The Dark Knight i will get FA-LAMED for this but i think Robin SHOULD be in film 3!

[AnimeJune]

He was 8 not a teenager when he decided that.

And being eight instead of 18 makes him smarter HOW?

 

[trustyside-kick]

Yes and if he wants to do crack then I give him some?

Only on Tuesday nights between the hours of 9:45pm and 10:05pm.

Lol jk.

 

[trustyside-kick]

And being eight instead of 18 makes him smarter HOW?

I never said it was. I was just saying that he was 8 cause you mentioned teenager wanted to do stupid things.

 

[StorminNorman]

To corrupt a child and involve him in a wacko personal fight against crime? Reasonable?

No, however if the child is already (what you say is) "corrupted", already dedicated to fight injustice then it would be more tha nresonable to take him in and train him. Atleast with guidence and training Bruce can make sure he knows what he is doing and can watch out for him.

 

[StorminNorman]

True - but teenagers always want to do stupid, crazy things when they're angry. Batman, by encouraging it, is not being very responsible.

Batman would have little choice, (in my version of a "Nolan Robin") Dick Grayson would already vow to avenge his parents, with or without Bruce's help.

 

[batmaluco]

of the feline type perhaps???

Precisely!

 

[tw9876z]

I actually highly suspect he will be in number 3. Why? dent becomes two-face, we probably will have a long halloween scenerio going on in the movie and the sequel comic had robin. I suspect taht in number 3 batman will need something to be part of the movie, with two face probably doing what he does in TLH throwing in dick grayson will give batman more screen time, he needs a reason in the films, i wouldnt be surprised if catwoman appeared in the second to be a consistent love interest throughout the films, but with dent going bad batman would want redemption and robin would be part of that. I think robin will be the climax of the series ending there, and if it goes on I would like to see robin get killed. This series needs continuity, unlike the old. Also this series wants batman to have emotional dealings with whats happening, not just new villians appearing. This series will try to do continuity properly and the team working on it seems to care which gives me faith in the future films

 

[El Payaso]

No, however if the child is already (what you say is) "corrupted", already dedicated to fight injustice then it would be more tha nresonable to take him in and train him. Atleast with guidence and training Bruce can make sure he knows what he is doing and can watch out for him.

So if a 14 y.o. girl is totally determined to be prostitute, i should train her because she's doing it anyway? At least with guidance she will choose the right clients and with training she could succeed as a satisfying ****e??

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Tim Burton's Batman is the only one who beds the girl. Schumacher's semigay and Nolan's too girly about Rachel. Let her to slap him twice and SHE had to kiss Bruce at the end.

So don't you ever say that again.

You don't think Bruce bagged those two supermodels he was dating in BB? If he didn't do the deed, don't you think that would go against the image he's trying to project?

He didn't do Rachel because he cared about her and he knew he couldn't commit. Call that girly if you want. I call it honest.

True - but teenagers always want to do stupid, crazy things when they're angry. Batman, by encouraging it, is not being very responsible.

You didn't read that thing I posted. Suppose for a moment that Batman doesn't help Dick avenge the Flying Graysons. How's he going to keep Dick from trying to do it on his own?

Yes and if he wants to do crack then I give him some?

Of course not, but you can't lock him in his room and keep him under constant surveillance 24x7x365. How do you keep a kid from doing crack? You teach him the truth about drugs. And you don't shy away from talking to him about it, you don't stunt his social life. You teach him the difference between right and wrong. TEACH.

So if a 14 y.o. girl is totally detrermined to be prostitute, i should train her because she's doing it anyway? At least with guidance she will choose the right clients and with training she could succeed as a ****e??

Well, how exactly do you propose to stop her from being a ****e? You gonna chain her up in her room? What are going to do to stop her? In my opinion a girl who wants to sell her body for money is already damaged. I don't think you can fix her. Life is not a Julia Roberts movie.

For that matter, she's better off turning tricks with a "respectable" escort service than she is standing on a street corner and giving her money to a pimp who beats the everloving crap out of her on a semi-regular basis, isn't she?

 

[StorminNorman]

So if a 14 y.o. girl is totally determined to be prostitute, i should train her because she's doing it anyway? At least with guidance she will choose the right clients and with training she could succeed as a satisfying ****e??

