Fant4stic "I am DOOM! What MODS Dare Stand Against Me!

[psylockolussus]

For some reason I wanted Story's Doom to have a full metallic skin and I always found the mask cheesey. I am kinda happy that in this reboot that they are ditching the mask and gave him a metal face. I also think the cloak works though I think he will eventually get something more elegant, a cape perhaps.

 

[Kelly]

But the mask is a major part of who he is, his conceit, his desire to not show any kind of weakness. Had the mask been closer to a look in the comics it would have been much better, but that is such a important part of the character of Doom, simply having it all organic takes away a major part of Doom.

 

[GoblinScrier]

It looks like Dr. Doom to me. Just don't see the movie go talk about AoU why make yourself miserable about a movie you'll never see.

Really???? The new "Doom" looks like Dr. Doom to you? On what planet?

THIS IS DOOM!!!!

 

[Tony Stark]

The mask is who doom is. The 616 origin, he was a handsome man who ended up getting a scar. because he couldn't live with the scar he had a searing forged iron mask made to cover up the scar thus permanently disfiguring him.

Doom chose to look the way he does. He didn't half to, where as this film portrays it as an accidental transformation. In the Story film they at least kept the scar part although there is still an accidental transformation.

 

[RAE072]

For some reason I wanted Story's Doom to have a full metallic skin and I always found the mask cheesey. I am kinda happy that in this reboot that they are ditching the mask and gave him a metal face. I also think the cloak works though I think he will eventually get something more elegant, a cape perhaps.

Yeah I hate the defining physical characteristics of great characters too.

Iron Man's helmet mask? So cheesy.

 

[Tony Stark]

This is sort of like when Jon Peters told Kevin Smith that he didn't want him to write any scenes with Superman flying, when Smith was hired for Superman Reborn.

Look, I get that UFF Doom, is a physically deformed individual from the negative zone with metal goat legs and poison breath and shoots metal quills from his skin. I think many of us don't like that interpretation, but I'll give you that it's at least been done.

However in UFF he was never shown to have metal gill lips. And the design pattern on the face looks terrible. Whatever you think of the Tim Story version of Doom, the mask was actually pretty cool looking.

 

[Drz]

Really???? The new "Doom" looks like Dr. Doom to you? On what planet?

The Doom you want will be in the sequel when he becomes a ruler, patience is virtue.

 

[Jason Kane]

The Doom you want will be in the sequel when he becomes a ruler, patience is virtue.

Yet Kebbel has no Goat Legs.

 

[moviedoors]

Yet Kebbel has no Goat Legs.

Yet this does not take away from the fact these renderings share undeniable commonalities.

 

[Jason Kane]

Where's the lie? For Marvel to get the rights Fox would have to let it sit a decade, which is not going to happen. We're getting a sequel in 2017 and possibly a crossover with X-Men soon after.

I'm pretty sure that goes against what agreed to contractually, IIRC.

And the only sequel will be in fanfic form via deviantART. Fox's F4 days are numbered

 

[Eddie]

We're back to "Just wait for the sequel! They'll get it right then!" Really?

As for the idea that Marvel will never get their crack at this character, I'm reminded of a saying about counting chickens. Spider-Man was never going to team up with the Avengers on film until things changed. Fox is developing a show that they cannot make without Marvel permission. Their Fantastic Four film rights package is VERY incomplete even if they make some money now. They don't have the Kree, Namor, the Inhumans, the Black Panther, etc. It's also fairly likely that Simon Kinberg is mistaken in regards to the ability to do a crossover with X-Men. Long term, Fantastic Four at Fox makes no sense. There's a ceiling. A deal could very well happen. It probably WILL happen... we just don't know when.

 

[Picard Stewart]

I'm pretty sure that goes against what agreed to contractually, IIRC.

And the only sequel will be in fanfic form via deviantART. Fox's F4 days are numbered

You're pretty sure lol what studio law firm do you represent?

The crossover's happening and so is the sequel.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

"the doom you want will be in a sequel"

Maybe in ten to fifteen years, when Marvel has their property back and this debacle is relegated to history. Until then we won't be getting anything but DINO in our FFINO.

