I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[Hunter Rider]

Well this is just me but I feel that if a young man who gets a scholarship to MIT and becomes rich, successful, and famous from no help that to me is a genius. I agree that he might not be portrayed as much of a genius as Reed,,,but he is still a genius IMO.

Has organic armor..this is correct.

His power. It seems they have changed it a good deal in post production. It barely even looks like he shoots electricity anymore. It looks more like beams of energy. I think he just uses electricity to charge up.

Hooded cloak...that is correct.

well i did say scientific genius in the first cos that is what the original doom was,the reason i didnt mention genius was i was merely listing is basic role which is runner of a corporation,i gues i couldve said buisness genius
As for the power ,well that may have changed so i could alter it to energy blasts

 

[Tony Stark]

Wow, all I can say is Union Jack nailed it on the head earlier today. He mentioned the Ultimate Fantastic Four origin of Doom. I really haven't read any of the ultimate series let alone FF, but I stopped by Barnes and Noble after work and found a graphic novel of the Ultimates, which contained something like the first 10 issues.

I now get what's going on, it looks as if the movie is combining both the Kirby vision and the ultimate FF vision of the origin story.

The Doom origin in Ultimates, mirrors the origin in the movie in almost every respect. So this stuff wasn't just made up on the fly.

After seeing this, I think this movie could possibly be the most faithful adaptation of a comic book to date.

 

[Kurosawa]

It's a "faithful" adaptation of a crap character in a crap comic.

 

[wetgorilla]

*sigh*

This is where the problem lies.

This is not the Dr. Doom movie...it's the Fantastic Four film. Now while I would've liked some things done differently with Doom, the fact is, the audiences' attention will be focused on falling in love with the F4--not their nemesis.

Unlike your opinion, I believe an audience will be searching for an original script with original characters involved in a relationship with each other that has some depth. Unfortunately they won't find it with this script. Although, they MAY be attracted to the unique character of The Thing. Notwithstanding the audiences' possible attraction to Ben, IMO they will be left feeling they've somehow, somewhere seen this storyline before.

He has been altered to become a more worthy foe in this ORIGIN film. Such changes likely would not have been the case if this had started out with everything existing as is. But it's not.

The Doom in this movie is in no reasonable viewpoint a more worthy foe. Not in this movie or any other FF plot that may have been cooked up somewhere before preproduction. IMO, none of your reasonings behind making such a statement would be supported by fact or a successful original precedence.

That said, some of you are looking for this grandiose, fleshed out Dr. Doom film here, and it's just NOT going to happen this time. And even if every detail were preserved, you'd still be b1tching because the lion's share of the film's focus would still be on the F4 and not on the monarch.

IMO, no one is looking for a Dr. Doom movie or even having Doom play a major part in this film. Somewhere down the line among the many pages of this and other threads, you've turned a blind-eye to the reasons behind what everyone is seeing to be a problem. That is, the re-tooling of a character or characters within this movie. Such changes alter the entire dynamics in and around the realationships shared by each character, leaving them familiar characters in name only!

So, it's NOT a LACK of Doom, but a complete hack of what the character is suppose to be and thus he affects the other characters by interacting with them.

Dr. Doom needs his own spin-off movie to get into the depth you guys are wishing for. Hell, we can't get into all of the FF's stuff deep enough, and yet you're griping about their enemy? Sorry...but this is not his movie. Some of these hopes are simply unrealistic.

Once again, no one is asking for Doom...just that the little bit of Doom there is, to actually resemble Doom in character. However, your method of compromise would probably have accepted anything presented under the name, The Fantastic Four!

Wetgorilla

 

[wetgorilla]

"Magically" get better? Who said I thought it was worse? Unlike some of my purist peers I recognize that this film is not being made strictly for me...but to open the public's eyes and draw them into the FF world.

This film is not drawing anyone into the FF world if what it is using to do so isn't the real FF at all. Also, wht are you more concerned with some universal FF crusade or a good FF movie? Think about the real and simple goal here.

