I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[Vartha]

They'll have wasted a whole movie explaining how he wouldn't need an armor. I doubt they'll make a 180 in the next one, approving they took the bad road.

"Hey, fans were right. Making him a metal man was a bad idea. Let's give him a body armor in the next one."

There is nearly no chances they will do that. It's Fox we are talking about, not some marvel writer who knows his stuff, and can admit when he's in the wrong. (though, even that is getting rare these days)

He'll need the Armour to beat the FF. For one FF are too powerful for Doom, but if he wears a power boosting armour he's more of a threat.
All and all you need an origin movie to introduce the characters, Doom will be Doom, you watch.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

Oh , and BTW, if the shoe fits, wear it.

 

[Milkman95]

^Charlie and the Chocolate Factory..............

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

He'll need the Armour to beat the FF. For one FF are too powerful for Doom, but if he wears a power boosting armour he's more of a threat.
All and all you need an origin movie to introduce the characters, Doom will be Doom, you watch.

I'm not even sure I want to anymore. I am NOT paying Fox with my money for what they did to Doom.

I'll download it, or get a free pass somewhere, i'm not sure.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

^Charlie and the Chocolate Factory..............

Damn it, say it with conviction!!!! Bow down before WB!!

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Thanks for once again outing yourself as a hypocrite, lightning. You really don't have any credibility as an unbiased and respectable poster anymore, you know that. No amount of supposedly considering yourself one of the "fanboys" you so often insult will change that, and neither will your bull$hit answer to this post, which will undoubtedly carry the message that you don't care what I think and/or some half-assed excuse for why it's okay for you to support conformist sheep in their most most blatant insults. I'm disappointed more in myself for having allowed any doubt than I am of you in this instance.

Well, Herr it's a pity you feel that way. However, you do realize that your seal of approval has never been something I striven for, right? And if giving this adaptation of Doom a chance is it all it takes to lose such "respect" from you, what value did it carry in the first place? Your little post above certainly doesn't strip away my "objectivity", credibility nor my knowledge of this source material. Sounds like you're the one taking this personal.

Oh, and by the way: Speaking of "conformity" Look around bub--there is a LOT of that at work in this very thread. A few of you have drawn a line in the sand: Either you're against movie Doom or not. There is no in-between. And if you are even considering giving him a chance, suddenly you're a hypocrite and a "whatever".



Save it.

 

[Mr Sensitive]

see thats just inciting and you know it,anyone could say you were a plant from WB trying to down F4 to help CATCF with all the negativity you spread,bottom line we should all rise above personal insults and provoking jabs of other posters

Agreed, hunter. But to say people are b1tching and crying, and that they're stubborn, when they present arguments, is the same thing. Everybody knows Lightning is supporting the movie from the very beginning, but a discussion thread has to be about discussing issues.

I see many people here (TheSaintofKillers, for instance) with very good points on why Victor von Doom would be deeply offended with Mr Story. The movie will be another thing surely, but it is legitimate to ask if it is possible that the result of so many differences between the comicbook character and the kinematic one can be happily solved. And even why.

People just want a great movie, I suppose.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Sorry, Hunter, but Lightning really has that coming at this point. He's acting like a studio shill and he's insulting people who were criticizing a commercial product as if they had insulted him personally. Unacceptable.

Here's the thing though Herr,at this point things are getting heavy and if you look back through my posts in the Doom origin thread i never once defended the changes and neither did Lightnin and i also have never debated anyone's right to complain,but last night when i made a plea for the other ppl who are not comic fans and or have read the Doom comic origin and don't like it to have the right to say they prefer the new Doom over the classic one without there opinion being labeled as insignificant,this got no reply as the guys wanted to keep fighting and forcing there beliefs on the rest,i have tried not to do this i am just asking for some respect for oposing views,Lightnin did it by getting mad with the whining insults but look at some of the things leveled at him earlier in here from the other side,right now it seems like a 5 on 1 and i don't like that,anyway that is my take on this,i want no enemies but i dont think this new agression from either side his helping matters

 

[Hunter Rider]

Agreed, hunter. But to say people are b1tching and crying, and that they're stubborn, when they present arguments, is the same thing. Everybody knows Lightning is supporting the movie from the very beginning, but a discussion thread has to be about discussing issues.

