The Dark Knight i will get FA-LAMED for this but i think Robin SHOULD be in film 3!

[trustyside-kick]

People have their opinions about artists and authors...here are some of mine. Don't feel like doing more than these cause I can care less. Everyone has their opinions about artists and writers.

I never said Loeb created Batman or anything. All I said that his TLH and DV are what is in continuity. I do not see how you could get pissed off with what he did with Ra's.

I think Year One is higly overrrated and was not even good.

The artist from Broken City sucked ass. At first I was sketchy about Sale's art but I grew into it.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

People have their opinions about artists and authors...here are some of mine. Don't feel like doing more than these cause I can care less. Everyone has their opinions about artists and writers.

Yes, everyone has their opinions. But that doesn't negate what is good and what is not. Pigs like rolling in feces. Doesn't mean it doesn't stink.

I never said Loeb created Batman or anything. All I said that his TLH and DV are what is in continuity. I do not see how you could get pissed off with what he did with Ra's.

I couldn't care less what's in continuity because in another couple of years it'll be something else. I care about which Batman stories are good and which ones aren't. Whether or not they're in continuity doesn't change that.

I think Year One is higly overrrated and was not even good.

Year One is overrated, but it is also good. I think it's a good story, it's just not as much about Batman as it ought to be. It's a great deal about Jim Gordon. I love Jim Gordon, but it's not called "Jim Gordon and Batman: Year One."

The artist from Broken City sucked ass. At first I was sketchy about Sale's art but I grew into it.

The artist from Broken City did suck ass, I agree. But how do you feel about Gene Colan? Ed Hannigan? Don Newton? Norm Breyfogle?

The best Batman author of all time was arguably Denny O'Neill. I love Frank Miller's style, too, though I don't always agree with the decisions he makes... I think Miller's Batman tends too far towards the anti-hero, but I love anti-heroes. So while I don't think Miller's Batman is always... Batman... I think he's fun to read.

See, this isn't a discussion board. It's an operating table. And I'm the surgeon.

 

[trustyside-kick]

See, this isn't a discussion board. It's an operating table. And I'm the surgeon.

Someone is a little cocky. I don't see how you made a lot of good points. But I do not feel like arguing about it because I had enough of that with Ronny Shade.

The artist from Broken City did suck ass, I agree. But how do you feel about Gene Colan? Ed Hannigan? Don Newton? Norm Breyfogle?

Gene Colan, Ed Hannigan, Don Newton, and Norm Breyfogle are all good. Their Batmans remind me a lot of Neal Adams and are all very similar.

The best Batman author of all time was arguably Denny O'Neill. I love Frank Miller's style, too, though I don't always agree with the decisions he makes... I think Miller's Batman tends too far towards the anti-hero, but I love anti-heroes. So while I don't think Miller's Batman is always... Batman... I think he's fun to read.

Ya Denny O'Neil is a great writer. As people say he made Batman not so campy or whatever word they used.

I couldn't care less what's in continuity because in another couple of years it'll be something else. I care about which Batman stories are good and which ones aren't. Whether or not they're in continuity doesn't change that.

Ya I know. I was not saying stories not in continuity are crap. Maybe when that one time I replied saying "since not in continuity doesn't mean squat" some people might have taken it the wrong way. I was just saying Year Two and Three were taken out and replaced.

 

[El Payaso]

See, this isn't a discussion board. It's an operating table. And I'm the surgeon.

Is Goyer assisting you with one-liners?

 

[trustyside-kick]

Is Goyer assisting you with one-liners?

I've seen a lot of people use the same line anyway. It has lost its meaning in trying to be witty.

Also going back to something you said before Keyser Sushi...what did you dislike about Ra's being in Hush?

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Is Goyer assisting you with one-liners?

I do all my own stunts.

I've seen a lot of people use the same line anyway. It has lost its meaning in trying to be witty.

True. But I still find it amusing. It was great when Batman said it.

Also going back to something you said before Keyser Sushi...what did you dislike about Ra's being in Hush?

Never cast your pearls before swine.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Never cast your pearls before swine.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Just something a cool Jewish guy once said. He had a lot of good lines.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Okay well I am still wondering what you disliked about Ra's role in Hush.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Okay well I am still wondering what you disliked about Ra's role in Hush.

I told you. Never cast your pearls before swine. Think about what that means, and you have your answer.

 

[Nightwing 52]

Okay well I am still wondering what you disliked about Ra's role in Hush.

To each his own.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

To each his own.

Is that in support of him or me?

 

[StorminNorman]

I loved Hush in each and every way - but my opinion doesnt matter.

 

[Nightwing 52]

Is that in support of him or me?

You, because you have your own opinion of not liking Ra's' role in the book.

I loved Hush in each and every way - but my opinion doesnt matter.

Yes it does.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I liked Hush quite a bit. It's not that I didn't like seeing Ra's, it was just... a wasted appearance for such a great character. He didn't have any real reason for being there.

 

[trustyside-kick]

But Riddler used his Lazarus Pit to cure his cancer that was terminal. Ra's was pissed someone used one of his last remaining pits and basically without saying wanted Batman to find out who. Without Ra's pit Hush could not have happened because Riddler was the mastermind behind Hush. Therefore Ra's was clearly needed. Doesn't that make sense?

