Fant4stic I think this deserves its own thread...Josh Trank denounces Fantastic Four

[Whiskey Tango]

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[Lencho01]

Any cast member could've said that.

 

[Flint Marko]

My vote would be Teller.
If Trank really did think that this would be the best superhero movie ever, why would he disown it several days later on Twitter? Or am I wasting time trying to make sense of this.

 

[S. Grundy]

I don't know, rumor was Mara was on his **** list throughout filming.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Yeah, Trank is misunderstood; not a destructive addict who managed to piss off EVERYONE in the process including a rival studio (Lucasfilm). It was all the big bad corporation.

Denial is still running strong.


Real talk: Fox probably slashed the budget because Tranq was already wasting money.

It's always the studios fault, like a business wanting to make money is a bad thing.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

This could be ******** but my feeling is that the dailies were poor so Fox went in on him harder than they have been lately. I could be completely wrong but those are my thoughts right now.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I am more on Fox's side than anything because I don't he studios like it is popular to do. But what is going on the past day where an email from Trank was released and a snarky reply from an actor as well. It seems rather convenient.

 

[lordofthenerds]

It's always the studios fault, like a business wanting to make money is a bad thing.

Who said that?

It's not an anti-corporation thing. Most people here don't hate all studios. Just the studios that screw up the Fantastic Four three times, and have shown an overall lack of concern or effort with these characters. That's why there's ill will towards Fox right now.

 

[lordofthenerds]

If Trank really did think that this would be the best superhero movie ever, why would he disown it several days later on Twitter? Or am I wasting time trying to make sense of this.

It's just Trank being Trank.

Trank: Fantastic Four is better than 99% of the superhero movies out there!
Fant4stic scores a 9% on RT.

Trank: ... actually, yeah, this version is utter ****. What I meant was, my cut was great... You'll probably never see it. Thatsrealitytho.
The "Trank Cut" leaks online, and gets universally panned.

Trank: Yeah, yeah. Ok, some Fox suits turned every cut of the movie into garbage... But I wrote a brilliant script, I swear!
His draft leaks. It's even worse than the "Trank Cut".

Trank: It was all that Slater kid! Studio had me working with some idiot named Jeremy Slater. Read my treatment. THAT was good stuff!
Trank's treatment leaks. Just as terrible.

Trank: Goddamit! Well at some point, when I was brainstorming Fantastic Four in my head... it was great.

 

[Tehmeh]

That e-mail thing just seems like it's made up. Not going to take any clickbait with "anonymous sources" seriously at this point.

Every now and then, while it's still fun to revel in this drama, we'll get crappy articles which consist of recaps of the drama so far, with about 20 words of vague "new information". I hate the state of media and this clickbait culture with extreme passion.

Not saying it can't be true, nor that Trank is some misunderstood saint genius, but this is exactly why I use adblock and noscript.

 

[Snow Queen]

It's not some tabloid, it's the Hollywood Reporter. I'll take their word on it.

 

[TheVileOne]

Just how it is. I am sure some of the sources are real, but if they were named, they could probably be blacklisted or lose their jobs or not get hired again.

 

[Orba]

The Hollywood Reporter talks about Fox burying its head in the sand but then what was Kinberg doing? He was the Producer and Writer, he was onset every day so he would have seen everything that was going on yet apparently he did nothing to fix it. He was there as Fox's representative.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The media has always functioned by using unnamed sources. That's not a new thing and it is a useful tactic.

Obviously Trank and Fox's people are playing the media. The real stories I pay attention to are the one's in which blame is assigned to both parties. Fox is a giant business with a crapload of money and they greenlighted Fantastic Rights Grab so obviously they aren't innocent. Trank has shown how unstable and foolish he is and got himself fired off of Star Wars so we know his ass isn't innocent either.

 

[Tehmeh]

The media has always functioned by using unnamed sources. That's not a new thing and it is a useful tactic.

