I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[Kelly]

if people like the movie, that's all that matters. forget about Doom for a second. i haven't, yet, seen a marvel movie villain who was exactly like their comic book counterpart. now, from what i've seen, the Thing and the Human Torch are spot on. both characters have little kids among their fanbase. as long as these two characters perform well, the movie's mission is accomplished. those kids, if they don't already read FF, will become interested in them. even if they think of Doom as a corporate mogul, they will soon be re-educated via the internet and the comic books themselves. eventually, they will realize that the movie-Doom is a significantly watered-down version of the comic book character. but that goes with all movie characters (except maybe Blade). i guess what i'm trying to say is that you're worrying over nothing. it's not going to take much to get new readers 'addicted' to the Fantastic Four. your responsibility is to educate them on the deep history of the team; the continuity. none of us starts off knowing everything. i used to think that Doom was a time-traveler from the dark ages and an englishman.

Definitely a new way of looking at it.....

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Yes Lightning- they were flops- FLOPS. They didn't earn sufficient money to turn a profit or justify sequels. And let's not forget The Hulk.

And- the fact that you mention Blade punches holes in your point. because the first 2 blade films were big hits, and Blade was both an unknown commodity and rated R. But they scored because they were at least decent films. We have to forget about these being "Marvel" films or "Comic book" films. They are films, period and should be approached as such.

Punisher is getting a sequel.

Hulk is getting a sequel.

The Daredevil franchise recently got a director's cut @ DVD and there is talk of a sequel (this was chronicled on this very site recently).

Elektra was a Catwoman-sized mistake and should never have been made. eVeR.

Wolverine, Magneto and possibly even a Storm spin-off film are in the works. Namor, Captain America and Thor are in talks. Luke Cage is in preproduction. All of these (and more) are products of the house of M. So it's more than just Spidey or X-Men--Marvel is saturating the market with its titles. Not each and everyone can be a hit Dragon--but that doesn't mean Marvel is holding sway right now.

And at least DC is giving the audience what they want. Not or Blue Beetle or Ambush Bug the movie.

Um yeah but can you not admit that DC is copying Marvel's formula? Hell, they abducted the X-Men's franchise entire support system to do their own rehash. DC has only served up one successful film of late. That doesn't erase all of its major failures (right up to 2004's debacle Catwoman--which DOES count) that killed the comic book film genre in the first place.

Yeah I'm sure. You never even heard about Arad until after Spidey became a hit. Yeah, he'd be there in the background, but you didn't here him making press statements about who they've hired for anything until after Spidey hit it big.

MEH, that doesn't mean anything Dragon. Avi has been Marvel's CEO for well over a decade. Just because he didn't take front and center until Marvel's second big hit with Spider-Man doesn't mean he wasn't calling the shots. As far as I've read on-line he did indeed hire Sam AND Bryan.

 

[Dragon]

This is the most balanced post on this subject yet. Well done.

What the hell are you saying, Lightning? That post didn't even make sense.

Who cares if kids start reading the FF comics? (Which they won't- these movies don't do jack to spark readership) I want to see Doom in all his glory on film! That's the freakin' point in going to see an FF movie- to see the characters brought to life on screen.

 

[Vartha]

What the hell are you saying, Lightning? That post didn't even make sense.

Who cares if kids start reading the FF comics? (Which they won't- these movies don't do jack to spark readership) I want to see Doom in all his glory on film! That's the freakin' point in going to see an FF movie- to see the characters brought to life on screen.

Sorry but movies DO spark readership. LotR is the biggest example of this.
Tolkien book sales skyrocketed after the movies came out. Granted it's not a comic, but people of ALL ages are reading Tolkein books.
After Spider-Man came out both my son and daughter, and all thier friends were reading about Spider-Man.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

That's the freakin' point in going to see an FF movie- to see the characters brought to life on screen.

People need to remember that... the dream of having these movies make it to the big screen is one of, if not the biggest factors in all of these movies.... Yeah, there are new people having these charaters introduced to them, but the one thing that makes this comic book revolution going on in the film industry as huge as it is, is the very fact that people have been wanting them on the big screen for so long.... are we really getting them on the screen? Not really. Forget about Johnny Storm, or whatever the movie has going right for it, anything going right for it is spoiled and ruined by the one turd floating in the punch bowl. Movie Doom being the floater in the punch bowl is just one thing ruining the main coarse among others......

