The Amazing Spider-Man I don't know what troubles me more...

[Infinity9999x]

I agree. X3 and SM3 are the two that get the most flak, and neither are nearly as bad as people made them out to be. They both weren't great, but they weren't horrible. The thing that hurt both of those was the anticipation factor. There was tons of hype surrounding both. And not only did they not live up to it, they weren't quite as good as their predecessors. And since people had hyped them up so much, and had such high expectations, they blew it wayyy out of proportion when it didn't meet their standards.

Honestly, the only movie that has met my standards when I got incredibly hyped for it was The Dark Knight. And I know most people probably roll their eyes when they read that, because people have been getting sick about hearing about that movie (understandably, because the reaction to it was so big), but that's my honest opinion.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

This is how I've viewed it. I've enjoyed all of Raimi's films. I thought, as movies, they were good. SM2 was very, very good. However, as an adaptation of one of my favorite characters...it wasn't that great.

I didn't like the overuse of corny humor, the absence of Spider-man's personality, the complete and utter butchering of Mary Jane's character, turning Doc Ock into a "good guy" at heart, the under-use of the supporting cast, and the fact that Spider-man couldn't keep his friggin mask on.

It just wasn't my cup of tea. I think a better movie can be made that's truer to the character I know and love.

Now, that said, do I think Raimi sucks? Heck no. The guy did a lot of things pretty darn well. The train fight scene is still easily the best action sequence in a Superhero film to date. The sense of desperation and overwhelming pressure Pete felt from Spidey and life was perfect as well. But again, I've just never been a fan of how Raimi handled the characters.

Now, the funny thing is, five years ago when I said this I was torn apart, after SM3 there are tons of people who share my opinion. I do feel for the guy, because I was one of the few who thought SM3 wasn't nearly as bad as everyone made it out to be. I actually enjoyed it. But that was because I didn't like SM2 (I was actually quite disappointed in the theatre when I watched it). So when I went in to watch SM3, I didn't have high expectations. I knew it wouldn't have the things I wanted. So I just relaxed and spent a night at the cinema. And you know what? I enjoyed myself. Sure, it wasn't great, but it certainly wasn't a Batman and Robin, Ghost Rider, or even Fantasic Four.

Raimi's a good director even with Spiderman 3 (more on that later). He didn't make it a completely accurate adaptation of Spiderman but it was a good film.

Spiderman 3 had many more bad moments and I didn't really like it, but like you said, its not B&R and I enjoy watching several scenes, but some parts are unbearable.

to be honest there are a few comic book movies that I believe people make out to be worst than they really are

In terms of comic book movies, many directors get the comic book aspect right, but the movie aspect wrong. Comic Book fans will be pleased but GA and the many people that aren't intimately familiar with the source material won't be.

 

[roach]

I agree. Some of my favorite comic book movies are the most hated. I loved the Daredevil Director's Cut, I didnt think Ghost Rider was that bad, I liked the FF movies and Superman Returns is my top movie....I think some of the things we rail against in one movie we let go in another....we applaud Nolan's realism in the Batman films but then complain that Galactus wasnt a giant purple being in FF2.....we get mad that Lex is doing another land grab scheme but no one says a word when Gotham gets gassed yet again in BB

 

[roach]

In terms of comic book movies, many directors get the comic book aspect right, but the movie aspect wrong. Comic Book fans will be pleased but GA and the many people that aren't intimately familiar with the source material won't be.

well my point was some of the movies fanboys consider to be the worst arent as bad as they make them out to be.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Of course. Either extreme is bad imo.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

I wouldnt mind an Ultimate Spider-Man route if they stick with the greatness of like the first 50 to 75 issues...
Maybe no Oz Green Goblin cause it seemed...like a downer on the character
but Ock was a beast in USM until...as someone said before Ockneto came on the scene...
I'm one of the guys that wants a suit that is just like the comics like USM...A lil less flash unlike Raimis was...
and I think Parkers personality in USM was pretty good stuff...very fun hearing his great quips...just please dont let him have that hippie hair! Maybe shy away from hippie Uncle Ben and Aunt May as well...seemed out of place...and the way they handled Kingpin was AMAZING
Wish he could be in one :/

 

[Judge Holden]

I find it funny that the OP says that going the Kick Ass route wouldn't be accurate to Spider-Man...

Then about half way down the page reveals he hasn't read or seen Kick-Ass...

Matthew Vaughn nailed the whole Peter Parker/Spider-Man thing in the first 3rd of Kick-Ass better than Raimi did in all 3 Spider-Man films...

Obviously it is a different story, but the tone, the attitude... it was all perfect for Spider-Man. Until it went all ultra violent of course

 

[Doctor Jones]

I agree. X3 and SM3 are the two that get the most flak, and neither are nearly as bad as people made them out to be. They both weren't great, but they weren't horrible. The thing that hurt both of those was the anticipation factor. There was tons of hype surrounding both. And not only did they not live up to it, they weren't quite as good as their predecessors. And since people had hyped them up so much, and had such high expectations, they blew it wayyy out of proportion when it didn't meet their standards.

Honestly, the only movie that has met my standards when I got incredibly hyped for it was The Dark Knight. And I know most people probably roll their eyes when they read that, because people have been getting sick about hearing about that movie (understandably, because the reaction to it was so big), but that's my honest opinion.

Agreed yeah. SM3 isn't ****, there are at least some qualities that are good where Raimi tried to make good on something he wasn't committed to as he was with the previous films.

Although I think X3 sucks. I really can't think of any redeemable things about that movie. I mean the last shot was great, but other than that, everything was a huge missfire.

 

[roach]

Agreed yeah. SM3 isn't ****, there are at least some qualities that are good where Raimi tried to make good on something he wasn't committed to as he was with the previous films.