I see many people here (TheSaintofKillers, for instance) with very good points on why Victor von Doom would be deeply offended with Mr Story. The movie will be another thing surely, but it is legitimate to ask if it is possible that the result of so many differences between the comicbook character and the kinematic one can be happily solved. And even why.

People just want a great movie, I suppose.

i know what you mean but there has been mud slung from both sides of the fence and things are getting outve hand IMO

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

cough*foxplant*cough*

You know...you've said some pretty dumb sh1t on this board O9. But the more you continue to push that weak accusation when it's clearly false just shows that you only have the nerve to "step" out when you think you have back-up.

You remind me of that low self-esteem child on the playground that tries so hard to *fit in* with the big bullies by egging on their conflicts like some pathetic fly buzzing in the ears. Instigating matters does nothing but make you look foolish.

Cut your bandwagoning and get an identity of your own.

 

[Hunter Rider]

So, why are to telling me this?, tell the one naming names and pointing fingers around here...

BTW, what the hell is CATCF?

so cos Cal said some of you were whining it justifys calling him a fox plant ? at least if you are going to get into a fight with him choose more fact based material,he would be the first to admit he has his flaws so use them as opposed to cheap digs,that are unworthy of you

 

[Vartha]

*sigh*

You know what Vartha? It's been a damn year. And I think we are wasting our breath on these guys now.

Hunter, Jean, Willie, Cap, Kel, Joe, Red, and even other major Doom fans have all brought up these same points over and over and over again, to help these guys look at it from another angle and see extended possibilities and reasonings. But stubbornly, they are refusing to take into account any other variables here. And they have already chosen to write off a performance they have yet to see for themselves. It's their "way, or nothing at all."

So I say let 'em b1tch and cry bloody war until they are green in the face. You know it's not going to change after July 8th.

Well I can see where Fox is going with this film, but, I'm also hoping they keep EVERYONE's ideas in mind, to make Doom who he is today.

 

[Herr Logan]

Well, Herr it's a pity you feel that way. However, you do realize that your seal of approval has never been something I striven for, right? And if giving this adaptation of Doom a chance is it all it takes to lose such "respect" from you, what value did it carry in the first place? Your little post above certainly doesn't strip away my "objectivity", credibility nor my knowledge of this source material. Sounds like you're the one taking this personal.

Oh, and by the way: Speaking of "conformity" Look around bub--there is a LOT of that at work in this very thread. A few of you have drawn a line in the sand: Either you're against movie Doom or not. There is no in-between. And if you are even considering giving him a chance, suddenly you're a hypocrite and a "whatever".



Save it.

And now you're reinterpreting what I've said to refute my accusations. That's weak, Lighting. You're clearly taking sides here, and as I so clearly stated before, you have supported the insults against people who are dissatisfied with decisions made regarding this movie, simply for that reason. For me, there's really only one position to take regarding this movie. I've currently reading the novel and everything said about Doom by honest people in these forums is becoming more and more definite by the page. I haven't even gotten to the point where Doom shows any sign of superpowers or drastic wardrobe changes, and I know right off that he's nothing like the real Dr. Doom in personality. You seem to be under the impression that anything about this subject was a secret and will continue to be a secret until the movie actually comes out. Some of us know better than to play dumb and then come up with excuses when the cat's out of the bag.

Anyway, there's no point in discussing this with you. You've proven me right about everything I said in my earlier post, and you will continue to be a hypocrite. Sure, I may have been gullible enough to believe you were anything other than a hostile, hypocritical studio shill, but fom now on, keep the bull$hit aimed elsewhere. I don't give movies or movie characters "a chance." I give people a chance, and you blew more than one of those chances. You blew it, you don't care, and you're about to reiterate that you don't care what I think. You see, it really isn't that difficult to make an informed guess.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Sorry, Hunter, but Lightning really has that coming at this point. He's acting like a studio shill and he's insulting people who were criticizing a commercial product as if they had insulted him personally. Unacceptable.

