I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[Sardaukar]

Bad analogy, the character Hulk was executed very well in that movie. The addressed his physcological and physical (madder he got stronger he got) issues very well, however the movies downfall was it had a weak third act and was anticlimatic.

So the Hulk was practically a mirror image of comic Hulk, however he existed in a poorly planned out plot

Well, that's your opinion, and this is mine...

Movie Bruce Banner was lacking in the necessary charisma to make me want to give a damn about what happens to him.

 

[Sardaukar]

As for Doom's intelligence compared to Reed...

Straight from the book:

Now that he'd had a little time to "digest" the notion that they were going on hands and knees to Victor Von Doom for aid, he realized how paltry his own sense of frustration had to be compared to Reed's. Reed was ten times - hell, a hundred times - the scientist that Victor Von Doom would ever be. But Von Doom was the shrewder businessman by far, and that was what had made all the difference.

It's all wrong.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

It seems no matter how wetgorilla, Sardaukar and Dragon puts it, you continue to defend movie Doom for the wrong reasons, RedIsNotBlue.

That's the problem here. Not that you like it, but that, even if you've stated the contrary, you still defend "movie Doom's faithfullness".

You defend he's a genius. When he is not. He is simply very intelligent. While Reed is a super genius. There is an HECK of a huge difference between these two individuals. Worst, Doom even acknowledge he is less the genius than Reed (he even says something along the lines of "i've always knew Reed was much better, that's why i'm using him".)

Doom being inferior to someone would be atrocious, but him admitting so is such a change that it kills his character, imo. Heck, not imo, it's a fact that this changes the WHOLE character. The core of Doom is his will, his pride and his intellect. They threw away pretty much all of that. I read the novel, I even went to great lenght to explain how they changed that, but you seem to have forgot what I wrote, or dismissed it. Well, you'll be surprise then, if you don't accept what I'm saying now come july 8, since that's exactly what we'll be getting.

Next time, please, say that you prefer movie Doom, etc, but don't try to deny that he is unfaithful, and then 2 posts later, worse, don't write that's not what you are saying.

Because you ARE defending that he is faithful (by saying he's much more intelligent, etc, which he is not compared to Reed and his comic self. By far.)

Just accept, and take our words, (because I have no reason to lie, jesus...), that Doom is FAR from being faithful. I mean, he lost his intellect. We are talking about a god among manking here, not just a brilliant businessman.

I'd go back and tell you everything they changed, and how wrong all of that is, but I already wrote all of that in my previous posts, and my fellow posters made themself just as clear.

This is not about being positive about something new, or negative, this is about changes, which you must either accept or not. You are inbetween. You are loving them, yet you are defending they are close to the comics, when they clearly are not, if you know Doom's character, like we do.

Actually, i'm beginning to think you might not know enough of Doom's character in the comics. If you want recommandation, I could get you some "comics" online. P.M.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

As for Doom's intelligence compared to Reed...

Straight from the book:





It's all wrong.

God, I remember that. I also remember feeling extremely angry while reading it. I just realised I still am. Maybe even more so.

How can people defend THAT ???

 

[Sardaukar]

I just bought the book today, I'm on the first chapter.

It's not looking too good.

Not that I have anything against Peter David, he's a hell of a writer.

It's what he had to work with that worries me.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

How is that irrelevant? In the comics he gets a scholarship from his intelligence and it seems to be that way in the movie. Just because he doesn't act as dorky as Reed doesn't make him dumb. Well whatever I am tired of trying bring things to attention.

Here's one of the exemples where you are STILL trying to make us believe he is not that far away from the comics. That's what i'm talking about here. You are trying to make us understand he is VERY intelligent, much like in the comics, which it is clearly not true (we've stated it hundreds of times already, but for the latest one, just go read Sardaukar's latest post. )

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

I just bought the book today, I'm on the first chapter.

It's not looking too good.

Not that I have anything against Peter David, he's a hell of a writer.

It's what he had to work with that worries me.

Doom wise, it only gets worse the more you continue. I'd recommend not reading it, at least you could keep SOME hopes. By reading it, you'll shatter any you might still have had, no matter how tiny they might have been.