 

[El Payaso]

Doesn't that make sense?

Yes. No Robin.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

But Riddler used his Lazarus Pit to cure his cancer that was terminal. Ra's was pissed someone used one of his last remaining pits and basically without saying wanted Batman to find out who. Without Ra's pit Hush could not have happened because Riddler was the mastermind behind Hush. Therefore Ra's was clearly needed. Doesn't that make sense?

Except that Riddler suddenly had cancer, which was equally unecessary, except as a way to shoehorn Ra's al Ghul into the story.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Lol. Should have expected that response even though he wasn't mentioned I guess by now.

El_Payaso I got a question. Now I know you did not like Bruce taking Dick in at his age...but what about the other 2 Robins? Everything from Under the Hood series to One Year Later with Jason being the Red Hood was awesome. Without Bruce taking him in and being Robin that could not have happened.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Except that Riddler suddenly had cancer, which was equally unecessary, except as a way to shoehorn Ra's al Ghul into the story.

Ya but remember? Riddler solved the most important riddle of all. He found out who Batman was. Ya I know the whole cancer thing was random and out of no where but the story was still great. The whole thing with Ra's was set up very nicely I must say. If Riddler tells anyone who Batman is Batman will tell Ra's he used his pit.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Ya but remember? Riddler solved the most important riddle of all. He found out who Batman was. Ya I know the whole cancer thing was random and out of no where but the story was still great. The whole thing with Ra's was set up very nicely I must say. If Riddler tells anyone who Batman is Batman will tell Ra's he used his pit.

Yeah, but the whole Hush thing was so... un-Riddler. I mean, it was a good story, I enjoyed the hell out of it, but it's not the best Batman story ever written. It's a decent read. It's just that, Jeph Loeb pulled a Jeph Loeb and used EVERYBODY for no real reason, except that he could. And being a Jim Lee fan I can't complain too much because I got to see Jim Lee's take on all of the Batman characters, which I enjoyed tremendously. But the whole time I was reading the thing I kept thinking that Loeb had used all those characters for that purpose. That was before I found out he did the same thing in every single Batman story he's ever written.

 

[trustyside-kick]

So what if he used a lot of characters? That is not a bad thing. They all served their purpose. Every character Loeb used had a role and played it. The only one that did not was Harvey Dent; because he betrayed the plan. The only person that was not part of the plan was Ra's; which I have explained in posts above already.

And the point of it being so "Un-Riddler" as you call it cause Riddler said so himself that he was going to show everyone in town cause he "used to be somebody". He told Bats that when he was being interrogated at the end.

 

[El Payaso]

Lol. Should have expected that response even though he wasn't mentioned I guess by now.

El_Payaso I got a question. Now I know you did not like Bruce taking Dick in at his age...but what about the other 2 Robins? Everything from Under the Hood series to One Year Later with Jason being the Red Hood was awesome. Without Bruce taking him in and being Robin that could not have happened.

I'll tell you what. Being far more weak than strong, Batman Forever was the only attempt for me to believe a Robin could happen. Yes, even when once O'Donnell has the Robin suit on he's unbearable and the Holy this Holy that are puke worthy.

First, he was clearly a 18-20 y.o. man at least. Then, Bruce help him with real guidance; trying to make him go away from the revenge path. (Oh Batman IS revenge even when he tries - and succeed, depending on the version - genuinely to turn the revenge into a nobler mission; but clearly if Bruce's parents weren't killed his 'noble' feelings would have never existed.)

After that, Dick was persistant in becoming a crime fighter. And being him almost an adult, he was free to make his own decisions. But it was after a whole movie of Bruce trying to move him away from the vigilante career. At the end, Bruce recognizes the right of a man to find his own way. And the key word is 'man', not 8 y.o. child. Bruce Wayne had mentors too, but after his 18 y.o. or so. No one came as he was 8 to encourage him in his vengeful feelings.

Coming back to my original example, if a 20 y.o. woman tries to become a ****e for some reason, then be it. And since she's an adult I could give her 1 or 2 tips about the bussiness and maybe I'll give her something else... if she wants it, because she has the age to decide for herself, what the hell.

 

[trustyside-kick]

I asked about what you think about the other 2 Robins that Batman took in though; Jason Todd and Tim Drake.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

So what if he used a lot of characters? That is not a bad thing. They all served their purpose. Every character Loeb used had a role and played it. The only one that did not was Harvey Dent; because he betrayed the plan. The only person that was not part of the plan was Ra's; which I have explained in posts above already.

And the point of it being so "Un-Riddler" as you call it cause Riddler said so himself that he was going to show everyone in town cause he "used to be somebody". He told Bats that when he was being interrogated at the end.

Well, actually, it kinda is a bad thing because they didn't have anything really to do. I mean yes they all had a role to play, which is fine, but most of them just showed up for an issue or a few pages or whatever. Considering the history that these characters have it's fairly disrespectful to make them all into nothing more than cardboard cutouts. Was it fun to see them? Yes. Was it good storytelling? That's debatable.