Of course, sometimes and often people need protection. Especially useful in investigative political journalism, or exposing any kind of corruption. But this is just gossip. Look at the way these articles are crafted too. To me, it's too often just low-effort clickbait with no reason to always tell the truth.

And yes, I realize that's what entertainment publications - even the better ones - often are and why it is how it is.

I'm getting old and grumpy. Time to take the cane and go outside. I left something in the trenches.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Don't get me wrong, the media used to view anonymous sources with far more skepticism than they do today. But they're still useful when those sources could get fired otherwise. There's a good reason for anonymity today. I trust what John Campea and the people at Collider video were saying when they said they spoke to several independent sources who confirmed the same information. That's when things start to get bolstered. The credibility of the journalist is still on the line because they could be making it up, but it's hard to find a better alternative besides "don't report anything." And, for obvious reasons, that's not in a journalist's job description.

 

[Dark Raven]

Hollywood Reporter's autopsy of the film.

http://www.salon.com/2015/08/12/the...se_nobody_should_escape_scrutiny_on_this_one/

A quote from the article:

A few days before the film opened, director Josh Trank emailed the cast and crew to say the film was “better than 99 percent of the comic-book movies ever made,” to which of the castmembers responded “I don’t think so.” (Miles Teller, if this was you, I am so sorry for making fun of that time you compared your penis to a highball glass).

It's just Trank being Trank.

Trank: Fantastic Four is better than 99% of the superhero movies out there!
Fant4stic scores a 9% on RT.

Trank: ... actually, yeah, this version is utter ****. What I meant was, my cut was great... You'll probably never see it. Thatsrealitytho.
The "Trank Cut" leaks online, and gets universally panned.

Trank: Yeah, yeah. Ok, some Fox suits turned every cut of the movie into garbage... But I wrote a brilliant script, I swear!
His draft leaks. It's even worse than the "Trank Cut".

Trank: It was all that Slater kid! Studio had me working with some idiot named Jeremy Slater. Read my treatment. THAT was good stuff!
Trank's treatment leaks. Just as terrible.

Trank: Goddamit! Well at some point, when I was brainstorming Fantastic Four in my head... it was great.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Everyone's to blame, but if those latest reports are true, Trank has some big personality disorder thing going on, that's what we call a full blown meltdown.

 

[TalismanRing]

The Hollywood Reporter talks about Fox burying its head in the sand but then what was Kinberg doing? He was the Producer and Writer, he was onset every day so he would have seen everything that was going on yet apparently he did nothing to fix it. He was there as Fox's representative.

He wasn't on set every day. He was working on other projects at the same time, namely Star Wars and Apocalypse. The producer is not a babysitter that is there 24/7. The director is in charge of the set.

But it does look like Kinsberg (and maybe Vaughn) was too hands off with a relatively new director and should have been looking at the dailies more closely. Especially if they reportedly had misgivings about the project and him as director before he even started filming.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

My problem is Fox calling it a disaster makes me think of something like Gorilla 98. Top to bottom bad.
Except most of the reviews call out the one year later as the problem (not that the first half didn't have problems) but how they cut up the film and didn't even try to make a second act is weird to me.What was in that original second act after they got back?

 

[TeeKay]

I think I read somewhere that in Tranks original script it was a 3 year gap lol

 

[Zarex]

My vote would be Teller.
If Trank really did think that this would be the best superhero movie ever, why would he disown it several days later on Twitter? Or am I wasting time trying to make sense of this.

I'm going with Tim Blake Nelson. He's been around awhile, has been in some great films and had a key role in another superhero reboot. I'm thinking he sniffed this one out fairly early on.

 

[C. Lee]

I think I read somewhere that in Tranks original script it was a 3 year gap lol

I read that in one article too.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think I read somewhere that in Tranks original script it was a 3 year gap lol

If he got Edgar Wright to do a script polish on it, it would be a 10 year gap.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Trank claimed (and he could very well have been lying) a two hour ten minute first cut. But now reports are saying it had no ending?