The Dark Knight Rises IESB: Script is IN!

[Hype_BEAST]

It's called an analogy.

So what, you expect me to go out of my way to convince you that a villain can be better than Ledger's Joker? Such actions are far behind and below me. If you wish to keep an irrationally closed mind, then do so.

You will be left behind.

The analogy fails miserably in this case.

You don't have to convince me, cause I know the answer, as its already proven via the last franchise.

There isn't a villain, no matter how great the writing / think tank team is behind these new Batman movies that can surpass the writing of TDK Joker, nor do I believe an actor will outperform what Ledger did with the character in front of the camera.

The Joker is the proven pinnacle of all comic book villainery. He's a draw in himself. Too strong of a character to be surpassed. All the other villains only contain bits and pieces of his worth as an antagonist in a film.

 

[Crook]

I think the analogy is fine. To generalize it further is to simply say "what is considered the best will only stay that way until something better comes along". Which is true. Especially when it comes to performances.

 

[Hype_BEAST]

I think the analogy is fine. To generalize it further is to simply say "what is considered the best will only stay that way until something better comes along". Which is true. Especially when it comes to performances.

But in terms of the scope of Batman movies, or in this case an immediate sequel to TDK. You know damn well it's more probable that there won't be any character or performance in the near future that is as definitive, well defined, engrossing, thematically and relevant to the times as what we saw in Ledger's Joker.

Get real ...

I'm not saying a sequel to TDK can't be a very good movie. Because I have the utmost faith in Nolan and co that it would be. But to sit here and act as if yea, there will be a better antagonist than the way the character was written and performed with TDK's Joker is utterly ridiculous.

There is no where to go but downhill in terms of cinematic villain choices once the Joker has been crossed off the list.

 

[Mr. Earle]

The analogy fails miserably in this case.

You don't have to convince me, cause I know the answer, as its already proven via the last franchise.

There isn't a villain, no matter how great the writing / think tank team is behind these new Batman movies that can surpass the writing of TDK Joker, nor do I believe an actor will outperform what Ledger did with the character in front of the camera.

The Joker is the proven pinnacle of all comic book villainery. He's a draw in himself. Too strong of a character to be surpassed. All the other villains only contain bits and pieces of his worth as an antagonist in a film.

Dear Ms Michelle Williams,

I would urge you to stop this mindless and arrogant "my opinion is fact" posting of yours before you find yourself in harm's way.

Best regards
Dr. Victon Von Doom.

 

[Mr. Earle]

But in terms of the scope of Batman movies, or in this case an immediate sequel to TDK. You know damn well it's more probable that there won't be any character or performance in the near future that is as definitive, well defined, engrossing, thematically and relevant to the times as what we saw in Ledger's Joker.

Get real ...

I'm not saying a sequel to TDK can't be a very good movie. Because I have the utmost faith in Nolan and co that it would be. But to sit here and act as if yea, there will be a better antagonist than the way the character was written and performed with TDK's Joker is utterly ridiculous.

There is no where to go but downhill in terms of cinematic villain choices once the Joker has been crossed off the list.

I prefer Begins to TDK and i consider it a better and more enjoyable Batman movie. So if B3 is like Begins and not like TDK, i'll consider it better than TDK. Where is your god now?

 

[Hype_BEAST]

I prefer Begins to TDK and i consider it a better and more enjoyable Batman movie. So if B3 is like Begins and not like TDK, i'll consider it better than TDK. Where is your god now?

Begins a very good film. So prefer all you want. I was on the Nolan / Batman bandwagon before BEGINS. But for as good as BEGINS is ... it's not The Dark Knight caliber. Begins falls just short of great. Dark Knight has better characterizations, dialogue, script ... top to bottom it's a better film.

My god?

I'm aethist. I don't even know what you're refering to based off that comment even if I did believe in god.

 

[Hype_BEAST]

Dear Ms Michelle Williams,

I would urge you to stop this mindless and arrogant "my opinion is fact" posting of yours before you find yourself in harm's way.

Best regards
Dr. Victon Von Doom.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Begins a very good film. So prefer all you want. I was on the Nolan / Batman bandwagon before BEGINS. But for as good as BEGINS is ... it's not The Dark Knight caliber. Begins falls just short of great. Dark Knight has better characterizations, dialogue, script ... top to bottom it's a better film.