That said, I know with something called an ADAPTATION changes will be made. Would I have preferred Classic Doom? A resounding yes, without hesitation. But this Doom will obviously appeal to a huge demographic which ensures bigger success, and more creative freedom to do things differently in the sequel.

That's the problem with your core position on things, Lightning, you're TOO MUCH concerned with a possible sequal that you would sacrafice any real quality in the first movie just to see a second made! IMO, you need to re-evaluate your position on this issue.

So no, I'm not going to write off this version of Doom as imperfect until I see him in fluid action on screen. That takes patience on my part, and that's something that some here simply do not have.

IMO, this issue doesn't involve patience, but discernment and the formulation of a stable conclusion.

Wetgorilla

 

[wetgorilla]

Let's be a little more open-minded for 2 more weeks and THEN judge.

This freak wanted people to remain open-minded as well. I guess we'd be in good company!

 

[wetgorilla]

See the difference is, despite my knowledge of F4 and Doom, I understand there is a lot more at stake here. And even if I don't agree with all of the changes made, I'm not going to sit here and continue blasting something I haven't seen. Just like I'm not going to go overboard and praise something I haven't seen.

Apparently you've quickly forgotten your statement regarding how this movie Doom is the MOST WORTHY villian and the many other like statements you've made. Come on! You've done the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you're accusing people of doing. Except for one real exception - you don't admit your slanted position.

IMO, the only one who needs a blanket to wipe away tears is yourself, Lightning. While others may be 'crying' about the Doom issue - You've been busy 'crying' about those who you accuse of 'crying'! Where's the logic in that?

Wetgorilla

 

[wetgorilla]

All I'm concerned about is whether it's good enough for me and my views of what embodies the FF, and to secure a sequel.

The Method Behind The Madness!

Wetgorilla

 

[wetgorilla]

But they give a hoot about good movies.

And when it comes to Doom:

Comic origin = Good movie

Doom as Donald Trump/ Norman Osborn wannabe = Bad movie.

It has nothing to do with what appeared where, or why. If the comic origin wasn't good, they'd have been justified in jettisoning it.



Actually you can equate the changes.

Catwoman: Altered origin, altered persona, ridiculous powers,lousy costume.

Doom: Altered origin, altered persona, ridiculous powers, lousy costume.

Check, check, check & mate.

Well stated and illustrated, Dragon. Although, some people on this thread will not be able to distinguish between a conclusion based on sound reasoning (with examples cited) and an opinion based on loose personal goals.

Good luck, convincing 'em!

Wetgorilla

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

Well stated and illustrated, Dragon. Although, some people on this thread will not be able to distinguish between a conclusion based on sound reasoning (with examples cited) and an opinion based on loose personal goals.

Good luck, convincing 'em!

Wetgorilla

Oh, how we have tried. Again and again. But then, they'll get their movie version of Doom, and they might even be happy with it, even if they realise that it is in no way the same character. (and if they don't, i'm sorry, but they don't know Doom enough. Liking this new version is one thing, but thinking there is enough of Doom in there to recognize him is not knowing or having read enough about Doom).

While we will be submerged by a painful 2 hours of pure pain by remembering that this was the last hope we had of ever seeing Doom on the big screen.

And they ****ed it up.

 

[wetgorilla]

It's amazing, Saint, to see how angry some people on this thread get when they run across individuals discussing how this production biffed things up. It's almost as if the slightest ripple contrary to their stream of thinking sends them on the war path! Just wish them good luck and hopefully they don't behave that way in the real world.

Wetgorilla

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

It's amazing, Saint, to see how angry some people on this thread get when they run across individuals discussing how this production biffed things up. It's almost as if the slightest ripple contrary to their stream of thinking sends them on the war path! Just wish them good luck and hopefully they don't behave that way in the real world.

Wetgorilla

They hate it when some of us bigger Doom fans say "we are bigger fans than you are, we know him better, and we know for a FACT he isn't faithful at all aside from his name, no matter how many times you will deny it".

But really, that's true... hate it or love it, movie Doom only got the name and the color right.

It's funny, because in this very thread, we were arguing as to how Doom wouldn't be any more faithful in the movie then he is in the novel and scripts. It was pretty damn evident.