 

[Kelly]

People need to remember that... the dream of having these movies make it to the big screen is one of, if not the biggest factors in all of these movies.... Yeah, there are new people having these charaters introduced to them, but the one thing that makes this comic book revolution going on in the film industry as huge as it is, is the very fact that people have been wanting them on the big screen for so long.... are we really getting them on the screen? Not really. Forget about Johnny Storm, or whatever the movie has going right for it, anything going right for it is spoiled and ruined by the one turd floating in the punch bowl. Movie Doom being the floater in the punch bowl is just one thing ruining the main coarse among others......

My punch bowl is just fine.....unless ya'll plan on crappin in it.....which could happen i'm sure....

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

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[Tony Stark]

didn't read all the way through this thread...but...this movie version of doctor dooms beginnings is a bit like the ultimate version of the FF,doom was involved with them and got changed through the experiment with the N zone,he also turned to metal much like the movie,so it does parallel with a version of the comics...besides at least he isnt called van damme like in the Ult FF comics!!

I've never read the Ultimates comics, but I've seen some of the artwork, and for sure the outfits were based on the Ultimates.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

My punch bowl is just fine.....unless ya'll plan on crappin in it.....which could happen i'm sure....

wierd

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Okay, what I'm about to say may sting a little...but don't take it personal.


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WAAAHGGGHH!!!

Newsflash! This is not just about you.



It's about the Fantastic Four as a franchise growing beyond the pages of the comics. Fox and Marvel will do what it takes to reach all demographics with these heroes, and they simply are not going to be able to please everybody. Bottom line. Accept it. Grow with it. Or don't go see it.

Now, to all you Doomites who simply cannot shut the heck up about this--the wailing has reached an all-time high! Some of this b1tching is verging on WHINING like that of a baby. Now, I'm a major FF/Doom fan myself, but DAYUM, let it go....cut yer whining already! Let's be a little more open-minded for 2 more weeks and THEN judge.

In fact, here's your blankets!

BWAHAHA!

 

[Dragon]

Punisher is getting a sequel.

Hulk is getting a sequel.

Dude, IT'S NOT getting a sequel. Arad's been telling us for the last two years "expect an announcement of a new director in 3 weeks!" And nothing. sure, he wants it to get a sequel, but it's not happening. You believe Arad's BS and I've got a bridge to sell you. The one you just saw in the FF clip.

The Daredevil franchise recently got a director's cut @ DVD and there is talk of a sequel (this was chronicled on this very site recently).

Arad explained in his last interview that they don't have the rights to DD. And by the time they get them back, no one will care. The stars of the film won't be returning.

Wolverine, Magneto and possibly even a Storm spin-off film are in the works. Namor, Captain America and Thor are in talks. Luke Cage is in preproduction. All of these (and more) are products of the house of M. So it's more than just Spidey or X-Men--Marvel is saturating the market with its titles. Not each and everyone can be a hit Dragon--but that doesn't mean Marvel is holding sway right now.

Sure movies are in talks. If you saw all the thousands of movie "that are in talks" this wouldn't be impressing you. Hell I have movies that are in talks.

And by saturating the market with films no one cares to see (Magneto. STORM????) the only good thing that will come of this is that Arad will get his ass fired for incompetence.

Um yeah but can you not admit that DC is copying Marvel's formula? Hell, they abducted the X-Men's franchise entire support system to do their own rehash. DC has only served up one successful film of late. That doesn't erase all of its major failures (right up to 2004's debacle Catwoman--which DOES count) that killed the comic book film genre in the first place.

Nothing has killed the comic book film genre (Although Marvel might succeed by over-saturating the market). DC has had 4 flops- Supes 4, Batman in Trouble, Steel and CINO. And those were so spread out that it's hard to even identify them together. Marvel's assembly line production slate is killing their franchises in rapid succession. And no- they are copying Marvel's formula. They may hay done so in the comis back in the 80's, but that's long been accepted. and consdiering all the bad stuff Marvel has produced over the years both comics-wise and film wise they certainly don't have a corner on good movies or comic books.

MEH, that doesn't mean anything Dragon. Avi has been Marvel's CEO for well over a decade. Just because he didn't take front and center until Marvel's second big hit with Spider-Man doesn't mean he wasn't calling the shots. As far as I've read on-line he did indeed hire Sam AND Bryan.

No, Sony and Fox hired them. Arad might have been in on the meetings but he didn't have final say. At the time Marvel was still proving themselves. Spidey bought Arad alot of clout.

