I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[bweurk]

doom will be naked????

 

[Obi-Ron]

different strokes????????? you mean Arnold and Willy??? never mention this Tv show, it is doomed

Can't you just see Julian McMahon saying "What you talkin' bout, Richards?"

 

[TNC9852002]

If you don't count the cloak..

-TNC

 

[bweurk]

Can't you just see Julian McMahon saying "What you talkin' bout, Richards?"

looooooooooooool

 

[Kmack]

I honestly don't believe anyone actually knows whats the deal on Doom. As I read, they've changed the script (I don't know if they changed it completely) but for all we know Doom's appearance might remain mysterious until a trailer is shown....

 

[Lobo]

No one really knows, we are just hoping they don't phuck up Doom.

 

[Flame on!]

...stealing motorcycles and such...

How dare he.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

MASSIVE SPOILERS AHEAD!

The main problem with the movie version of Doom so far (according to many reviews of various drafts of the screenplay, one of them apparently being the almost-definitive draft written right before the shooting script) is that this Doom isn't the Doom we know and love from the comic books, he's a brand new Doom just for the movie. Latveria is no longer a foreign country, it's now the name of his New York-based company. He is no longer a super-genius equal to or perhaps even superior to Reed Richards, now he's just a ruthless businessman. He goes insane and tries to take over the world for no apparent reason. His personality is completely different. No black magic whatsover. His only special ability is that he becomes super-strong and virtually indestructible, so that he may rival the Thing and fight him in a subway tunnel and then in the sewers. I don't mind his armor now being his own transformed flesh, they did this in Ultimate FF and it worked, but the Ultimate version of Doom is still Doctor freakin' Doom, no Latveria (yet), no sorcery (yet), but still the same general appearance, the same megalomaniacal personality, the same way of speaking ("You shall fall by the hand of Doom! DOOM!"), he still has everything that matters, that makes him who he is, such an addictive and phenomenal supervillain. The movie version of Doom sucks ass, plain and simple. The writers seem to have gotten the FF themselves very well, but as far as Doom is concerned, they f***ed the pooch, period. I haven't seen such a poorly rendered comic book character since Bane in Batman & Robin.

 

[GL-Corps#28]

Dammit, if they make Doom like Lex, then they better not change Lex for the SUperman movie.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

See what I mean? Even ULTIMATE Doctor Doom is pretty cool.

 

[snazzy J]

 

[TheSumOfGod]

He ain't got nothin' on classic Doom, though.

No, not yet (give him a chance! they're only up to issue 11!), but he's still ten times better than the movie version I've read about.

 

[FanWithoutFear2]

The choice is simple: bring back the Doom that was in a previous script (the one that stays true to his roots) and incorporate him into the current one...or risk another comic-book movie bust that would make Catwoman look like a minor loss to investors.

 

[Cool_Jerk]

actually you can't make a faithfull doom in one movie...

Y'know... I think it can. All it takes is some creative writing on Hollywood's part... something that I feel is lacking with this production.

re: FanWithoutFear2 -- What previous script? Was there one with a faithful Doom? All I've heard or read has been organic techno-armor malarkey.

 

[Zev]

Good ideas everyone.

I was thinking about this and what if Doom and Reed's company was involved in creating space-based nuclear weapons technology for the US government? This would make sense seeing as how missile defence and the weaponization of space is a big issue and is actually right around the corner.

The FF's final launch with Doom could be part of some kind of public relations plan that's promoting the completion of the whole system. But of course, after the crash it's discovered that Doom's made sure he's in actual control of the whole weapons system and he's going to use it to start blowing up targets unless the world listens to his demands.

The only negative part of this whole thing is why would a great guy like Reed be involved in making weapons tech. in the first place? Maybe that could be a subplot...Reed feels guilty about what he's done and has to prove himself and fix things by stopping Doom (makes it more personal between the two characters).

Oh dear God, not the "I'm a scientist, I hate the military!" cliche. That's as old hat as the "we shouldn't have invented the nuke!" cliche and "the butler did it!" Especially since in the comics, Reed and Ben both fought in WW2. If anything, they'd be glad to have a system that could be used to save American soldiers from having to, you know, go in and get the bastards.

Seriously, there's NOTHING WRONG WITH MAKING WEAPONS. More over a 'Star Wars' type system to shoot down possible nuclear missile attacks on America (I'm assuming that's what this satellite-based weaponry would be). At most, I'd see Reed feeling bad because his defensive weaponry is being used for murderous, evil purposes. Sorta like a doctor who develops a painkiller, then discovers it's being sold as a narcotic. Remember, technology is inheritantly neither good nor evil, it's a tool that man uses.

Rant over.

 

[Herr Logan]

Bruce Banner felt bad about making a gamma bomb for the military. Might have something to do with the fact that it directly ruined his life.

 

[snazzy J]

Y'know... I think it can. All it takes is some creative writing on Hollywood's part... something that I feel is lacking with this production.

re: FanWithoutFear2 -- What previous script? Was there one with a faithful Doom? All I've heard or read has been organic techno-armor malarkey.

I've heard good things about a draft by Micheal France from a while back, but I've never read it. Real good things, actually. Like "could've been the best superhero movie ever" type things.

 

[snazzy J]

No, not yet (give him a chance! they're only up to issue 11!), but he's still ten times better than the movie version I've read about.

Classic Doom could've proven himself in one issue.

 

[snazzy J]

Oh dear God, not the "I'm a scientist, I hate the military!" cliche. That's as old hat as the "we shouldn't have invented the nuke!" cliche and "the butler did it!" Especially since in the comics, Reed and Ben both fought in WW2. If anything, they'd be glad to have a system that could be used to save American soldiers from having to, you know, go in and get the bastards.

Seriously, there's NOTHING WRONG WITH MAKING WEAPONS. More over a 'Star Wars' type system to shoot down possible nuclear missile attacks on America (I'm assuming that's what this satellite-based weaponry would be). At most, I'd see Reed feeling bad because his defensive weaponry is being used for murderous, evil purposes. Sorta like a doctor who develops a painkiller, then discovers it's being sold as a narcotic. Remember, technology is inheritantly neither good nor evil, it's a tool that man uses.

Rant over.

Okay, now you've dragged politics into this. How can you say weapons aren't good or evil? The entire purpose of a weapon is to hurt someone. Hurting someone isn't good.

 

[Docker2.0]

Don't know if this has been brought up or not but will he? What about his mom? Will she be mentioned?

 

[snazzy J]

Most likely not, as I don't think eurotrash businessmen usually have much time for the black arts. Or at least the type comic Doom uses.

 

[Darko]

F**k no....He will be a deranged sociapathic scientist with issues against a certain elongated astronaut-turned-superhero...................

 

[Herr Logan]

Violence isn't "good", either, but superheroes use violence to protect people. Weapons are a necessary evil. The extent and magnitude to which they are necessary is the real question.

 

[snazzy J]

Violence isn't "good", either, but superheroes use violence to protect people. Weapons are a necessary evil. The extent and magnitude to which they are necessary is the real question.

Exactly. Once again, we're in the same place. Weapons and violence are evil, but, like you said, a necessary evil.

 

[Herr Logan]

Scientists like Reed Richards would be better suited to make benevolent inventions and discoveries. It takes far more intelligence to effectively heal, cure and protect than it does to harm and destroy. Reed Richards is supposed to be the smartest man in the world, so I'd rather he lived up to his potential instead of taking the route Bruce Banner did. Richards will have more than enough about which to feel guilty when he becomes responsible for his best friend's condition. The search for benevolent discoveries or discoveries with benevolent ramifications can still bring negative consequences, especially when hubris is a factor.