No.

I blasted the laity on this thread. I am sick of the snobbish "My views are superior to yours because Doom is not as I want him" mentality. The arguements are being rehashed over and over again...and we still can't prove anything until we SEE the film.

So this "criticitizing" you speak of is going both ways. Those who want to discuss the movie origin of Doom as a positive were blasted by those who disagree with it. But what annoyed me was seeing fans be told their thinking was laughable at best simply because these diehard Doom fans think they're viewpoints are so much better.

That is wrong.

And that's why I stepped in. Perhaps some of these newfound fans don't have an extensive knowledge of the comic or Doom. But does that make their opinions on Movie Doom wrong? I've been reading this comic longer than some here have been alive. So am I and others like me wrong for understanding the nature of the changes and adopting a wait-and-see attitude? That makes me a conformist? Bullsh1t.

I mean, it gets down to "Who the feck are you to tell me opinion of this situation is nil compared to yours?

That snobbish thinking cannot be tolerated.

 

[Dark Phantom]

I've been reading all of these posts and I've realized something. No matter how much you may comlain and whine, none of you die-hard faithful fan boys are going to get your way. I'm a huge Doctor Doom fan too. I am upset with the changes thta they made, but I'm satisfied with the Doom that we're stuck with now.

I would like to know what's your plan in this thread? Do you honestly think that by posting compliants about movie Doom that Hollywood is going to do something about it? Of course not. You and I both know it, It's obvious. Or are you trying to keep people from seeing the movie because Doom is not the way you invisioned it? I don't think that either. No one can sink that low.

Don't give me that BS about speaking your mind, because most of you have already spoken enough. There are at least 127 pages full of compliants, whining and observations. I think by now you've made your point. Now, my group of other fan-boys are going to see the movie and we're going to like movie Doom no matter how much bad treatment it may have gotten. What pisses me off, is that many of the posts here are unknowingly changing people's views of the movie for the worse.

I know people are going to bash me because I wrote this, but I wanted to show a different view for a change.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

You know...you've said some pretty dumb sh1t on this board O9. But the more you continue to push that weak accusation when it's clearly false just shows that you only have the nerve to "step" out when you think you have back-up.

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Clearly what? False, you say? I for one, don't know you all that well, outside of what goes on here... I don't know whether or not you've made up the whole Firefighter by day, model by night(yet has tons of time to post on a SHH board) story you came up with, nor do you know whether or not I am looking at record contracts and picking and choosing through them or if I made it all up. You describing me as one who "steps out" when others call you out on your BS is definitely more false than me calling you a Foxplant and if my calling you a Foxplant holds no weight behind it, then your claims about my past and behavioral analysis is as a rock slinging show coming from your own glass house.

You remind me of that low self-esteem child on the playground that tries so hard to *fit in* with the big bullies by egging on their conflicts like some pathetic fly buzzing in the ears. Instigating matters does nothing but make you look foolish.

Cut your bandwagoning and get an identity of your own

So show me your degree in psychology..... if you know how to size people up so well. Newsflash Einstein If I were slightly interested in chumming up to anybullies around, here, you know who I'd go to? Yep, you guessed it, YOU!

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

And now you're reinterpreting what I've said to refute my accusations. That's weak, Lighting. You're clearly taking sides here, and as I so clearly stated before, you have supported the insults against people who are dissatisfied with decisions made regarding this movie, simply for that reason. For me, there's really only one position to take regarding this movie. I've currently reading the novel and everything said about Doom by honest people in these forums is becoming more and more definite by the page. I haven't even gotten to the point where Doom shows any sign of superpowers or drastic wardrobe changes, and I know right off that he's nothing like the real Dr. Doom in personality. You seem to be under the impression that anything about this subject was a secret and will continue to be a secret until the movie actually comes out. Some of us know better than to play dumb and then come up with excuses when the cat's out of the bag.