So we either accept that Arad doesn't have control over the projects, or if he does, doesn't know what to do with the characters. Either way, he's an idiot.

 

[Kelly]

Ya know Red.....that really doesn't help things much.....

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Do you know what constitutes a conclusion? Facts, evidence, materials, and especially figures. July 8th will determine whether the quality of Doom's origins will warrant this movie being spoken of as having a great villain helming the role as F4's arch-nemesis. It will NOT prove or disprove to anyone out there who doesn't know any better which of the two versions is better than the other. What's unfortunate about this is that no one will ever have the fair opportunity outside of the comic book literate or these kinds of forums to have an even slightest clue about the way Doom was originally intended to be.... now if you PREFER this version of Doom over Doom's original storyline, that's one thing, but even so, making such a claim that this movie version of Doom is better in any way, shape or form than the comic version is warrants an easy dispute.

I love the way people describe the rightful indignation given to this treatment of alot of people's favorite Marvel villain as crying, whining, complaining, etc. To make things even more ludicrous is the idea that anyone is to expect people who have been familiar with a character that has captivated thousands of fans in a way it has to be accepting of the way this character has been prevented from making it to the big screen, when so many people wanted him on there, presented in a cinematic fashion. Instead, those people get told things like, &quot;get over it, be happy we're getting a F4 movie! Be happy we're getting Doom (yet it really isn't Doom at all).....&quot; Even worse is trying to make sense and defend what clearly is a compromise. To repeat myselrf again and again and again.... I'm the consumer, Fox and Marvel works for me therefore.... I'm not happy, I will complain. Come July 8th am I gonna be alone? Well, we;ll just see right? In the meantime, don't be too surprised to see more and more people noticing the HACK JOB they did with this charater. You even noticed it, even though you prefer it. That's the crux of it.... you're happy about it, and that's fine, but expect alot of views to not only disagree with yours Red, but really be of the mindset that they ruined a good thing here.

I see a lot of good, betters, and prefers in your paragraphs. You know why? We both have different opinions. I never meant to say what I thought was fact by conclusion I meant my final opinion. You think they ruined a good thing...I don't. We just have different opinions...get over it.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

On the other hand.......Okay, what I'm about to say may sting a little...but don't take it personal.


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WHY WON'T THEY STOP? WHY WON'T THEY STOP? THEY JUST KEEP ON HATING MY F4 MOVIE AND THEY WON'T LEAVE MY MOVIE DOOM ALONE!
WAAAHGGGHH!!!



Here you go....

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Ya know Red.....that really doesn't help things much.....

I know...I'm a naughty boy.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I can see where the Doom guys a re coming from as they want to see their favourite character brought to life onscreen in the faithful way as the LOTR characters have been,The way i look at though is elseworlds,i don't know if any of you have read many of them but they take classic characters and repackage them a bit like movie doom,so if you could step back a minute you might find this is still a good villain just not the classic one from the original comics

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Here you go....

Don't need it.

I'm not the one crying.

See the difference is, despite my knowledge of F4 and Doom, I understand there is a lot more at stake here. And even if I don't agree with all of the changes made, I'm not going to sit here and continue blasting something I haven't seen. Just like I'm not going to go overboard and praise something I haven't seen.

I have no crystal ball here...you don't see me saying whether this film will rock, fail, have huge box office or flop. Because I don't know, and I am not presumptuous.

Some of you are grading a whole film (and have been doing so for MONTHS) before it hits the theatres....and that's just pathetic considering we haven't seen how it will play out.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

I see a lot of good, betters, and prefers in your paragraphs. You know why? We both have different opinions. I never meant to say what I thought was fact by conclusion I meant my final opinion. You think they ruined a good thing...I don't. We just have different opinions...get over it.

You were on the right track until the "get over it" part..... if it's so true about you not making facts about your preferences, then there's no "getting over it" to be expected out of anyone, period.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

Don't need it.

I'm not the one crying.

Could've fooled me, I'm not the one protecting Fox and Marvel regarding this F4 movie at all costs no matter how weak the motivation to do so is...

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Don't need it.

I'm not the one crying.

Hey Lightning. Haven't you noticed they have actually been doing things in post production that actually makes Doom even more faithful? Making his blasts look beam-like instead of the electricity? It seems Story is trying to make Doom as faithful as possible because he knows that a lot of the fans are complaining about him.