Although I think X3 sucks. I really can't think of any redeemable things about that movie. I mean the last shot was great, but other than that, everything was a huge missfire.

Iceman icing up
Kelsey Grammer as Beast

 

[Doc Ock]

Although I think X3 sucks. I really can't think of any redeemable things about that movie. I mean the last shot was great, but other than that, everything was a huge missfire.

I liked the music.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

I find it funny that the OP says that going the Kick Ass route wouldn't be accurate to Spider-Man...

Then about half way down the page reveals he hasn't read or seen Kick-Ass...

Matthew Vaughn nailed the whole Peter Parker/Spider-Man thing in the first 3rd of Kick-Ass better than Raimi did in all 3 Spider-Man films...

Obviously it is a different story, but the tone, the attitude... it was all perfect for Spider-Man. Until it went all ultra violent of course

i agree with all of this...especially the part where i noticed where hes never read ka before lol

 

[Doctor Jones]

Iceman icing up
Kelsey Grammer as Beast

You're right... and the opening scene. But that's about it.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Finally seeing Storm fly.

 

[roach]

Storm leading the Xmen
Multiple Man

 

[Chris Wallace]

I have actually found all the Marvel 3rd acts more enjoyable than not, but am well aware of the mistakes and flaws.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I have actually found all the Marvel 3rd acts more enjoyable than not, but am well aware of the mistakes and flaws.

Agreed. Marvel films almost always end strong.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I find it funny that the OP says that going the Kick Ass route wouldn't be accurate to Spider-Man...

Then about half way down the page reveals he hasn't read or seen Kick-Ass...

Matthew Vaughn nailed the whole Peter Parker/Spider-Man thing in the first 3rd of Kick-Ass better than Raimi did in all 3 Spider-Man films...

Obviously it is a different story, but the tone, the attitude... it was all perfect for Spider-Man. Until it went all ultra violent of course

Now that I have seen Kick-Ass, I couldn't disagree with this statement more. The story of an inept buffoon trying to be a superhero just for the hell of it (which I knew BEFORE seeing it) is not a template to use for the story of a kid trying to juggle the responsibilities of being an actual superhero with maintaining a normal life.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^Overall, I agree. I mean, I liked Kick-Ass, but it in NO WAY nailed Peter Parker/Spider-Man. no way at all.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I hated it. Apart from Big Daddy and Hit Girl, I found the whole thing stupid. It was a major snoozefest.

 

[ModestMr.Green]

I know it isn't exclusive to Kick-Ass, but one thing I'd like to see carried over to Spider-Man is the idea that he's in over his head. I'd like to see Peter go through more trial and error in at least the first act. Maybe have a scene where he's foiling a mugging, and just let the thugs get in two or three lucky swipes. Show him learning he's not untouchable. You know, blah blah, great responsibility.

 

[Don Yoyo]

the idea that some fans want the reboot modeled on Nolan's Batman movies, the push for the "Ultimate" approach or those clamoring for Sony to go the "Kick-Ass" route.

What good would the Nolan's way do to Spidey? All he did was take away the silliest of the chemical and genetic technology of the comics, making Ras Al Ghul a legacy title, the Joker a make-up kind of guy, etc. Batman's vehicles were still extremely silly although in a different way, the technology he uses is outrageous, etc. How could that work for a character who gains his powers from the bite of genetically enhanced spider, fighting enemies doped up with super-soldiers drugs, mechanical tentacles or the ability to manipulate electricity or sand?

I'll give you Green Goblin and Kraven, but Ultimate Ock and Kingpin were amazing. Hands down some of my favorite Kingpin and Ock moments ever were in USM.

And to clairify, I mean Ultimate Ock before them made him Ockneto. Up until that point, ultimate Ock was pure badass.

Doc Ock after the Clone Sage is still badass, the beating he gave to the Green Goblin was grand t: . And the look of those tentacles made out of scrap metal was the best ever, kinda like the movie's ones (especially the claws, heck a cover even had the difference between the lower and higher tentacles's claws).

Green Goblin
Kraven
Shocker
Scorpion
Venom
Carnage
Electro

just to name a few villains who are MUCH worse than their 616 counterparts imo (Electro is not that bad though, but still worse). Sure, Kingpin and pre-Ockneto Ock are cool but the rest suck!

Shocker is great in his "loser" kind of way. It makes you appreciate his big "Who's laughing NOW?" moment in issue 122 even more. Now Peter, we know he's a joke, but even he can device some way to surprise you after you put him out of commission for the ninth time!

 

[Doctor Jones]

Raimi's a good director even with Spiderman 3 (more on that later). He didn't make it a completely accurate adaptation of Spiderman but it was a good film.

Spiderman 3 had many more bad moments and I didn't really like it, but like you said, its not B&R and I enjoy watching several scenes, but some parts are unbearable.



In terms of comic book movies, many directors get the comic book aspect right, but the movie aspect wrong. Comic Book fans will be pleased but GA and the many people that aren't intimately familiar with the source material won't be.

When has any director make a completely accurate adaptation of a comic book movie.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I don't even remember posting that. I guess I meant that people expect completely accurate adaptation and call it terrible when they don't get something that's completely acrruate.

I don't remember where I was going with that comment haha.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Matthew Vaughn nailed the whole Peter Parker/Spider-Man thing in the first 3rd of Kick-Ass better than Raimi did in all 3 Spider-Man films...

No.

When has any director make a completely accurate adaptation of a comic book movie that is not base on on a specific graphic novel.

Fixed.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I hated it. Apart from Big Daddy and Hit Girl, I found the whole thing stupid. It was a major snoozefest.

Yeah. I mean, I don't hate it, but I'm really getting sick of it now.