The Dark Knight Rises I will answer this question one day. But not today.

[aandfrugby25]

When gordon spoke the line in TDK "five dead two of them cops" the numbers dont add up. We dont know who the second cop was that was killed by Dent. When asked to answer this question in a bluray live event Nolan said he will answer this question one day. but not today. I was personally under the impression that this was a mess up and his way of saving face.

So do you guys think that this will be something that will really be addressed in the Dark Knight Rises and if so what are the possible implications?

 

[joker1524]

yeah i always thought of that as well...weird

 

[Banana-Hotdog]

I like to think that Jonah or Chris have had enough time to think up a way to address this in Rises. I mean, it's a question that's really irritated batfans. It's the one plothole that we've all debated since the movie came out.
Plus, with Batman on the run, I'm sure it will have to come up... I mean... it's just gotta! Doesn't it? Yes! ...maybe...hopefully...It's gotta!

 

[aandfrugby25]

I often wonder if they do address it, was it planned from the beginning or was it a mistake they wanted to fix?

 

[Micah12345]

It might have just been referring to two-faces actions off-screen, and nolan didn't remember and just gave a non-answer.

 

[aandfrugby25]

Could be i think Nolan is to good of a director to reference something that happened off screen though

 

[Boom]

It used to bother me, but now I really don't care.

 

[Agent of Chaos]

The way I see it, "the five dead, two of them cops" adds up:

1.) Wuertz (Cop)
2.) Sal Maroni's Passenger (and if you argue that he only knocked the passenger unconscious, we can assume Dent murdered the bartender that served Wuertz (off-screen)).
3.) Sal Maroni's driver
4.) Sal Maroni himself
5.) Detective Ramirez (COP) (Again, Ramirez was NOT killed. The GCPD, however, have reason to believe that she was murdered since she was nowhere to be found. Dent specifically targeted Wuertz and Ramirez during the early rooftop scene, so Gordon could have assumed Dent got Ramirez after he finished Wuertz. This one's a bit vague but really it's the only plausible assumption IMO.)

I'd definitely like to see the issue come up in TDKR though.

 

[Banana-Hotdog]

The way I see it, "the five dead, two of them cops" adds up:

1.) Wuertz (Cop)
2.) Sal Maroni's Passenger (and if you argue that he only knocked the passenger out, we can assume Dent murdered the bartender that served Wuertz (off-screen)).
3.) Sal Maroni's driver
4.) Sal Maroni himself
5.) Detective Ramirez (COP) (Again, Ramirez was NOT killed. The GCPD, however, have reason to believe that she was murdered since she was nowhere to be found. Dent targeted Wuertz and Ramirez during the early rooftop scene. So Gordon could have assumed Dent got Ramirez after he finished Wuertz. This one's a bit vague but really it's the only plausible assumption IMO.

I dunno. I'd just like to see the issue come up in TDKR for some specificity.

This is what I always figured as well. Perhaps Ramirez will show up in TDKR. She is, after all, the one person out there who knows that it was Harvey running around offing Maroni and the cops and not the Joker.

 

[Micah12345]

I don't think it was really presented as a dangling plotline. If it was supposed to be, it would make it like the only one. As nolan's said before, these are self-contained movies. Leaving a detail like that for a sequel which he didn't even know he was gonna make would be a little strange.

 

[Anchor_Content]

The way I see it, "the five dead, two of them cops" adds up:

1.) Wuertz (Cop)
2.) Sal Maroni's Passenger (and if you argue that he only knocked the passenger unconscious, we can assume Dent murdered the bartender that served Wuertz (off-screen)).
3.) Sal Maroni's driver
4.) Sal Maroni himself
5.) Detective Ramirez (COP) (Again, Ramirez was NOT killed. The GCPD, however, have reason to believe that she was murdered since she was nowhere to be found. Dent specifically targeted Wuertz and Ramirez during the early rooftop scene, so Gordon could have assumed Dent got Ramirez after he finished Wuertz. This one's a bit vague but really it's the only plausible assumption IMO.)

I'd definitely like to see the issue come up in TDKR though.

This never bothered me. The second cop to which Gordon referred: the cop that the Joker killed in Dent's room at Gotham General. No one knew that the Joker had been with Dent, and the corpse's incineration in the hospital explosion left only one culprit: Dent, the one patient who escaped and quickly murdered four other people.

 

[Boom]

Ramirez really lucked out. With Dent dead, there's no one to implicate her in Rachel's abduction/murder.

 

[Micah12345]

Ramirez really lucked out. With Dent dead, there's no one to implicate her in Rachel's abduction/murder.

Well since dent made her trick gordon's wife, then it raises the question of what she was doing with two-face. You're right that they wouldn't be able to convict her of anything, but word would probly get around.

 

[Agent of Chaos]

This never bothered me. The second cop to which Gordon referred: the cop that the Joker killed in Dent's room at Gotham General. No one knew that the Joker had been with Dent, and the corpse's incineration in the hospital explosion left only one culprit: Dent, the one patient who escaped and quickly murdered four other people.

Nice.