It hurts a lot, I garantee it. Especially when you know Doom very well.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Red dude give up,no offence to the fella's in the thread but you are dealing with Doom fanatics,it's not just an interest in the F4 comics like say I have or Lightnin has but the guy's here are fanaticaly passionate about Doom and he is not what they wanted in this movie and they are hopping mad,

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

Red dude give up,no offence to the fella's in the thread but you are dealing with Doom fanatics,it's not just an interest in the F4 comics like say I have or Lightnin has but the guy's here are fanaticaly passionate about Doom and he is not what they wanted in this movie and they are hopping mad,

Actually, it is not just NOT what we wanted, it's EVERYTHING we never wanted, all in the same package. It's like the worst nightmare brought to the big screen to us.

It's our Batman and robin movie, but worse, since we aren't getting a new Doom movie (and relaunch) every 4 years like the dark knight.

This movie was our only hope of seeing a faithful Doom brough to the big screen (or at LEAST parts of it). Now, we'll have to either wait for the sequel for a slightly more faithful adaption, or 30 years before finally having Doom in all of his glory on the big screen.

So, of course we are hopping mad.

Doom got screwed.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Actually, it is not just NOT what we wanted, it's EVERYTHING we never wanted, all in the same package. It's like the worst nightmare brought to the big screen to us.

It's our Batman and robin movie, but worse, since we aren't getting a new Doom movie (and relaunch) every 4 years like the dark knight.

This movie was our only hope of seeing a faithful Doom brough to the big screen (or at LEAST parts of it). Now, we'll have to either wait for the sequel for a slightly more faithful adaption, or 30 years before finally having Doom in all of his glory on the big screen.

So, of course we are hopping mad.

Doom got screwed.

and i'm not debating your right to be mad Thes,im just explaining to Red how fruitless his efforts are,I was really pissed myself over Two Face years ago so i understand,truth is most of us comic fans wouldve liked a more faithful Doom but i know it goes deeper for you guys

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

and i'm not debating your right to be mad Thes,im just explaining to Red how fruitless his efforts are,I was really pissed myself over Two Face years ago so i understand,truth is most of us comic fans wouldve liked a more faithful Doom but i know it goes deeper for you guys

Thanks for understanding, Hunt. I appreciate it.

(and I knew you weren't debating, I was just posting more, making your post bigger by explaining in more details how I felt. )

 

[Dragon]

and i'm not debating your right to be mad Thes,im just explaining to Red how fruitless his efforts are,I was really pissed myself over Two Face years ago so i understand,truth is most of us comic fans wouldve liked a more faithful Doom but i know it goes deeper for you guys

But this is what you're missing, at least from my persective. I'm not saying that I'd only be pleased if Doom or the FF for that matter were only exactly as shown in the comics. I completely understand that adjustments MUST be made in translation from 22 page comic book to 2 hour movie. The point is that the changes had better be an actual improvement, which we clearly haven't gotten with Doom. Doom despite what Red would hope for is not improved by this change. He's severly weakened. The only thing that's been accomplished is that some screen time is saved. For what? So we can see Johnny do motorcycle and skiing stunts and mug on TV shows. So instead of a film we have what Arad initially proclaimed this to be- a sitcom with superheroes.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Give up what? I am not trying force anyone to feel how I feel. I am simply stating how I see things and how I feel about it. For some reason people thing I am trying to prove that Doom in the movie is faithful to the comic Doom. This is not the case. I have just said he is faithful enough and he will be even more faithful in the sequel. Of course the Doom fanatics on here are going to be pissed at me cause I prefer the movie Doom over comic Doom. I feel good about the Doom I am getting...others aren't. It is that simple.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

and i'm not debating your right to be mad Thes,im just explaining to Red how fruitless his efforts are,I was really pissed myself over Two Face years ago so i understand,truth is most of us comic fans wouldve liked a more faithful Doom but i know it goes deeper for you guys

And it is fruitless for them to keep trying to bash into my head that Doom is going to suck. I have tried a few times already to end this pointless debate and yet people keep bringing up things and stirring me back up...haha.

