlike his movie counterpart, go read Secret war, or the Doom 2099 by Warren Ellis, or the three part storyarc by Chuck Dixon named "DOOM". I'd recommend those to the ones who don't know him much. Then, well, there is so much more.

This review NEEDS to be returned to the top of this thread. The character of Doom has been tipped over a sa****se and raped by this production team!

I was reading a magazine today with a small interview with Julian McMahon and Julian stated he 'studied' to play Doom by spending weeks watching horror films! How pathetic and ignorant his approach to this character was. This is just a small reflection of how the entire production approached this project. If anyone here believes Story or the rest of the crew paid much attention to the source material while deciding upon a direction for this project, you'd be giving them too much credit.

Once again, this review NEEDS to be returned to the top of this thread. Happy reading!

Wetgorilla