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[Kirk Langstrom]

heheh, Captain Stacy, I recall you as well.. it's been sometime since I've posted on these boards on a regular basis. Judging from your spelling of the word "declinning" I would assume you are fellow canadi"en" . heh

Anywho.. while I was simply trying to make a point with my questions..
I'm sure you were trying to be informative.. but the gauntlet has been thrown my ole nemesis, and I must answer the call of (horn blows) COMIC BOOK BOARD DEBATE!!!!!!

1) While it is true comic book sales have declined in general, it is apparent, that the Spiderman books in general have suffered the most. The restructuring of all the Spiderman books, ending of titles (web of..etc) the retconning of story lines past etc. The general consensus of every guy I talk to while in the various comic book stores I still actually frequent. It's always the same thing. Spiderman especially the run by my once beloved JMS, are the WORST RUN IN THE HISTORY OF SPIDEY! Why?

I understand and respect JMS as a writer who requires freedom to write interesting stories. However when dealing with an established character, there are certain rules one must respect, and adhere to.

While sales of ASM may have "doubled" I'm sure that the current sales are still well below the sales before even Todd's run on the book. And I just realised this particular point may be moot, for if factor in the price of books and amount of books printed between said periods, it may factor out even.

2)Okay sales of USM no longer outsell ASM. I wonder why? Could it be the Civil War, or Peter unmasking himself, (a book even I had to buy just to actually believe Marvel had gone and done another "why I stopped reading Spiderman" reason)

hmm.. I wonder?

....HUH?

 

[hex]

....HUH?

Um.. I'm assuming you don't understand the point counter point I was trying to establish in answer to your 1) and 2) comments from your previous posts.

sigh.. I do indeed remember you..

 

[hex]

Hes a ****** because he thinks USM sucks? Wow

sigh.. okay.. he is mentally handicapped.. is that okay?:heart:

 

[Venom 1988]

sigh.. okay.. he is mentally handicapped.. is that okay?:heart:

No i didnt really give a **** that u used the word ******. I think its just BS to call someone that for saying that a comic sucks. And while were at it, might as well say that I think USM sucks as well. First 6 arcs were solid, then it went downhill(with the exception of the Hollyowood arc).

 

[hex]

No i didnt really give a **** that u used the word ******. I think its just BS to call someone that for saying that a comic sucks. And while were at it, might as well say that I think USM sucks as well. First 6 arcs were solid, then it went downhill(with the exception of the Hollyowood arc).

Actually I happen to agree with you, I simply like to wax poetic with an "un P.C." mouth. Apologies.

I did like the Peter, Kitty Pryde tryst. But I agree that USM has gone down hill a bit.

For that matter, so did Spider-Girl (the only spidey book I still follow).

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Um.. I'm assuming you don't understand the point counter point I was trying to establish in answer to your 1) and 2) comments from your previous posts.

sigh.. I do indeed remember you..

Sorry. I dont remember YOU at all.

(Glad i made such a big impression on you though. )

 

[hex]

Sorry. I dont remember YOU at all.

(Glad i made such a big impression on you though. )

heheh, 275 can do that to someone.. hope you are able to understand that

actually I just realized you didn't even get my razz.. sigh.. nevermind.. oiy..

 

[Shin-Natsume]

actually i think usm has maybe two not so good arcs, the rest is top..
but thats my opinion, opinions are like ********s everyone has one...

back to topic...

the thing is, that peters personality changed, alienating his reasons to be spider-man. this had something to do with a change of his life...

i mean, he became spider-man to accept his responsibility. however, he learned time after time that its either not his responsibility, or that he misinterprets whats his fault and whats not or that he simply has no choice anyway. so instead of adpating the character to stay to his roots, they twirled aroudn with his history.

in the end, the spider-man now is nothing like the spider-man back then. because with adapting his background, they adapted his childhood to ours. this means, by growing up completely different now, he is anotehr character than he was 20 years ago.

so if you want your old spider-man back, ground him into a special year, say, 1970 and only tell stories that play in that era. either that or tweak his characterisation or origins to a timeless standard. something stan did so well and writers after him screwed over...

thats why every storyline since years didnt work andthats why OMD is going to blow. tehy shouldnt undo the last twenty years they should undo the current characterisation-.-

 

[dan1]

heheh, 275 can do that to someone.. hope you are able to understand that

actually I just realized you didn't even get my razz.. sigh.. nevermind.. oiy..

