The Dark Knight Rises IESB: Script is IN!

[Keyser Soze]

I honestly don't think that the next villain will top The Joker, Hype BEAST has a valid point there. But I don't think this means they shouldn't TRY to top The Dark Knight with the next film, any more than I think the James Bond people should have stopped after the third film because no villain was going to top Goldfinger.

In terms of generating mainstream interest, the only Batman rogue I can think of to follow The Joker would be Catwoman. Pair her up as an antagonist/love interest alongside someone else to be a fully-blown villain, and you should have enough to fill the Joker-shaped void. Even if it doesn't top The Dark Knight, Nolan can still make a great Batman movie without The Joker.

 

[Keyser Soze]

EDIT: Double trouble.

 

[Mr. Earle]

The Joker is probably the best and definitely most loved Batman villain but there is a reason why i'll miss him a lot in the sequel. He was the only far fetched and comic book element in TDK. Yeah there was unrealistic action yada yada, but you can find that in any action flick. While Begins had monasteries on top of mountains, ninjas, a more CGI enhanced Gotham, a villain who might have been immortal, and a general comic booky directional style, TDK felt like a gangster-action movie with the Joker (to me at least). The only thing that seemed comic booky in TDK was him and even he wasnt his comic book self.

If Nolan directs B3 in the same "Heat" kind of way as TDK, but without the Joker, i doubt that it will feel like a Batman movie at all. Black Mask and Catwoman wont be able to bring that special batman flavour to it all by themselves (hell even the Joker couldnt do that in TDK). You need a more gothamy Gotham, a spookier Arkham, a batsuit that is an actual batsuit, and a general comic book direction. Meaning that the movie focuses on Batman instead of the politics, the cops, the mayor, or the mob. Its Batman/Bruce that sets the tone and scope of the film, like Tony is doing in IM. And since Bruce wasnt so prominent in TDK, the film felt headless.

And this is why i have little hope for B3. With the most flamboyant villain out of the way and Nolan's style getting grittier by each movie, i doubt i'll enjoy B3. Give me a call when Firefly, Croc, Harley, Ivy, Robin, Talia appear in a Batman film set in Gotham. In the meantime i'll be watching Favreau's Ironman movies unrealistic as they might be (a suitcase transforming into an armour? OMFG its unrealistic!).

 

[The Joker]

I honestly don't think that the next villain will top The Joker, Hype BEAST has a valid point there. But I don't think this means they shouldn't TRY to top The Dark Knight with the next film, any more than I think the James Bond people should have stopped after the third film because no villain was going to top Goldfinger.

In terms of generating mainstream interest, the only Batman rogue I can think of to follow The Joker would be Catwoman. Pair her up as an antagonist/love interest alongside someone else to be a fully-blown villain, and you should have enough to fill the Joker-shaped void. Even if it doesn't top The Dark Knight, Nolan can still make a great Batman movie without The Joker.

Welcome back to the Bat boards, Soze.

Great post

 

[IBRAH08]

I'm hoping that we get something no one was expecting with BB3 (in a good way)

 

[J. Custer]

The Joker is probably the best and definitely most loved Batman villain but there is a reason why i'll miss him a lot in the sequel. He was the only far fetched and comic book element in TDK. Yeah there was unrealistic action yada yada, but you can find that in any action flick. While Begins had monasteries on top of mountains, ninjas, a more CGI enhanced Gotham, a villain who might have been immortal, and a general comic booky directional style, TDK felt like a gangster-action movie with the Joker (to me at least). The only thing that seemed comic booky in TDK was him and even he wasnt his comic book self.

If Nolan directs B3 in the same "Heat" kind of way as TDK, but without the Joker, i doubt that it will feel like a Batman movie at all. Black Mask and Catwoman wont be able to bring that special batman flavour to it all by themselves (hell even the Joker couldnt do that in TDK). You need a more gothamy Gotham, a spookier Arkham, a batsuit that is an actual batsuit, and a general comic book direction. Meaning that the movie focuses on Batman instead of the politics, the cops, the mayor, or the mob. Its Batman/Bruce that sets the tone and scope of the film, like Tony is doing in IM. And since Bruce wasnt so prominent in TDK, the film felt headless.