There is a slight difference there, however if you yourself were a master hooker and you saw a piece of yourself in this girl and think she can be a great hooker than I assume yes, you would train her - give her guidance, etc. You are asking what a sane (or reasonably sane) person would do, I do not think Bruce Wayne exactly qualifies.

 

[trustyside-kick]

So if a 14 y.o. girl is totally determined to be prostitute, i should train her because she's doing it anyway? At least with guidance she will choose the right clients and with training she could succeed as a satisfying ****e??

Your examples are way too exaggerated.

 

[El Payaso]

You don't think Bruce bagged those two supermodels he was dating in BB? If he didn't do the deed, don't you think that would go against the image he's trying to project?

No, the image doesn't imply to do the deed. Thats' why Bruce Wayne is supposed to drink ginger ale as champagne and not actual champagne in the comics.

In BB Wayne is not even interested in learning polo, so it's not strange he used those models just to project an image.

When Rachel saw him with the models he went all girly and shy about it. That's probably not emo but it's on the way.

In best cases we don't know about Bale's Bruce but we do about Keats' Bruce.

He didn't do Rachel because he cared about her and he knew he couldn't commit. Call that girly if you want. I call it honest.

Girly... and very Dawson's Creek.

For that matter it was you calling Burton's Batman an emo and that versioon was even more far than being one that this... honest Bruce Wayne.

You didn't read that thing I posted. Suppose for a moment that Batman doesn't help Dick avenge the Flying Graysons. How's he going to keep Dick from trying to do it on his own?

If Dick's is underage, the answer is quite simple: Orphanage.

It is clear that Bruce has no time for raising/teaching a kid.

Of course not, but you can't lock him in his room and keep him under constant surveillance 24x7x365. How do you keep a kid from doing crack? You teach him the truth about drugs. And you don't shy away from talking to him about it, you don't stunt his social life. You teach him the difference between right and wrong. TEACH.

Again, the kid's orphan, the kid goes to an orphanage. That's how society keeps kids away from drugs and streets. I don't see judges giving them to playboys as the great solution.

Being Bruce Wayne a billionaire, he can pay for special attention for Dick and not training him to risk his life and envision life as a training for revenge.

For what we know about comic books and Batman history, Bruce Wayne only TEACHES how to become a young Batman, even when the kid has no legal age to decide about his own life. Which make this so ilegal and shady. Bruce Wayne doesn't teach Dick how to have a normal life and not doomed and eternally tied to revenge like his own.

Well, how exactly do you propose to stop her from being a ****e? You gonna chain her up in her room? What are going to do to stop her?

Orphanage. Third time.

And if I was Bruce Wayne, paying a special care for her until she's mature enough. After that, if she still thinks prostitution ios the way, well, she knows. I can try to talk to her though, but no more.

For that matter, she's better off turning tricks with a "respectable" escort service than she is standing on a street corner and giving her money to a pimp who beats the everloving crap out of her on a semi-regular basis, isn't she?

Even if that would be better (as in less bad), if I encourage her in some way to sell her body, then I'm corrupting her. The way Bruce does with Dick. And btw, morally it is not better to be an expensive ****e than a cheap ****e.

Taking advantage of a person who has no maturity enough to make a resposible decision in order to train him/her for an ilegal activity (being a ****e or Batman) is corruption, ilegal, immoral and reprehensible. And training some underage kid for such purposes is taking advantage no matter if the kid allow it or not because since he/she is underage has no legal or ethical stature to decide for Him/herself.

 

[El Payaso]

There is a slight difference there, however if you yourself were a master hooker and you saw a piece of yourself in this girl and think she can be a great hooker than I assume yes, you would train her - give her guidance, etc. You are asking what a sane (or reasonably sane) person would do, I do not think Bruce Wayne exactly qualifies.

Bruce Wayne a reasonable person? To think that you can fix society up by dressing as a bat in the middle of a city that cannot be more corrupted?

If I was a master hooker and I'd do that to an underage it is ilegal and immoral no matter what.

 

[El Payaso]

Your examples are way too exaggerated.