 

[TheBatman072]

This never bothered me. The second cop to which Gordon referred: the cop that the Joker killed in Dent's room at Gotham General. No one knew that the Joker had been with Dent, and the corpse's incineration in the hospital explosion left only one culprit: Dent, the one patient who escaped and quickly murdered four other people.

Well done.

 

[Agent of Chaos]

UPDATED LIST:
1.) Wuertz (Cop)
2.) Sal Maroni's Passenger (and if you argue that he only knocked the passenger unconscious, we can assume Dent murdered the bartender that served Wuertz (off-screen)).
3.) Sal Maroni's driver
4.) Sal Maroni himself
5.) The cop that the Joker killed in Dent's room at Gotham General. No one knew that the Joker had been with Dent, and the corpse's incineration in the hospital explosion left only one culprit: Dent. (And if that's too vague for you, we can assume Gordon was actually referring to Detective Ramirez. Again, Ramirez was NOT killed. The GCPD, however, have reason to believe that she was murdered since she was nowhere to be found. Dent specifically targeted Wuertz and Ramirez during the early rooftop scene, so Gordon could have assumed Dent got Ramirez after he finished Wuertz.)

So if the issue is not brought up in TDKR...the list above shows why.

 

[Caped Crusader]

I always wonder if Gordon counted Dent as one of the five.

 

[Octoberist]

I really don't think they'll directly address it.

 

[Banana-Hotdog]

This never bothered me. The second cop to which Gordon referred: the cop that the Joker killed in Dent's room at Gotham General. No one knew that the Joker had been with Dent, and the corpse's incineration in the hospital explosion left only one culprit: Dent, the one patient who escaped and quickly murdered four other people.

The only problem I have with this is that it's such a simple answer that I don't see why Nolan wouldn't have just said, in the blu-ray live event, "Remember to count the cop in Dent's hospital room."

I mean, Nolan took the time to answer a lot of simple and sometimes stupid questions. One person even asked something like "Why does Joker use a knife?" and Nolan answered it! So why is it that when he was asked about our 5 dead 2 of them cops debacle he gave such a cryptic answer?

 

[infamous]

Carve a SMILE I agreed 100% with your FIRST assessment.

5 Dead, 2 of them cops.

Maroni
Body Guard
Driver

Gordon knew Wuertz and Ramirez were dirty and most likely involved in Dent/Rachel's capture and knew Dent knew it too.

Wuertz
Ramirez

Gordon assumes he killed them both.

It may sound unfair to the decency of Gordon but I doubt he even put those 2 cops into consideration, they were beat cops and weren't even accounted for. I'm sure he knew ramirez and wuertz were out of commission as they were his top detectives and unavailable.. at the point where he sees dent he puts 2 and 2 together, figures he killed them both.

 

[Agent of Chaos]

Carve a SMILE I agreed 100% with your FIRST assessment.

5 Dead, 2 of them cops.

Maroni
Body Guard
Driver

Gordon knew Wuertz and Ramirez were dirty and most likely involved in Dent/Rachel's capture and knew Dent knew it too.

Wuertz
Ramirez

Gordon assumes he killed them both.

It may sound unfair to the decency of Gordon but I doubt he even put those 2 cops into consideration, they were beat cops and weren't even accounted for. I'm sure he knew ramirez and wuertz were out of commission as they were his top detectives and unavailable.. at the point where he sees dent he puts 2 and 2 together, figures he killed them both.

t:

 

[General Vulcun]

I'm sure it'll be addressed. Batman's innocense, his redeemed relationship with the people of Gotham, will ultimately come down to the news getting out. Would they mention the victims without at least divulging their names, or some of their names?

 

[Infinity9999x]

This is what I always figured as well. Perhaps Ramirez will show up in TDKR. She is, after all, the one person out there who knows that it was Harvey running around offing Maroni and the cops and not the Joker.

This could be interesting. If they think Ramirez is dead, and she returns with the intention of outing Gordon's lie, that could be a big plot point.

 

[Ponco_87]

here's a question which non related but still bothers me anyway. When rachel was held and was about to blown up, she was trying to tell something to harvey about someone, the exact words if i remember correctly " alright, listen, some.....BOOOOOOOOM.." Anyone knows what she's trying to say?

 

[IamtheBatman]

The way I see it, "the five dead, two of them cops" adds up:

1.) Wuertz (Cop)
2.) Sal Maroni's Passenger (and if you argue that he only knocked the passenger unconscious, we can assume Dent murdered the bartender that served Wuertz (off-screen)).
3.) Sal Maroni's driver
4.) Sal Maroni himself
5.) Detective Ramirez (COP) (Again, Ramirez was NOT killed. The GCPD, however, have reason to believe that she was murdered since she was nowhere to be found. Dent specifically targeted Wuertz and Ramirez during the early rooftop scene, so Gordon could have assumed Dent got Ramirez after he finished Wuertz. This one's a bit vague but really it's the only plausible assumption IMO.)

I'd definitely like to see the issue come up in TDKR though.

What about the two cops Joker killed and the cops that were killed in the explosion at the police precinct?