I Hate Zoos!

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Yeah as someone who has actually gone through the terrible loss of a dog that got killed by a car, I also found it extremely offensive and ignorant. I think he shoots off at the mouth without thinking, this lastson.

 

[zeroapoc]

I think it would be better for OP to be hit by a car than live with a family.

 

[terry78]

But the zoo animals taste the best, though. Bred for flavor.

 

[C. Lee]

I'd rather be run over by a rampaging herd of lemmings than be forced to live with the last son.

 

[jonathancrane]

Seconded. Circuses are a valid point. Zoos are iffy. Depends on the zoo. Some zoos are terrible and cramped, while others are very humane and help keep endangered species from going extinct. But railing against domesticated animals like cats and dogs just makes you sound like someone too eager to get on their high-horse without having any information to back up your claims. lastson, you should have drawn the line at circuses and zoos, because now you just sound like a PETA nut (and you still haven't told us whether you're a vegetarian or not). I'm mentally filing this thread away with the other infamous, misguided threads of the last month, like "women go to hell for getting tattoos" or "Helen Mirren lies to terminal kid that she's the Queen." Some days it seems people start threads for the sake of starting threads and no real thought goes into it, except stirring a controversy.

I have to find this thread. t:

 

[Spider-Aziz]

"I hate Zeus"
I felt like saying it

Why would anyone prefer to be hit by a car than having a family to turn back to? This doesn't make sense
I hate dogs, but I still don't like to the thought of seeing one hit by a car

 

[the last son]

Funny how the moderators can talk smack, but one word from me and it's an infraction. I never stated wanting to see dogs get run down. I may have exaggerated. Point is when you look at a dog as a pet and not friend/family you basically get to feel like a superior to feed your ego.

 

[zeroapoc]

^Internet Psychologist

He's never met you, but he knows you.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Funny how the moderators can talk smack, but one word from me and it's an infraction. I never stated wanting to see dogs get run down. I may have exaggerated. Point is when you look at a dog as a pet and not friend/family you basically get to feel like a superior to feed your ego.

You do realize many treat the animals like their own children? They give them that much love and attention

 

[SuperFerret]

"Pet" has become pretty synonymous with "friend/family", just pertaining to another species.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Does that make it inappropriate to flirt using "My pet"?

 

[SuperFerret]

Do I look like a linguist?

 

[cryptic name]

I think its immoral and wrong to enslave and trap an animal, outside of its natural habitat. Don't give me the animal lives longer jive, I don't want to hear it. As much as I love sharks I will not lower myself to going to a zoo. I hate going to pet stores and seeing animals in cages so small they can barely turn around. I hate that humans own, dogs and animals as pets. My mother has a dog so I go get dog food for him. I would never put a leash on an animal or trap them into bring my friend so I will never have a pet. Humans just have to have power don't they?

Neat.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I always loved the zoo. Seeing animals that I'd only seen on tv or books a few feet in front of me.

But it does seem wrong for a wild animal being imprisoned for years and dying in captivity.

Domestic animals are more comfortable in captivity.

Zoos are mostly filled with wild animals. They can't be too happy being held captive.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Funny how the moderators can talk smack, but one word from me and it's an infraction. I never stated wanting to see dogs get run down. I may have exaggerated. Point is when you look at a dog as a pet and not friend/family you basically get to feel like a superior to feed your ego.

You have an unpopular opinion so people who agree with the mods can openly insult you and break forum rules.

Eventually you'll get emotional and swipe back in frustration being banned in the process.

Just take a breather and come back with a different approach. Who knows, you might "win" the argument at the end of the day.

 

[The Question]

Yes, why, would you want a pet fish? But that is a lower level offense. listen I know this is a messed up world very, very messed up and you only have one life and it sucks that you have to be humans entertainment. If I was a dog I'd rather be hit by a car or eaten by deers than forced upon a family.

The dogs that we keep as pets have been bred to be kept as pets. It's not like they had the opportunity to live in the wild and it was taken away from them, they were born into a domestic setting and are instinctively hardwired for a domestic setting. They don't have the instincts to survive on their own in the wild. Most of them don't even know how to hunt, and that's not because they've never learned due to living in households, it's because that trait was bred out of them hundreds if not thousands of years ago. The ones that do know how to hunt mostly know how to hunt with a human partner. Even stray dogs continue to live in human civilization and survive on food given out or discarded by humans instead of going off into the woods to live as wolves.

Setting a dog out into the wild is significantly more immoral than keeping one as a pet.

 

[Spider-Who?]

I've wanted nothing more in life than to pet a tiger. A friend discovered a small zoo about 4 hours away that let's visitors feed and even hold tiger cubs. Unfortunately, my friend said that the zoo is fairly run down and many of the animals look malnourished and in less than adequate space. I haven't gone because I would probably flip out on the owners. (My friend did complain to zoo staff and filed a report as well).