And yet Begins is more fun to watch and feels more like a Batman film. Cant i like something different than you Michelle?

RICHAAAAAAARDS!!!!

 

[Hype_BEAST]

And yet Begins is more fun to watch and feels more like a Batman film. Cant i like something different than you Michelle

Of course you can ... we're just debating.

 

[Crook]

1) No one is saying it's more probable that Ledger will be topped. But it's definitely possible.

2) Why are you being called Michelle?

 

[redfirebird2008]

I hope the script is shorter than TDK. Nolan himself admitted during the Blu-ray community screening that the movie was too long. It's like they combined two movies into one. 2 hours and 20 minutes was a bit long but still appropriate for an origin movie with Batman Begins. 2 hours and 30 minutes for a sequel was ridiculous. It was around 20-30 minutes too long IMHO. Hopefully Nolan takes his "two pee movie" comment to heart with the third movie and trims the fat from the runtime.

 

[C. Lee]

But in terms of the scope of Batman movies, or in this case an immediate sequel to TDK. You know damn well it's more probable that there won't be any character or performance in the near future that is as definitive, well defined, engrossing, thematically and relevant to the times as what we saw in Ledger's Joker.

Get real ...

I'm not saying a sequel to TDK can't be a very good movie. Because I have the utmost faith in Nolan and co that it would be. But to sit here and act as if yea, there will be a better antagonist than the way the character was written and performed with TDK's Joker is utterly ridiculous.

There is no where to go but downhill in terms of cinematic villain choices once the Joker has been crossed off the list.

By that post....no more movies about Batman should ever even be attempted now, because there is no possibility that they could ever ascend to the greatness of TDK.

That is....for the people who consider TDK and the Joker the end all and pinnacle of movie greatness. But for every opinion that goes one way, there are a hundred that go another. Always remember...you are stating YOUR OPINION....not facts.

 

[Mr. Earle]

1) No one is saying it's more probable that Ledger will be topped. But it's definitely possible.

2) Why are you being called Michelle?

Because Hype_Beast is actually Michelle Williams, Ledgers ex wife. Cant you tell from her posts?

 

[Nightwing 52]

"One begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts." - Sherlock Holmes

 

[regwec]

I think Hype Beast actually makes a fair point. The Joker has the most celebrity status and the most direct menace of any of Batman's rogues. A new villain or villains will have to be scripted carefully to avoid a sense of anticlimax. For this reason I favour keeping The Joker alive, in some way, in the third film.

In any case, his opinion isn't so outrageous that he deserves to be pilloried.

 

[Ekricket]

I think Hype Beast actually makes a fair point. The Joker has the most celebrity status and the most direct menace of any of Batman's rogues. A new villain or villains will have to be scripted carefully to avoid a sense of anticlimax. For this reason I favour keeping The Joker alive, in some way, in the third film.

In any case, his opinion isn't so outrageous that he deserves to be pilloried.

He is such a good villian he gets his own comic.

I think half the audience would have cheered and rooted for him if he had actually killed Batman in TDK.

 

[cable2x]

The analogy fails miserably in this case.

You don't have to convince me, cause I know the answer, as its already proven via the last franchise.

There isn't a villain, no matter how great the writing / think tank team is behind these new Batman movies that can surpass the writing of TDK Joker, nor do I believe an actor will outperform what Ledger did with the character in front of the camera.

The Joker is the proven pinnacle of all comic book villainery. He's a draw in himself. Too strong of a character to be surpassed. All the other villains only contain bits and pieces of his worth as an antagonist in a film.

I agree. Like I said, Batman himself will have to step it up in the 3rd movie to hope and get close to TDK.

 

[Brother Jack]

Because Hype_Beast is actually Michelle Williams, Ledgers ex wife. Cant you tell from her posts?

I think the combination of Catwoman and Riddler in the sequel can balance out the "villain hype" with TDK. After all they are the most popular villains that haven't been used by Nolan yet.

 

[Hype_BEAST]

By that post....no more movies about Batman should ever even be attempted now, because there is no possibility that they could ever ascend to the greatness of TDK.