And this is why i have little hope for B3. With the most flamboyant villain out of the way and Nolan's style getting grittier by each movie, i doubt i'll enjoy B3. Give me a call when Firefly, Croc, Harley, Ivy, Robin, Talia appear in a Batman film set in Gotham. In the meantime i'll be watching Favreau's Ironman movies unrealistic as they might be (a suitcase transforming into an armour? OMFG its unrealistic!).

why would you point out that a comic book movie element is unrealistic? isn't the very nature of a comicbook movie in the realm of the fantastic? and please... you're going to Batman3. And you'll be squealing with glee about it on here in a year and a half/2 years....talking about how "oh, I had my doubts" and "Nolans, restored My Faith"

 

[redfirebird2008]

The Joker is probably the best and definitely most loved Batman villain but there is a reason why i'll miss him a lot in the sequel. He was the only far fetched and comic book element in TDK. Yeah there was unrealistic action yada yada, but you can find that in any action flick. While Begins had monasteries on top of mountains, ninjas, a more CGI enhanced Gotham, a villain who might have been immortal, and a general comic booky directional style, TDK felt like a gangster-action movie with the Joker (to me at least). The only thing that seemed comic booky in TDK was him and even he wasnt his comic book self.

If Nolan directs B3 in the same "Heat" kind of way as TDK, but without the Joker, i doubt that it will feel like a Batman movie at all. Black Mask and Catwoman wont be able to bring that special batman flavour to it all by themselves (hell even the Joker couldnt do that in TDK). You need a more gothamy Gotham, a spookier Arkham, a batsuit that is an actual batsuit, and a general comic book direction. Meaning that the movie focuses on Batman instead of the politics, the cops, the mayor, or the mob. Its Batman/Bruce that sets the tone and scope of the film, like Tony is doing in IM. And since Bruce wasnt so prominent in TDK, the film felt headless.

And this is why i have little hope for B3. With the most flamboyant villain out of the way and Nolan's style getting grittier by each movie, i doubt i'll enjoy B3. Give me a call when Firefly, Croc, Harley, Ivy, Robin, Talia appear in a Batman film set in Gotham. In the meantime i'll be watching Favreau's Ironman movies unrealistic as they might be (a suitcase transforming into an armour? OMFG its unrealistic!).

If you don't like Nolan's movies, why waste your time even paying attention to them? I'm a Transformers fan but I gave up on that franchise after the first movie gave me a splitting headache. If you don't like it, just ignore it.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I like the Nolan movies. I just think that they re not perfect.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I like the Nolan movies. I just think that they re not perfect.

The tone of your earlier post doesn't sound like someone who enjoys them at all. And I've never said they're perfect. I rate them similarly to other good superhero movies like X2, Superman: The Movie, Iron Man, and Burton's Batman movies. Those movies including Nolan's are 8/10 for me. I rarely give anything above that.

 

[Dark Knight]

I hope the script is shorter than TDK. Nolan himself admitted during the Blu-ray community screening that the movie was too long. It's like they combined two movies into one. 2 hours and 20 minutes was a bit long but still appropriate for an origin movie with Batman Begins. 2 hours and 30 minutes for a sequel was ridiculous. It was around 20-30 minutes too long IMHO. Hopefully Nolan takes his "two pee movie" comment to heart with the third movie and trims the fat from the runtime.

Hmmm....2 hours and 30 minutes too long?

I would love to hear how feel about the run time of films like the Godfather and Avatar?

I do agree though...the 3rd Bat film should have a run time of no more than 2 hours and 20 minutes IMO.

 

[Dark Knight]

Man, do I hope Jonah writes in an EPIC and BRUTAL fight scene with Batman fighting (hopefully an assassin or hitman who has been hunting him) in a MUD PIT!

Ala Millers TDKR graphic novel!

Now that...would be great to see onscreen!

I can see it much like the ending fight scene between Gibson and Busey at the end of Lethal Weapon.....but more intense, epic and brutal enough to keep it at PG-13!

 

[Dark Knight]

Double Post

 

[redfirebird2008]

Hmmm....2 hours and 30 minutes too long?

I would love to hear how feel about the run time of films like the Godfather and Avatar?