 

[Eddie]

You're pretty sure lol what studio law firm do you represent?

The crossover's happening and so is the sequel.

Kinberg was talking out of his ass when he said Fox could make a television show with their X-men license so...

 

[Sithborg]

But the mask is a major part of who he is, his conceit, his desire to not show any kind of weakness. Had the mask been closer to a look in the comics it would have been much better, but that is such a important part of the character of Doom, simply having it all organic takes away a major part of Doom.

I can kind of understand why a film maker would shy away from the traditional mask. I don't think it translates well to live action. The open eyes and unmoving mouth is kind of weird. You just have to look at Raimi's Goblin or the other live action Doom.

You would almost be better having the complete face covered, ala Vader.

 

[Kelly]

I can kind of understand why a film maker would shy away from the traditional mask. I don't think it translates well to live action. The open eyes and unmoving mouth is kind of weird. You just have to look at Raimi's Goblin or the other live action Doom.

You would almost be better having the complete face covered, ala Vader.

The entire face is covered with the traditional mask...and actually Vader, is ala Doom.

 

[Kelly]

I do not want to see any more Marvel vs. Fox arguments in here derailing the threads, I see it again people will be taking a vacation from the hype.

 

[Kelly]

On topic...

 

[Tony Stark]

If Doom had a look that resembled UFF doom (minus the goat legs) I could accept that. It's not really what they went for here.

This just looks terrible. IMO.

 

[Sithborg]

The entire face is covered with the traditional mask...and actually Vader, is ala Doom.

I think it's the visible eyes, with a set "expression" on the mask which makes it look weird. Because Shredder originally was good, but with Goblin and Doom, it just doesn't look right. Cover up the eyes, and I think it would work a bit better.

 

[DigificWriter]

If Doom had a look that resembled UFF doom (minus the goat legs) I could accept that. It's not really what they went for here.

According to whom? That image very much resembles Ultimate!Doom (as well as 616!Doom).

 

[Lookhowfunnyiam]

I wish we could all get together and BS about this over a few beers. I think the 'haters' and the supporters might get along better in the real world where things aren't so rigid.

When you read "FFINO", I can understand why it might upset you because, damn it, they're denying your right to believe this is a legitimate Fantastic Four film.

But somebody on the other side may feel similarly when you say: "This IS a Fantastic Four film." because, damn it, you're denying their right say this doesn't have the key elements that should be in a true Fantastic Four film.

Pretty much everything everybody posts here is an opinion, whether they tag it with IMO or not, and I think the best way for both sides to get along is to understand that subtlety and not feel others want to silence them because they disagree.

But sometimes it feels that way when we read these harsh, stark words without the smile or wink that we'd see sitting across a table from someone.

I disagree with some of your opinions on the film, but at least from a longtime lurker's perspective, you're generally one of the more reasonable and respectful posters on either side of the debate. Like your post in the Thing thread about what you didn't like specifically - you said the specific things that you didn't prefer, but didn't begin or end the post by saying that it was Fantastic Four in name only, you didn't quote someone's positive thoughts and insist that it'll be a horrible movie and they're deluding themselves, etc. So I don't see how any poster can have a problem with a properly represented complaint based on what we've literally seen.

I tend to find myself agreeing much more with the positive posters, even though there's certainly some decisions that are worrysome. I get fans of the 616 FF wanting something accurate and feeling like the new film has problems. I get people remembering CBM travesties like Barakapool and seeing the writing on the wall.

But I'm also an X-Men fan first and foremost, that's what I've read the most comics of. And on paper Singer has changed just as much about the X-Men as this film has about the Fantastic Four. And that's just counting major decisions like roster/costumes/relationships in X-Men, not even getting into the whole retcon debacle. But other than the Wolverine movies and The Last Stand (in my opinion, of course) I've thought that the movies have turned out pretty enjoyable.