 

[Kelly]

 

[Sardaukar]

Aren't they just going to confuse the movie-goers?

 

[webhead731]

Cool.

 

[Hunter Rider]

But this is what you're missing, at least from my persective. I'm not saying that I'd only be pleased if Doom or the FF for that matter were only exactly as shown in the comics. I completely understand that adjustments MUST be made in translation from 22 page comic book to 2 hour movie. The point is that the changes had better be an actual improvement, which we clearly haven't gotten with Doom. Doom despite what Red would hope for is not improved by this change. He's severly weakened. The only thing that's been accomplished is that some screen time is saved. For what? So we can see Johnny do motorcycle and skiing stunts and mug on TV shows. So instead of a film we have what Arad initially proclaimed this to be- a sitcom with superheroes.

I get that your not happy about the entire thing,I probably shouldve mentioned just sar and Thes as both are specificly angred over Doom,my bad to include you ,personaly i like the way they have handled the F4 themselves but thats a different thread

 

[Hunter Rider]

And it is fruitless for them to keep trying to bash into my head that Doom is going to suck. I have tried a few times already to end this pointless debate and yet people keep bringing up things and stirring me back up...haha.

ok..

 

[Hunter Rider]

Thanks for understanding, Hunt. I appreciate it.

(and I knew you weren't debating, I was just posting more, making your post bigger by explaining in more details how I felt. )

I'm glad you cleared it up i wasn't sure what your true feelings on the matter were lol

 

[Head>On<Collider]

^^^^That is a manip right? Too bad it's not real....

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

With just a TINY summary, they were able to explain most of Doom's main backstory.

They could have began the movie with a brief dark "tale" of how Doom came to be, a lot like the intro in the Dracula movie by Coppola. Or they could have just wrote that at the beginning. Or Reed could have told all of that to the other 3 members of the team, and that the rest might just be fables imagined by drunks, since what Doom has done is too incredible to be real. But it would be. Oh it would be.

There is so many ways they could have explain it the way it should have been, or how they could have show it, or just kept his original origin, that there are NO excuses for the changes.

And, if only the changes were only in his origin...

Seeing Doom on the screen is what dreams are made of. Sigh.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Saint,

How comfortable were you with Doom 2099? There were some alterations to the character and deviations that have led many to believe that they might be two separate individuals. Yet, Doom 2099 was a highly successful and well-regarded adaptation of the classic character.

Now, while in his armor, he had the ability to lift at least 2 tons worth of weight. Like Classic Doom, he was one of the most intelligent men on earth with access to all sorts of weapons and equipment. His armor contained a force field and was capable of firing concussion beams. And yet there was still some updating that breathed new life into the character. Did you have a problem with that?

 

[invincible mann]

are there any trade paperbacks of DOOM 2009 available?

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

Saint,

How comfortable were you with Doom 2099? There were some alterations to the character and deviations that have led many to believe that they might be two separate individuals. Yet, Doom 2099 was a highly successful and well-regarded adaptation of the classic character.

Now, while in his armor, he had the ability to lift at least 2 tons worth of weight. Like Classic Doom, he was one of the most intelligent men on earth with access to all sorts of weapons and equipment. His armor contained a force field and was capable of firing concussion beams. And yet there was still some updating that breathed new life into the character. Did you have a problem with that?

Actually, Lightning, those are my favorite Doom comic books!

And no, I don't think Ellis took many liberties here. He took the Doom we all know, and put him in the future. Few liberties were taken to change the character. Actually, I see none, since Doom pretty much always acted the way he usually does in Doom 2099. Only, well, he's in the future, and there's no Reed to get in his way.

Why would I have had a problem with that version, though ?

Doom-wise, i'm usually VERY open, and can accept many changes, if they keep most of his "core" intact. I even like the Ultimate version of Doom. I don't like it as much as the original one, of course, but, even if Ellis took many liberties, he kept his intelligence (just as much of a genius as Reed, of course), kept his will of steel and his uncanny determination. And I find it a "fun twist" on the original material, which is what it is suppose to be, actually, something different.

The movie version is another beast, though. But you already know that.