Hey Hex,

I got and appreciated the Razz.

 

[uchiha_itachi]

what year is it in the MU?

 

[spider greg]

what year is it in the MU?

As far as I know it's ambiguous.

 

[uchiha_itachi]

i suppose it must be, cos of the whole time goes slower in the MU.

 

[hex]

actually i think usm has maybe two not so good arcs, the rest is top..
but thats my opinion, opinions are like ********s everyone has one...

back to topic...

the thing is, that peters personality changed, alienating his reasons to be spider-man. this had something to do with a change of his life...

i mean, he became spider-man to accept his responsibility. however, he learned time after time that its either not his responsibility, or that he misinterprets whats his fault and whats not or that he simply has no choice anyway. so instead of adpating the character to stay to his roots, they twirled aroudn with his history.

in the end, the spider-man now is nothing like the spider-man back then. because with adapting his background, they adapted his childhood to ours. this means, by growing up completely different now, he is anotehr character than he was 20 years ago.

so if you want your old spider-man back, ground him into a special year, say, 1970 and only tell stories that play in that era. either that or tweak his characterisation or origins to a timeless standard. something stan did so well and writers after him screwed over...

thats why every storyline since years didnt work andthats why OMD is going to blow. tehy shouldnt undo the last twenty years they should undo the current characterisation-.-

You make an interesting point, I understand now what you were trying to convey. If I were to compare old me to current me, we would cast contrasting shadows. There in lies my argument. I'm still the same guy, despite years of hardship or drama etc..

Stan and many writers did what most writers do, which is to remain true to the core of who spiderman was. And not just Spidey, but all of the cast of characters in his family. Unfortunately with all the retconning, and years of turning a blind eye to established character history, the spiderman books have diminished in quality. Much like the Simpsons.

I apologize to you Shin, if I derailed the intent of your original post.

Cheers

 

[hex]

Hey Hex,

I got and appreciated the Razz.

Thanks Dan1, much appreciated. Incidentally I remember you too.

It's been almost 7 years since my original posts bearing the "why Spiderman sucks now" anthem.. And it's quite sad to see every two years or so that I return, the primary reason why Spiderbooks still sell remains..

That last part requires one to read between the lines.. If you get me.. my hat goes off to ya.

-Adieu for you and you and you

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

Unfortunately with all the retconning, and years of turning a blind eye to established character history the spiderman books have diminished in quality.

Cheers

There's precisely the root of all evil... the abuse of the retcon and the blatant disregard of continuity...
Why do they make events that they're going to retcon immediately?
(Yes I know the answer... shock value and generate buzz that translates into $$$, but still why must they keep on shoving a square peg in a round hole when they know it won't fit?)

 

[Dangerous]

delete.

 

[Dangerous]

and yes Dangerous is a ******, if he thinks USM sucks.. Tho' lately I have to admit... the storylines are a little disappointing.

Actually it's the other way round.
You are the ****** because you can't deal with someone having a different opinion.


-It will always be seen as inferior by true Spidey fans.
Yes some real fans on here like it,- ..it just means they have bad taste, heh.
Others understand it is a stinky turd.

-'Spider-Man' is written as a complete ***** in the book, nothing like as tough or independent as the real 16 yr old Spidey was back in the day. Aside from Spidey not being as hard, one of Peter's other greatest assets- his industrious strength, is severely reduced to the point where the character is no longer recognizable as PP:SM. Gwen Stacy carry’s a knife around huh?, ..talk about missing the point.