So even as someone who would be suuuuuuuuuuuuper-cool with a 616-heavy Fantastic Four in the MCU, I refuse to write the entire film off as a travesty and insult based on a couple of interviews and two minutes of footage. If I see the movie and hate it, or critic reviews start coming in and they're universally more on the negative side, then okay.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I disagree with some of your opinions on the film, but at least from a longtime lurker's perspective, you're generally one of the more reasonable and respectful posters on either side of the debate. Like your post in the Thing thread about what you didn't like specifically - you said the specific things that you didn't prefer, but didn't begin or end the post by saying that it was Fantastic Four in name only, you didn't quote someone's positive thoughts and insist that it'll be a horrible movie and they're deluding themselves, etc. So I don't see how any poster can have a problem with a properly represented complaint based on what we've literally seen.

I tend to find myself agreeing much more with the positive posters, even though there's certainly some decisions that are worrysome. I get fans of the 616 FF wanting something accurate and feeling like the new film has problems. I get people remembering CBM travesties like Barakapool and seeing the writing on the wall.

But I'm also an X-Men fan first and foremost, that's what I've read the most comics of. And on paper Singer has changed just as much about the X-Men as this film has about the Fantastic Four. And that's just counting major decisions like roster/costumes/relationships in X-Men, not even getting into the whole retcon debacle. But other than the Wolverine movies and The Last Stand (in my opinion, of course) I've thought that the movies have turned out pretty enjoyable.

So even as someone who would be suuuuuuuuuuuuper-cool with a 616-heavy Fantastic Four in the MCU, I refuse to write the entire film off as a travesty and insult based on a couple of interviews and two minutes of footage. If I see the movie and hate it, or critic reviews start coming in and they're universally more on the negative side, then okay.

While I'd like the idea of Hulk Vs. Thing etc. I actually like the idea of FF in their own Fox universe in some ways. It would be great to have a film every 2 years without them being crowded out by other properties, and with villains like Dr. Doom and Galactus, it would be interesting to have a world in which the FF are the only superheroes (and we don't have to ask: "Well why isn't Thor coming to help?" When Galactus comes knocking, for example.

But I need to see some of the key elements that make the FF special or I can't enjoy it. If they share superficial characteristics with the Fantastic Four but not the important things, it won't be the film I'm hoping for.

But I've held out hope throughout the process even though I haven't seen a lot I liked. The trailer was encouraging and much better than the first, so I'm still hopeful. I feel nearly certain Marvel won't be making an FF film in the next 10 years, so I have to hope for the best.

But no matter how desperately I want it to be good, I can't support it if I don't like what I'm seeing.

Anyway, enough rambling. Welcome!

 

[Lookhowfunnyiam]

While I'd like the idea of Hulk Vs. Thing etc. I actually like the idea of FF in their own Fox universe in some ways. It would be great to have a film every 2 years without them being crowded out by other properties, and with villains like Dr. Doom and Galactus, it would be interesting to have a world in which the FF are the only superheroes (and we don't have to ask: "Well why isn't Thor coming to help?" When Galactus comes knocking, for example.

But I need to see some of the key elements that make the FF special or I can't enjoy it. If they share superficial characteristics with the Fantastic Four but not the important things, it won't be the film I'm hoping for.

But I've held out hope throughout the process even though I haven't seen a lot I liked. The trailer was encouraging and much better than the first, so I'm still hopeful. I feel nearly certain Marvel won't be making an FF film in the next 10 years, so I have to hope for the best.

But no matter how desperately I want it to be good, I can't support it if I don't like what I'm seeing.

Anyway, enough rambling. Welcome!

Thanks! Admittedly,half the reason I'd want FF in the MCU is because it'd open up Avengers possibilities like Galactus, the Kree-Skrull War or Secret Invasion.

 

[Paradox1]

The only reason I'd want FF in the MCU is because outside of Galactus, Silver Surfer's big rogue is Thanos. I'd love to see Surfer vs Thanos play out in the big screen but in the comics it's never really gone well for Norrin Radd. Sometimes writers turn Thanos into this uber villain, that needs the whole universe to defeat. It's a little annoying because on paper SS and him should be on par.