Anyway, there's no point in discussing this with you. You've proven me right about everything I said in my earlier post, and you will continue to be a hypocrite. Sure, I may have been gullible enough to believe you were anything other than a hostile, hypocritical studio shill, but fom now on, keep the bull$hit aimed elsewhere. I don't give movies or movie characters "a chance." I give people a chance, and you blew more than one of those chances. You blew it, you don't care, and you're about to reiterate that you don't care what I think. You see, it really isn't that difficult to make an informed guess.

What the hell?

I never said that Dr. Doom in this film was being handled correctly. I said the exact opposite. So where is the hypocrisy in that? I mean seriously--Are you blind? Is it selective reading? Or is it simply amnesia?

Reread my posts. My issue is with the premature complaining and folks writing off something they haven't seen yet. I am encouraging others to give it a chance to see how it plays out...as that's what I'm doing, despite my misgivings on Doom. And it ended there.

Herr, you are reading a lot more into this than what was given in the first place. I knocked the whining--not the subject of the complaint.

So feel free to interpret that.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

so cos Cal said some of you were whining it justifys calling him a fox plant ? at least if you are going to get into a fight with him choose more fact based material,he would be the first to admit he has his flaws so use them as opposed to cheap digs,that are unworthy of you

Not really calling "us' anything. Defending a studio who cares as much for Caliph as the years top model cares for any of us, warrants such a claim, and yes, calling anyone a whiner is name calling, so... again, if the shoe fits, wear it. As for saying he's the first to admit his flaws, I've heard most everyone here admit their flaws, so what does what you say have to do with anything?

 

[Herr Logan]

Here's the thing though Herr,at this point things are getting heavy and if you look back through my posts in the Doom origin thread i never once defended the changes and neither did Lightnin and i also have never debated anyone's right to complain,but last night when i made a plea for the other ppl who are not comic fans and or have read the Doom comic origin and don't like it to have the right to say they prefer the new Doom over the classic one without there opinion being labeled as insignificant,this got no reply as the guys wanted to keep fighting and forcing there beliefs on the rest,i have tried not to do this i am just asking for some respect for oposing views,Lightnin did it by getting mad with the whining insults but look at some of the things leveled at him earlier in here from the other side,right now it seems like a 5 on 1 and i don't like that,anyway that is my take on this,i want no enemies but i dont think this new agression from either side his helping matters

I've been skimming this thread a bit, especially now that this is two threads merged, so I haven't seen everything leveled at Lightning. I just know that he supported an ignorant, pathetically conformist generalization made towards "fanboys," and nobody gets a free pass at that. He pretends he himself belongs in that category, as if it's a shield against criticism when he makes insults toward it. Everyone is prone to make generalizations when they're angry, but he had his chance to recant and instead tried to pull another sleight-of-word that would trick only the most unintelligent of readers. If he doesn't care what I think, and feels the need to make that clear even though I stated outright that he would say it, then I see no reason to keep making excuses for him. If anyone wants to believe that this board contains more than just tribalistic a$$holes who are so easily polarized in their views, it's me. You're a pretty consistent example of hope in that area, but Lighting failed that test today.

I respect you for trying to calm things down last night. I wasn't inclined to chime in because I'd become sick and tired of idiotic threads like that, and to be honest, you were a bit confusing in your wording. But we both know that thread was created in ill will, and I have no respect for people jumping on that bandwagon merely for the sake of tribalism and justifying people's shallow, gullible predilictions. I've made it clear I draw a line between preferences and arguments, so I won't hold back against inferior and ignorant arguments unless I simply don't feel like responding. My passion for this board has waned considerably, and it's for the same reason that conformists are complaining that their own numbers and passions are dwindling: the other side is pissing them off with their pervasive hostility.