Are as exaggerated as training a 12 y.o. kid to fight crime with no guns and in a multicolor suit.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Who cares about the system in real life with the orphanages and crap. Robin exists period. DC created him, his origin, everything. Accept that.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Are as exaggerated as training a 12 y.o. kid to fight crime with no guns and in a multicolor suit.

I knew you were going to hit me back with that exact phrase. It is a freaking comic man. Fiction...stop acting like it has to be so damn realistic.

 

[StorminNorman]

Bruce Wayne a reasonable person? To think that you can fix society up by dressing as a bat in the middle of a city that cannot be more corrupted?

If I was a master hooker and I'd do that to an underage it is ilegal and immoral no matter what.

I believe that was the point I was trying to make - you are looking at this from a resonable person's POV, Bruce would not be.

In reality it would be - but morality changes from person to person - a master hooker probably would not see her act as immoral (and in this example would not think it was immoral) so that is not a reasonalbe argument.

 

[El Payaso]

Who cares about the system in real life with the orphanages and crap. Robin exists period. DC created him, his origin, everything. Accept that.

Superhero movies are mostly campy and crappy. Should I accept that if Batman movies are crap?

I knew you were going to hit me back with that exact phrase. It is a freaking comic man. Fiction...stop acting like it has to be so damn realistic.

Ask that to Nolan. He's doing this as realistic as he can.

I believe that was the point I was trying to make - you are looking at this from a resonable person's POV, Bruce would not be.

Even so, it would be reasonable to carry a gun or to act with some extent of corruption to fight crime at Gotham City. But Bruce Wayne makes a decision of not killing and respect laws. Under that POV, raising Robin as a vigilante would be against what Bruce wants Batman to represents.

And this kind of kid corruption would be ilegal no matter what. Batman with a 12 y.o. kid would force the Police Department to arrest him under several charges.

In reality it would be - but morality changes from person to person - a master hooker probably would not see her act as immoral (and in this example would not think it was immoral) so that is not a reasonalbe argument.

No, but it is for a guy like Bruce who acts under law.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Gah just because Nolan said he wants to make it realistic does not mean you gotta take it that far. I have said this a million times along with others. People are taking this realism thing too far.

 

[StorminNorman]

Even so, it would be reasonable to carry a gun or to act with some extent of corruption to fight crime at Gotham City. But Bruce Wayne makes a decision of not killing and respect laws. Under that POV, raising Robin as a vigilante would be against what Bruce wants Batman to represents.

Bruce Wayne respects the laws? LOL

And this kind of kid corruption would be ilegal no matter what. Batman with a 12 y.o. kid would force the Police Department to arrest him under several charges.

No, but it is for a guy like Bruce who acts under law.

I am not talking about a 12 y.o. kid, but a 16 y.o. kid. Also I dont see how the police would ever see these two in action, except for very rare occurences.

Bruce Wayne is a vigilante, thus he does not live under the law.

 

[El Payaso]

OR you're taking this 'fantasy' concept too far.

 

[trustyside-kick]

No. I am all for making it realistic but there are some things that just should not be changed. There are things that should be changed but not to the extreme. You are talking about liquidating an entire character's existence for the sake of "realism for the film".

 

[El Payaso]

Bruce Wayne respects the laws? LOL



I am not talking about a 12 y.o. kid, but a 16 y.o. kid. Also I dont see how the police would ever see these two in action, except for very rare occurences.

Bruce Wayne is a vigilante, thus he does not live under the law.

Even so, he respects some basic moral aspects. No killing, etc.

If you can't see police worried about an underage kid, it's your imagination and enjoy it. But I don't think Batman could go away with that with no further problem.

 

[El Payaso]

No. I am all for making it realistic but there are some things that just should not be changed. There are things that should be changed but not to the extreme. You are talking about liquidating an entire character's existence for the sake of "realism for the film".

For a starter I'm talking about how lame the character is, realism or not.

Then there's the basic notions of realism.

 

[trustyside-kick]

To add to my previous post. I am not even saying have Robin in the suit and fighting. I am saying at the end of the third have his parents get killed, Bruce take him in, and begin his training. Hell if they wanted...the training they show first could be the detective stuff.