And yet, they continued to defend he would be better, that they had made changes and etc.

And now, we've got a poster in another thread who saw the movie, and responded to everyone's responses.

And clearly (even though he liked the movie) clarified that Doom was indeed done the way we knew he would be. And worse, that he is a mediocre villain.

And then we were told they had to make changes to make him a better villain. And yet we get a MEDIOCRE villain after all ? Who doesn't even ****ing shout ONCE "Richarrrrrrrrrrrrd" ???? Not even that ??? At the very end, when he loses to Richard, he cries a desparate "nooOOooooo". Had ANY ONE WITH the most REMOTE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE FF AND DOOM FILMED THAT SCENE, they would have know Doom couldn't have cried anything else than a "Riiichard" in that scene. It's the most simple thing, really, ANY FF fans know that. ANY of them. And they didn't even get that. Good lord... And then the crew comes in and say they are fans and know their stuff. Oh no they don't.

When we say they ****ed Doom, it's now a fact. Now, will you people still like him after the ****ed he received ? Maybe. Doesn't change he was ****ed.

 

[dos_acoustic]

Im Fine with the whole changing his origin....its just the whole Love triangle thing....its so fu**ing stupid...its so high school that it is not even funny " Dude, you stole my girl...I hate you now" ...it makes me want to vomit every time i think about it...but from what i can tell this is the kind of sh1t the general public loves...they eat it up!

 

[dos_acoustic]

They hate it when some of us bigger Doom fans say "we are bigger fans than you are, we know him better, and we know for a FACT he isn't faithful at all aside from his name, no matter how many times you will deny it".

But really, that's true... hate it or love it, movie Doom only got the name and the color right.

It's funny, because in this very thread, we were arguing as to how Doom wouldn't be any more faithful in the movie then he is in the novel and scripts. It was pretty damn evident.

And yet, they continued to defend he would be better, that they had made changes and etc.

And now, we've got a poster in another thread who saw the movie, and responded to everyone's responses.

And clearly (even though he liked the movie) clarified that Doom was indeed done the way we knew he would be. And worse, that he is a mediocre villain.

And then we were told they had to make changes to make him a better villain. And yet we get a MEDIOCRE villain after all ? Who doesn't even ****ing shout ONCE "Richarrrrrrrrrrrrd" ???? Not even that ??? At the very end, when he loses to Richard, he cries a desparate "nooOOooooo". Had ANY ONE WITH the most REMOTE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE FF AND DOOM FILMED THAT SCENE, they would have know Doom couldn't have cried anything else than a "Riiichard" in that scene. It's the most simple thing, really, ANY FF fans know that. ANY of them. And they didn't even get that. Good lord... And then the crew comes in and say they are fans and know their stuff. Oh no they don't.

When we say they ****ed Doom, it's now a fact. Now, will you people still like him after the ****ed he received ? Maybe. Doesn't change he was ****ed.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

And then there's the look. If they hadn't ****ed everything, I could get over it. But they ****ed everything. And I see people saying how faithful he looks.

Sigh. No he doesn't. He's got the same mask, and he's in green. That is all he has in common. Well, if you know what you are talking about, of course.

Here's the toys for the movie version, and then, for those with lesser knowledge, I put for you a picture of one of the toys of the comic book version. You should easily see how things went bad in the making of this "new" and "improve" movie Doom.

The design for the movie version is so bad, that it makes for one of the most atrocious toy I have ever seen.

Movie Doom has pants, shoes and a trenchcoat. I mean, how much further from Doom can you get ??? We are talking about a man who thinks he is earth's emperor. Nothing less than something royal would fit him. And yet they gave him a trenchcoat. And ugly shoes... And people defend that. Why ???

Now, I've also seen some people even go as far as to say that movie Doom was "big", and that he was in the same league as comic Doom. Which I though was so wrong, that it made me laugh.

That's Doom:

You see, body armor = Big body. Doom IS ****ing huge. Not even Arnold can compete with Doom's body armor. Why ? Because it's an armor. Victor isn't that big underneath, but with his body armor, Doom is imposing, and frigging gigantic.