 

[RodeoHK]

Read this:

You seen “Spider-man”? I didn’t know Green Goblin was going to be in this one too. Victor Von Doom is essentially the same character as Norman Osborn was in “Spider-man” minus the son. Same big giant company who’s investors are cutting out or backing out. Same taking revenge on them. Same power leading to total madness. The both have lame, useless helmets. There’s certainly nothing scary about Doom in the movie, where instead of guy who uses his genius to get the Fantastic Four, Doom uses Electro’s powers.

That's from a review on AICN. NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

What pisses me off, is that many of the posts here are unknowingly changing people's views of the movie for the worse.

My sentiments exactly. And that's why I am speaking on this--these folks don't care about any of that. They'd rather see the whole thing fail instead of seeing the character extended over time and built on.

And that's presumptuous, considering they haven't even seen the final product.

 

[Herr Logan]

No.

I blasted the laity on this thread. I am sick of the snobbish "My views are superior to yours because Doom is not as I want him" mentality. The arguements are being rehashed over and over again...and we still can't prove anything until we SEE the film.

So this "criticitizing" you speak of is going both ways. Those who want to discuss the movie origin of Doom as a positive were blasted by those who disagree with it. But what annoyed me was seeing fans be told their thinking was laughable at best simply because these diehard Doom fans think they're viewpoints are so much better.

That is wrong.

And that's why I stepped in. Perhaps some of these newfound fans don't have an extensive knowledge of the comic or Doom. But does that make their opinions on Movie Doom wrong? I've been reading this comic longer than some here have been alive. So am I and others like me wrong for understanding the nature of the changes and adopting a wait-and-see attitude? That makes me a conformist? Bullsh1t.

I mean, it gets down to "Who the feck are you to tell me opinion of this situation is nil compared to yours?

That snobbish thinking cannot be tolerated.

If you mean to say "preference" instead of "opinion", with "opinion" meaning a factual-type statement or argument, then you have a good point. If not, then your point is worthless. Arguments are prey waiting to be attacked. Preferences are completely abstract and can't be attacked. It's your choice, what you meant to say.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Clearly what? False, you say? I for one, don't know you all that well, outside of what goes on here... I don't know whether or not you've made up the whole Firefighter by day, model by night(yet has tons of time to post on a SHH board) story you came up with, nor do you know whether or not I am looking at record contracts and picking and choosing through them or if I made it all up. You describing me as one who "steps out" when others call you out on your BS is definitely more false than me calling you a Foxplant and if my calling you a Foxplant holds no weight behind it, then your claims about my past and behavioral analysis is as a rock slinging show coming from your own glass house.

So show me your degree in psychology..... if you know how to size people up so well. Newsflash Einstein If I were slightly interested in chumming up to anybullies around, here, you know who I'd go to? Yep, you guessed it, YOU!

Boy, please.

 

[Herr Logan]

Not really calling &quot;us' anything. Defending a studio who cares as much for Caliph as the years top model cares for any of us, warrants such a claim, and yes, calling anyone a whiner is name calling, so... again, if the shoe fits, wear it. As for saying he's the first to admit his flaws, I've heard most everyone here admit their flaws, so what does what you say have to do with anything?

Do me a favor and stick to the content Caliph put forth in the arguments at hand, please. His status as a model doesn't belong in this argument.

 

[Herr Logan]

What the hell?

I never said that Dr. Doom in this film was being handled correctly. I said the exact opposite. So where is the hypocrisy in that? I mean seriously--Are you blind? Is it selective reading? Or is it simply amnesia?

Reread my posts. My issue is with the premature complaining and folks writing off something they haven't seen yet. I am encouraging others to give it a chance to see how it plays out...as that's what I'm doing, despite my misgivings on Doom. And it ended there.

Herr, you are reading a lot more into this than what was given in the first place. I knocked the whining--not the subject of the complaint.

So feel free to interpret that.

"Premature complaining and folks writing off something they haven't seen yet?"
You're still under the impression that people don't have access to the information on which they're basing their criticism? No, that can't be. You're too smart for that, but apparently you think I'm dumb enough to buy that nonsense. That's more insulting than writing off people's crticisms as mere "whining," and that by itself is disgustingly offensive.