Zoos, if handled correctly, can be a safe and healthy haven for animals. They're not all tiny cages, poor food and apathetic handlers.

 

[bullets]

WHAT?

I don't agree with how the animals in the above photos are cared for, because those are too small of enclosures. But most zoos I have no problem with. Many zoos do a lot of good, and help species with dwindling numbers. They are far better than many animal shelters taking in domestic animals. Hell, PETAs shelters were euthanizing them by the thousands before law enforcement stepped in, including taking animals they knew had homes and IDs and killing them just because they didn't agree with them being pets.

Good Job PETA

 

[Spider-Who?]

I'm just gonna go ahead and drop these here...

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

and i hate ill informed people who insist that they're opinions are completely right and have no proof to back this opinion up or when they know sfa about the actual facts and good elements the organizations they utterly appose do


but i have to listen to this crap and can do nothing about so i guess that goes for you as well

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

I have no problem with people eating animals. I've recently become a vegetarian and see no problem. That's all part of life. Being on a food chain. But to enslave, is downright wrong. Also, yes, fur and animal djinns, tusks, all that jazz is wrong. I can't get too in-depth I'm on my phone at work. I'm not a nut just don't feel the need to show power over the defenseless. when I walk my, moms dog we jog and he gas no leash.

ummm say again


you are against animal genies

jin·ni or jin·nee also djin·ni or djin·ny (jn, j-n)
n. pl. jinn also djinn (jn)
In Muslim legend, a spirit often capable of assuming human or animal form and exercising supernatural influence over people.

 

[C. Lee]

Funny how the moderators can talk smack, but one word from me and it's an infraction.

I don't see what we said as "talking smack" (I take talking smack as attacking). But let's look anyway to see....

I understand the necessity sometimes to breed an endangered species in captivity to prevent its extinction, but I'm not a big fan of zoos either.

The bears I've seen do nothing but endlessly pace from one end of their enclosure (which is insanely small compared to the vast territories they roam in the wild) to the other, all day long. You can't tell me they're happy.

Hmmm...this mod agrees with you.

I've never seen so many concerned about an animal's supposed "happiness".

I seriously doubt they care, just as long as they're fed.

This one doesn't agree with you, but doesn't talk smack about you. He just says he doubts your concern is something to worry about.

Sounds like some of you need to form HETA. Like PETA, only H for Hypesters.

Here he's commenting about the responses of many people in the thread, not just you.

I love zoos.

Here I am making a simple statement that doesn't agree with you, but doesn't attack you in any way.

Animal happiness hater!

He makes a joke about my post that stated an opposite opinion to yours. It makes reference to the point that you are absolutely against zoos, and since I responded that I love them, I must hate it if animals are happy.

If they can't do the time...they shouldn't do the crime!

I make a joke in reply to the above post directed towards me. Irrelevant but not attacking anyone.

I'd rather be run over by a rampaging herd of lemmings than be forced to live with the last son.

This is another joke in response to your posts of -

If I was a dog I'd rather be hit by a car or eaten by deers than forced upon a family.

I made light of it because it truelly sounded off the wall and more like a joke on your part than anything else.

I never stated wanting to see dogs get run down. I may have exaggerated. Point is when you look at a dog as a pet and not friend/family you basically get to feel like a superior to feed your ego.

You didn't actually say...I want dogs to be ran over by a car....but your statement - if I was a dog I'd rather be hit by a car comes within 99% of being the same.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Point is when you look at a dog as a pet and not friend/family you basically get to feel like a superior to feed your ego.

If you have to compare yourself to a cat in order to feel good about yourself, then you are quite sad - cats eat their own vomit for pete's sake.

A pet is a companion animal. In other words, a "pet" is an animal that is considered a partner/friend, to a human. Typically, those are considered equal, as well as synonymous with being part of the family. That being said, you can (and should) consider your pet to be a friend and family member, but you also need to understand that most pets (dogs and cats especially) must comprehend that you are in control. It's not about feeding some shallow superiority complex, it's about understanding that these animals' actions not only need to be controlled for a plethora of safety and logistical reasons, but that they also function with a pack mentality - there will always be an "alpha" male/female who runs the show, and if it is not the owner, the animal will take that title, which results in bad, even dangerous behavior that causes the majority of pet-related problems one sees. Proper training and attention/affection are essential. Again, it's not a power play - it's our way of interacting with and protecting animals in a way they understand.

It's not enslavement, its a mutual trust and interdependence.

Humans and domesticated animals need each other, plain and simple. It's a symbiotic relationship and has been for thousands of years. Pets are taken care of physically and emotionally by humans as much as humans are taken care of by their pets. Many people cannot function on a daily basis, whether physically or emotionally, without the companionship or help of an animal. In the same vein, pets cannot live without the aide of humans - everything from diseases to predation, food supply and basic aspects of any given location are dangers that the vast majority of pets would fail to overcome without humans looking after them.