Metal Skin with ugly trenchcoat equal MUCH tinier:

Now THAT'S small. Julian is 6 feet tall. He's an average guy. Heck, I'm more tall then him. Doesn't make me big, for christsake.

 

[Carter]

I dont have much FF knowledge, but Doom looks cool as hell to me.
So, I guess I have an "outside" opinion on Doom.

I think people in my age group will like Doom better than the FF.

I already do. The film doesn't get much enthusiasm out of me, but the one thing thats making me want to see it is Dr. Doom.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

I dont have much FF knowledge, but Doom looks cool as hell to me.
So, I guess I have an "outside" opinion on Doom.

I think people in my age group will like Doom better than the FF.

I already do. The film doesn't get much enthusiasm out of me, but the one thing thats making me want to see it is Dr. Doom.

Now, just imagined if he had been faithful, if they hadn't ****ed his character so much he isn't even a tenth of his formerself.

My god, people would have embrace this movie. There's a reason why Doom is considered by so many to be the greatest comic book character. It's because he IS that great. If we all kiss his feet, then i'm sure if he had been presented in a proper and faithful way, audience would have fallen in love with him.

I never doubted that. Comic book fans are human. It's not like we are a different species than the rest. These people just need to get to know Doom.

Fox didn't even let them. They decided audience needed a lesser and so much less complicated and interesting character.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

I dont have much FF knowledge, but Doom looks cool as hell to me.

THAT'S cool:

But that sure isn't even half as cool:

Because, a human size doom with a trenchcoat, pants and nothing royal about him (oh, and tiny shoes to boost! ) is so much more cool than the huge, powerful and majestic Doom from the comics.

Of course he owns his comic self. How couldn't he ? He can shoot lightning out of his butt, just by THINKING it! How ****ing groovy is that ?

Best.Update.Ever!

 

[Carter]

You may have a point....
My opinion of "movie" Doom has unfortunately decreased.....

I guess the trailer got to me...with the Perfect Circle song and the "Force Lightening".

 

[Carter]

My reasons for seeing this are diminishing...all I have left is:

a)Jessica Alba is amazingly hot
b)Michael Chiklis is very good on The Shield
c)Maybe...just maybe Doom will be badass

Overall, I think it'll be a decent superhero flick.
Falling somewhere between X2 and Daredevil(Underrated if you ask me)

But now I'm very interested in Doom's comic origin.
Can anybody tell me which books those would be?
Much appreciated.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

You may have a point....
My opinion of "movie" Doom has unfortunately decreased.....

I guess the trailer got to me...with the Perfect Circle song and the "Force Lightening".

Well, I should feel sorry, but I don't. I mean, you do have the right to know that it is adapting one of the coolest villain ever, and that a guy with pants, shoes and a trenchcoat could never in a million years compete with the comic book version of Doom.

I mean, we are talking about a villain who took down Galactus by himself, and then went head to head with the most powerful being in the universe, and won (while the FF, the x-men and the avengers were still trying to figure how to beat Dr. Octopus).

Doom is not just bad, he is the incarnation of the word badass.

 

[jeanblackqueen]

This reminds me of SPIDERMAN hey they made Mary Jane and Gwen into one person. Hey his shooters are organic. Hey Goblin's suit is different Etc.. you need to make changes for the sake of a better movie. A movie cannot be a comic book. You need to consider issues like time, conflict, excitement, and then plausibility with respect to all that. I have no problem with changes IF they work in the context of the movie - as long as they are not damaging to the character. I think we can all see this Doom going back to his homeland and taking it over for example. If it makes it a good movie these kind of changes work if it makes it crap then obviously the changes were wrong. These movies are not being made for fanboys (they know you're going to see the film anyway and then complain about it lol).

I think this movie from what I have seen so far will be right up there with Spidey and Xmen I just have that feeling. Better then Hulk, DD, Batman Begins.

Just a guess but even if it winds up on the second level with HULK and BB it will still be very good. I have much more hope for this then X3 or Superman.