 

[Dragon]

Okay, what I'm about to say may sting a little...but don't take it personal.

Dude, I can never even take you and these childish pictures you post seriously, let alone personally.

Newsflash! This is not just about you.

So who's it about then? Everyone who agrees with you that the movies should be dumbed down? That would amount to maybe the twenty people that frequent these boards. Not enough to build a franchise around I'm afraid.

It's about the Fantastic Four as a franchise growing beyond the pages of the comics. Fox and Marvel will do what it takes to reach all demographics with these heroes, and they simply are not going to be able to please everybody. Bottom line. Accept it. Grow with it. Or don't go see it.

Exactly. it's about the FF. Guess what- no one wants to see the FF sitting around in the Baxter building playing with themselves. they need a real villain to go up against. And they had one.

Now, to all you Doomsayers who simply cannot shut the heck up about this--the wailing has reached an all-time high! Some of this b1tching is verging on WHINING like that of a baby. Now, I'm a major FF/Doom fan myself, but DAYUM, let it go....cut yer whining already! This arguement has been said and re-said OVER AND OVER AGAIN and frankly, it's getting quite ridiculous, since none of us have seen the final product.

Talk about whining.. Kettle, you're black

We're seeing more and more of the final product as we get closer to July 8th, and it's not lookin' good for ya Lightning..

Let's be a little more open-minded for 2 more weeks and THEN judge.

Imagine that. On either side of the fence.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

You were on the right track until the &quot;get over it&quot; part..... if it's so true about you not making facts about your preferences, then there's no &quot;getting over it&quot; to be expected out of anyone, period.

There is something to get over. That Doom being ruined is just your opinion...it isn't a fact.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Hey Lightning. Haven't you noticed they have actually been doing things in post production that actually makes Doom even more faithful? Making his blasts look beam-like instead of the electricity? It seems Story is trying to make Doom as faithful as possible because he knows that a lot of the fans are complaining about him.

No, I'm too caught in the past script drafts to notice. I said that Doom will suck and HE WILL SUCK DAMMIT!!

*heels dig in*

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Dude, I can never even take you and these childish pictures you post seriously, let alone personally.

You mean, you can't take them seriously? Good, because that's how juvenile some of these easy-bake claims are coming across.

So who's it about then? Everyone who agrees with you that the movies should be dumbed down? That would amount to maybe the twenty people that frequent these boards. Not enough to build a franchise around I'm afraid..

You have about 8,000 posts to search for the moment I ever said that these films should be dumbed down. Happy hunting.

Talk about whining.. Kettle, you're black

We're seeing more and more of the final product as we get closer to July 8th, and it's not lookin' good for ya Lightning...

"Looking good for" me? Boy please.

I don't give a flying flip whether some of you enjoy or hate Dr. Doom or not. I don't work for Fox so it's not like I have face to lose if this thing succeeds or flops. No matter what it does, it certainly won't be due to the 100+ fans on this board.

All I'm concerned about is whether it's good enough for me and my views of what embodies the FF, and to secure a sequel.

So no, I'm not whining. I'm taking into account more than just the purist views and variables--there is more at work with these adaptations. That said, I'm simply waiting until I see the movie FIRST before I render full judgement. Some of you obviously cannot wait for that.

And that's sad.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

See the difference is, despite my knowledge of F4 and Doom, I understand there is a lot more at stake here. And even if I don't agree with all of the changes made, I'm not going to sit here and continue blasting something I haven't seen. Just like I'm not going to go overboard and praise something I haven't seen.


I have no crystal ball here...you don't see me saying whether this film will rock, fail, have huge box office or flop. Because I don't know, and I am not presumptuous.

Some of you are grading a whole film (and have been doing so for MONTHS) before it hits the theatres....and that's just pathetic considering we haven't seen how it will play out.

For someone who uses the words crystal ball as much as you do, you really do a good job of overlooking the simple factor that no matter how much planning and organizing and editing and board meeting, and staging every step taken in producing any film, there's no absolute recipe for making a blockbuster hit. If it were any way different, the use of a crystal ball would indeed be a factor when the production companies here in Hollywood are at work.... if anything, history mixed with some good old common sense should show that the least risk would be in sticking with something that has already been proven to be good and profitable. The Fantastic Four has already been established to be a good franchise in it's own right. Bringing them to the big screen the way they were originally written, would only bring that same greatness to a greater scale...