-It was designed for newbs who liked Spider-Man but were potentially put off by the complexities of 38 years of continuity. Consequently a good percentage, maybe even majority of readers- are newbs, who's only Spidey book is USM. Thus their opinion is void.

-Aside from compromising the strength of PP’s character/ Spidey’s toughness, and some of the supporting cast being butchered,- many of the villains are often redesigned a lot worse for wear. I’m not even gonna talk about the Green Goblin, but anyone who digs that- I pity the fool.

 

[Donald Thomas]

Couple of things:

1) Comics sales in general have been declinning since Maximum Carnage (i.e; the spectator-boom of the early 90's), however; sales on Amazing Spider-Man have doubled since Joe Straczynski took over, and have remained there...


2) Sales figures for July have Amazing Spider-Man at #10, and Ultimate Spider-Man at #24... USM hasnt out-sold ASM in awhile.

Aloha,
I've been noticing that trend as well. A few years ago, USM was outselling ASM, not anymore.
Because comics are both a literary and art form, peolpe will always have the right to their opinion regarding the direction of the character.But sales is what Marvel is looking at. Sales of Amazing Spider-Man have gone up under JMS.He's officially gone in a month or two. Soon Dan Slott will get the ball. I'm pulling for his long term success.
Spidey rules

 

[Gabbra49]

Yea donald im hoping Dan slott can clean up the mess that will be left for him.

 

[hex]

Actually it's the other way round.
You are the ****** because you can't deal with someone having a different opinion.


-It will always be seen as inferior by true Spidey fans.
Yes some real fans on here like it,- ..it just means they have bad taste, heh.
Others understand it is a stinky turd.

-'Spider-Man' is written as a complete ***** in the book, nothing like as tough or independent as the real 16 yr old Spidey was back in the day. Aside from Spidey not being as hard, one of Peter's other greatest assets- his industrious strength, is severely reduced to the point where the character is no longer recognizable as PP:SM. Gwen Stacy carry’s a knife around huh?, ..talk about missing the point.

-It was designed for newbs who liked Spider-Man but were potentially put off by the complexities of 38 years of continuity. Consequently a good percentage, maybe even majority of readers- are newbs, who's only Spidey book is USM. Thus their opinion is void.

-Aside from compromising the strength of PP’s character/ Spidey’s toughness, and some of the supporting cast being butchered,- many of the villains are often redesigned a lot worse for wear. I’m not even gonna talk about the Green Goblin, but anyone who digs that- I pity the fool.

lol. I was merely poking fun. No offense with "******" statement. You have valid points, and yes Green Goblin's redesign is much left to be desired..

however original 16yr old spidey was a bookworm, and yeah a *****, so actually that's the same. He was a wimp. Anywho let's just say both books concurrently suck.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

they bth suck, but USM is still a cheap knock off... But I still don't get jokesada... He wants an ageless Spidey that is not married, eternally young-charlie brown like Peter... Isn't that what USM is?

 

[Venom 1988]

they bth suck, but USM is still a cheap knock off... But I still don't get jokesada... He wants an ageless Spidey that is not married, eternally young-charlie brown like Peter... Isn't that what USM is?

According to Quesada tho, Ultimate Spider-Man cant do things like watch porn or have sex

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

Well he SHOULD not... but if Ultimate Peter wants to avoid the pr0n, he should avoid teh internets... there are greater perils on teh internets than pr0n... there are ...

Spoiler

FANBOYS!!!

and there is the usual pron link that escapes through the safety filters that the web browsers have...
About the sex... Ultimate Peter should avoid that otherwise he'd end up in the Ultimate Maury Povich show... I can see it now Who's my super powered baby's father?
Maury: "Peter you ARE NOT The Father"
Then we get 20 pages of Peter doing the Tobey Dance from S-M3... Meanwhile MJ is crying in a corner...

 

[Venom 1988]

lol

 

[Shin-Natsume]

As far as I know it's ambiguous.

actually, its 2004, 2005 by now, probably going into 2006 by the end of the year

you know this if you read the ultimates, who have bush as president (clearly visible) stating that he is in his second term...