Pet ownership in its pure form has nothing to do with superiority; in fact it has everything to do with humility - accepting that you want/need help or companionship, as well as your willingness to put another living being's needs above your own. You need to sacrifice a lot of your time, money, energy in order to properly care for most pets. Your emotions as well - I can't tell you the pain and devastation I felt when my own dog died...I truly did lose my best friend. That type of emotional turmoil you accept as a part of owning a pet is not something you do if "superiority" is your goal.

I would never put a leash on an animal or trap them into bring my friend so I will never have a pet. Humans just have to have power don't they?

Using a leash has nothing to do with "power", and everything to do with keeping the animal (and those around you) safe. If you're walking your dog, you want to make sure it doesn't run out into traffic or hurt/scare other people and animals. It doesn't matter how well trained and nice the animal is, it is a being who will react to any amount of stimuli and events that you cannot predict or otherwise control. By refusing to use a lease, you are doing nothing but putting your mother's dog and others around you in danger, as well as risking your mother's heart being broken if something bad were to happen...all for your false sense of moral authority. There is nothing moral about that. Period.

If the happiness and well being of animals are your concern, then your opinion and stance on pets is GROSSLY astray. A good and loving owner/family is the absolute BEST thing that can happen to any pet - every person who decides to not own a pet equals for more innocent animals living in a pound in terrible conditions until they're eventually euthanized. That being said, not everyone is qualified to own animals, and I'm actually quite relieved that you never plan on it. Based on everything you've said thus far, it's obvious you do not have the emotional and mental capacity to understand very basic truths about the relationship between humans and animals, and pet ownership overall.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

You know, humans may have the capacity for war and other atrocities, but if we lived like animals, or put ourselves down to the level of animals, I doubt we'd have ever accomplished anything in history, and wouldn't have the technology to even debate this topic right now. ....Wait, why are we still debating this?

 

[ProjectPat2280]

If you have to compare yourself to a cat in order to feel good about yourself, then you are quite sad - cats eat their own vomit for pete's sake.

A pet is a companion animal. In other words, a "pet" is an animal that is considered a partner/friend, to a human. Typically, those are considered equal, as well as synonymous with being part of the family. That being said, you can (and should) consider your pet to be a friend and family member, but you also need to understand that most pets (dogs and cats especially) must comprehend that you are in control. It's not about feeding some shallow superiority complex, it's about understanding that these animals' actions not only need to be controlled for a plethora of safety and logistical reasons, but that they also function with a pack mentality - there will always be an "alpha" male/female who runs the show, and if it is not the owner, the animal will take that title, which results in bad, even dangerous behavior that causes the majority of pet-related problems one sees. Proper training and attention/affection are essential. Again, it's not a power play - it's our way of interacting with and protecting animals in a way they understand.

It's not enslavement, its a mutual trust and interdependence.

Humans and domesticated animals need each other, plain and simple. It's a symbiotic relationship and has been for thousands of years. Pets are taken care of physically and emotionally by humans as much as humans are taken care of by their pets. Many people cannot function on a daily basis, whether physically or emotionally, without the companionship or help of an animal. In the same vein, pets cannot live without the aide of humans - everything from diseases to predation, food supply and basic aspects of any given location are dangers that the vast majority of pets would fail to overcome without humans looking after them.

Pet ownership in its pure form has nothing to do with superiority; in fact it has everything to do with humility - accepting that you want/need help or companionship, as well as your willingness to put another living being's needs above your own. You need to sacrifice a lot of your time, money, energy in order to properly care for most pets. Your emotions as well - I can't tell you the pain and devastation I felt when my own dog died...I truly did lose my best friend. That type of emotional turmoil you accept as a part of owning a pet is not something you do if "superiority" is your goal.



Using a leash has nothing to do with "power", and everything to do with keeping the animal (and those around you) safe. If you're walking your dog, you want to make sure it doesn't run out into traffic or hurt/scare other people and animals. It doesn't matter how well trained and nice the animal is, it is a being who will react to any amount of stimuli and events that you cannot predict or otherwise control. By refusing to use a lease, you are doing nothing but putting your mother's dog and others around you in danger, as well as risking your mother's heart being broken if something bad were to happen...all for your false sense of moral authority. There is nothing moral about that. Period.

If the happiness and well being of animals are your concern, then your opinion and stance on pets is GROSSLY astray. A good and loving owner/family is the absolute BEST thing that can happen to any pet - every person who decides to not own a pet equals for more innocent animals living in a pound in terrible conditions until they're eventually euthanized. That being said, not everyone is qualified to own animals, and I'm actually quite relieved that you never plan on it. Based on everything you've said thus far, it's obvious you do not have the emotional and mental capacity to understand very basic truths about the relationship between humans and animals, and pet ownership overall.