I do agree though...the 3rd Bat film should have a run time of no more than 2 hours and 20 minutes IMO.

Godfather I and II are two of my favorite films. Pulp Fiction is another long one that I thoroughly enjoy. I didn't say that I have a problem with long films. I merely said The Dark Knight was too long. Every movie has its own pacing and structure, which is why I can feel completely satisifed with the runtime of Godfather II while wishing TDK was 20 minutes shorter.

 

[regwec]

Mr Earle is entitled to whatever view he likes of Christopher Nolan and his movies. Being "on message" is not a pre requisite of posting here.

I must say, though, that I think he is being a bit pessimistic (and that's coming from me)! Nolan seems to intend Batman III to be a finale to his trilogy, so I think he must have to ramp it up a bit.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Mr Earle is entitled to whatever view he likes of Christopher Nolan and his movies. Being "on message" is not a pre requisite of posting here.

I must say, though, that I think he is being a bit pessimistic (and that's coming from me)! Nolan seems to intend Batman III to be a finale to his trilogy, so I think he must have to ramp it up a bit.

Never said he had to be "on message," (whatever the hell this means, given that I was just asked to justify my own comment about TDK being too long). I just said he's wasting his time even thinking about it if he has so many problems with it. His post seemed pretty bitter for some reason, especially that comment about enjoying Favreau's Iron Man. As if there's something wrong with enjoying both? I enjoy them the same but for different reasons. That's the irony of his complaints about Nolan. He claims Nolan is closed-minded in his approach to making a Batman movie, which is probably true. But his fanboy nitpicking also shows quite a bit of closed-mindedness on his part. I don't have a particular style that I prefer for a superhero movie, but then again I am not much of a comic book reader. From what I have read though, Nolan and Burton's movies are both a big departure from the comics and yet I thoroughly enjoy them.

 

[Dark Knight]

Godfather I and II are two of my favorite films. Pulp Fiction is another long one that I thoroughly enjoy. I didn't say that I have a problem with long films. I merely said The Dark Knight was too long. Every movie has its own pacing and structure, which is why I can feel completely satisifed with the runtime of Godfather II while wishing TDK was 20 minutes shorter.

I have to go back on previous post about the potential run time of the 3rd Bat film.

Since this film may be Nolans and Bales last Bat film....I say make it as long as freakin possible actually. Just as long as the pacing is fine, then all should be good!

 

[Mr. Earle]

Mr Earle is entitled to whatever view he likes of Christopher Nolan and his movies. Being "on message" is not a pre requisite of posting here.

I must say, though, that I think he is being a bit pessimistic (and that's coming from me)! Nolan seems to intend Batman III to be a finale to his trilogy, so I think he must have to ramp it up a bit.

First of all, thanks for understanding me.

I was just disappointed by many aspects of TDK. And seeing how successful it was, why would Nolan do anything different in B3?

 

[redfirebird2008]

First of all, thanks for understanding me.

I was just disappointed by many aspects of TDK. And seeing how successful it was, why would Nolan do anything different in B3?

He did admit it's too long and needs to be shortened next time around. And maybe he'll finally stop employing lame plot devices like the microwave emitter and sonar. Or maybe not.

 

[Mr. Earle]

He did admit it's too long and needs to be shortened next time around. And maybe he'll finally stop employing lame plot devices like the microwave emitter and sonar. Or maybe not.

You will hate me for it but i liked them both. Its a superhero movie and they fit the bill.

 

[redfirebird2008]

You will hate me for it but i liked them both. Its a superhero movie and they fit the bill.

For TDK I was hoping Batman would have to run through a tricked up carnival funhouse before getting to the Joker.

 

[Dark Knight]

For TDK I was hoping Batman would have to run through a tricked up carnival funhouse before getting to the Joker.

Thats what I wanted to see also in TDK. Batman and Joker in carnival funhouse scene.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

For TDK I was hoping Batman would have to run through a tricked up carnival funhouse before getting to the Joker.

Movies are what they are, not what you want them to be.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Movies are what they are, not what you want them to be.

Thanks for stating the obvious.

 

[IBRAH08]

Thanks for stating the obvious.

so so so true

 

[redhawk23]

A Carnival scene or something of like was very much the kind of thing i felt was missing from TDK. still love it though.