 

[Kurosawa]

And then there's the look. If they hadn't ****ed everything, I could get over it. But they ****ed everything. And I see people saying how faithful he looks.

Sigh. No he doesn't. He's got the same mask, and he's in green. That is all he has in common. Well, if you know what you are talking about, of course.

Here's the toys for the movie version, and then, for those with lesser knowledge, I put for you a picture of one of the toys of the comic book version. You should easily see how things went bad in the making of this "new" and "improve" movie Doom.

The design for the movie version is so bad, that it makes for one of the most atrocious toy I have ever seen.

Movie Doom has pants, shoes and a trenchcoat. I mean, how much further from Doom can you get ??? We are talking about a man who thinks he is earth's emperor. Nothing less than something royal would fit him. And yet they gave him a trenchcoat. And ugly shoes... And people defend that. Why ???

Now, I've also seen some people even go as far as to say that movie Doom was "big", and that he was in the same league as comic Doom. Which I though was so wrong, that it made me laugh.

That's Doom:

You see, body armor = Big body. Doom IS ****ing huge. Not even Arnold can compete with Doom's body armor. Why ? Because it's an armor. Victor isn't that big underneath, but with his body armor, Doom is imposing, and frigging gigantic.

Metal Skin with ugly trenchcoat equal MUCH tinier:

Now THAT'S small. Julian is 6 feet tall. He's an average guy. Heck, I'm more tall then him. Doesn't make me big, for christsake.

Just pathetic. Klytus looks like a joke, while Doom looks impressive as all hell.

Worst superhero movie villian EVER. And the most disgusting thing of it is is that Doom is the BEST supervillian ever.

If there is no sequel (and it's damn well possible), it'll be because of the mishandling of Doom. And if there is one, it'll be in spite of it.

All of our fears about Doom have been proven correct. Mediocre is not acceptable, especially not for an icon like Doom. Doom is the best, and he deserved the best. If only someone would come along and treat a traditional comic with the proper respect in a movie like Robert Rodriguez treated Sin City and Peter Jackson did LOTR. Instead we get this soulless, by-the-numbers Hollywood drivel.

**** them all with a spiked baseball bat.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

This reminds me of SPIDERMAN hey they made Mary Jane and Gwen into one person. Hey his shooters are organic. Hey Goblin's suit is different Etc.. you need to make changes for the sake of a better movie. A movie cannot be a comic book. You need to consider issues like time, conflict, excitement, and then plausibility with respect to all that. I have no problem with changes IF they work in the context of the movie - as long as they are not damaging to the character. I think we can all see this Doom going back to his homeland and taking it over for example. If it makes it a good movie these kind of changes work if it makes it crap then obviously the changes were wrong. These movies are not being made for fanboys (they know you're going to see the film anyway and then complain about it lol).

I think this movie from what I have seen so far will be right up there with Spidey and Xmen I just have that feeling. Better then Hulk, DD, Batman Begins.

Just a guess but even if it winds up on the second level with HULK and BB it will still be very good. I have much more hope for this then X3 or Superman.

Nice post Jean. And the point I highlighted above is the true crux of the matter. Unfortunately, some of these people can't wrap their heads around that concept...

 

[Milkman95]

Just pathetic. Klytus looks like a joke, while Doom looks impressive as all hell.

Worst superhero movie villian EVER. And the most disgusting thing of it is is that Doom is the BEST supervillian ever.

If there is no sequel (and it's damn well possible), it'll be because of the mishandling of Doom. And if there is one, it'll be in spite of it.

All of our fears about Doom have been proven correct. Mediocre is not acceptable, especially not for an icon like Doom. Doom is the best, and he deserved the best. If only someone would come along and treat a traditional comic with the proper respect in a movie like Robert Rodriguez treated Sin City and Peter Jackson did LOTR. Instead we get this soulless, by-the-numbers Hollywood drivel.

**** them all with a spiked baseball bat.

Harsh, especially when you haven't seen the finished product yet.

Question - has there been any other movie villains that have been changed as drastically as Doom has?