I didn't say that at all if you actually read my post. I said it's highly unlikely there will be an antagonist that can match let alone exceed (as a few posters here insinuated) that could surpass the Joker's draw as a character, whether it be visual stimulation and uniqueness, thematically what he represents and challenges of the protagonist, etc. He's the king of the hill in terms of what is the best way one could challenge the hero, Batman.

I very clearly said that I'm sure Nolan could make a good follow up movie, but the odds are stacked against him in terms of making one that could surpass The Dark Knight in terms of impact, social / political relevance, and just general intrigue and influence his sequel to Batman Begins had.

It's the equivelent to a hockey player having to live up to the legend of Wayne Gretzky, or in basketball having a player surpass Michael Jordan.

Anything is "possible" but it DEFINETELY isn't "probable."

That is....for the people who consider TDK and the Joker the end all and pinnacle of movie greatness.

You're taking my statements about the movie, and putting mass amounts of hyperbole. I never said all of that.

Always remember...you are stating YOUR OPINION....not facts.

I never acted otherwise.

 

[david icke]

People said the Beatles had taken too much time off and were not capable of surpassing their past portfolio.
Then they released Sgt Pepper.
Folk said Sgt Pepper was the best album of all time and they would not surpass that.
Then they did the White Album(yes, it has better songs imo).
It's entirely possible that a 3rd Batman movie will be better and that we get a villan who is just as mesmerising onscreen.
Catwoman beat Joker for being the best villan onscreen in the previous bat-run, depending on who plays her and how the Nolans/Goyer do the character, the game is still totally on for who the best onscreen Batman villan will be , for this run/continuity.
edit: ie I think Catwoman is the best bet for beating the Joker in this.
A great Riddler could be comparable to the Joker i think, a great Catwoman would be a completely different kind of villan to Joker, and could equal/surpass him on her own terms.

 

[Hype_BEAST]

Thank you ...

Calling me Michelle, making fun of a wife of a man who passed away

And I got flagged for "inappropriate language" for the use of the word "******" via super moderator C. Lee

A word, I wouldn't even get a slap on the wrist for in elementary school

 

[david icke]

Thank you ...

Calling me Michelle, making fun of a wife of a man who passed away

And I got flagged for "inappropriate language" for the use of the word "******" via super moderator C. Lee

A word, I wouldn't even get a slap on the wrist for in elementary school

Dude, he was making light hearted fun of you with the Michelle thing, not her.

and personally, I thought someone would say something about the '******' thing when i read it.

Take it from me man, sometimes it's best to chill a bit when you're on the net, lol, especially when you're just getting started on the boards and folk are just having a little playful fun with the way you are strongly soapboxing your opinions.

 

[C. Lee]

Thank you ...

You're welcome.

Calling me Michelle, making fun of a wife of a man who passed away

He was making fun of you...not her...unless you are her....which would mean he was making fun of the both of you.

And I got flagged for "inappropriate language" for the use of the word "******" via super moderator C. Lee

That's SUPER DUPER moderator C. Lee.

A word, I wouldn't even get a slap on the wrist for in elementary school

Which makes little kiddies think it is acceptable to be so rude and crass towards others.

 

[IBRAH08]

Begins a very good film. So prefer all you want. I was on the Nolan / Batman bandwagon before BEGINS. But for as good as BEGINS is ... it's not The Dark Knight caliber. Begins falls just short of great. Dark Knight has better characterizations, dialogue, script ... top to bottom it's a better film.

My god?

I'm aethist. I don't even know what you're refering to based off that comment even if I did believe in god.

you were on the Nolan-Batman wagon before Begins? so before you had any reason?

 

[J. Custer]

Hype BEAST, in your limited imagination you can't imagine another batman movie as good as or better than TDK....well I can and it doesn't nessesarily include Joker! Dark Knight was not North by North West, or a Citizen Kane. Some people seem to think it was the greatest achievement in film ever, it's like tunnel vision or blinders. the movie was perhaps their fan boy fullfilment fantasy come true. If you look past that and get a grip you will realize the franchise is in very capable hands and could very well surpass TDK.

On a side note I firmly belive nolan will recast joker to tell the story he set out to tell. but if he doesn't I can see in my minds eye Nolan bringing great interpretations of Penguin, Riddler, Black mask etc.