If I was in charge of Marvel...

[Darthphere]

I don't think that Stan Lee & friends EVER did what they did for the $$$ MONEY $$$.

Stan did it for the FANS and he did it because he truly loved the characters like a FAN would.

I've seen sparks of the spirit that Stan and friends had in the early days coming out of a few creators in comics these days.

I just don't see it in the current EIC.

Joe's become a figure head, a talking head, a puppet for the board of directors, the investors, and the licencing partners.

Marvel needs someone in charge who cares about these characters, not making the quick buck.

"Running a multi-million dollar corporation" means more than the "day-to-day."

It also means sharing a rapport with the customer.

All that I've seen Marvel do in the last few years is create a wider void between what they are publishing now and what Stan made then.

Hell. They've ENDED more classic titles and disassembled more iconic characters.

You want to impress me, Joe?

Create something.

Create something original.

Create something original that will last for 40 years.

Till then...

You're nothing to me but another dead vampire.

(sorry, I got Blade I playing in the background).

Sucking the blood life out of something that you have no right to.

You want to KILL something?

Then give LIFE to something.

You want to END something?

Then BEGIN something.


Is that so friggin much for a fan to ask???

Im glad you got that off your chest. Im sure when Stan does those cameos in the Fantastic Four movies its not at all about the money. Im sure he worked fro free as a writer and when he was EIC. C'mon Gambit. Im always with you but Marvel is as good as it has been in years.

 

[Gambit8370]

Multi-title crossover events. (even though I distictly remember the lectures about how Marvel was steering away from those)

Shocking revelations. (Gwen f'd Norman, Bucky is alive, Spider-Man's big identity reveal, Wolverine is named John not Logan, etc.).

Incredible body counts. (Avengers disemboweled, New Warriors blown to hell, Carnage torn in two, Brock's suicide, the book of the dead keeps getting thicker and thicker)

When Stan created these everlasting fictional icons, it wasn't about all that shock and awe to get friggin spikes in sales.

It was about publishing fun comics for the masses.

Comics didn't automatically get s**t-canned when there was a sales slump.

They got a new creative team and stories continued to get told.

THAT is what pisses me off:

Giving up on something that people care about.

Say what you will about Stan's current dealings, but back in the day he was more about the ideal than the institution.

 

[Darthphere]

Maybe, it doesnt change the fact that he wrote comic books 30 years ago and the nature of comic books has changed drastically since then. Thats why multi-title crossover events are needed, DC does them too. Shocking revelations, Dr. Light raped Sue Dibny, They mind-wiped Batman, Leslie Thompkins lets Spoiler die. Incredible body counts, ie. Infinite Crisis. I bring these all because of your new custom title. It makes you look like a hypocrite because DC is just as guilty, and I hate using the compare something to another argument but its warranted here.

 

[Gambit8370]

Yeah well at least THEIR resident archer has his own ongoing title!

(I'm really reaching I know)

IMHO, DC is more in touch with the fans than Marvel is.

Don't get me wrong, I have my gripes about DC too (RIP Ted Kord), but there are certain standards that I expect from Marvel since I love the Marvel characters just a little more. At DC, I love the creative talent more than the characters.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

Aaaand the SHHB has another angry young man/grumpy old man where once stood a calm contributor There's so much testosterone flying round these boards its like a friggin sausage-fest.

Shocking revelations. (Gwen f'd Norman, Bucky is alive, Spider-Man's big identity reveal, Wolverine is named John not Logan, etc.).

"james", not john. "james"... i think.

 

[Gambit8370]

Aaaand the SHHB has another angry young man/grumpy old man where once stood a calm contributor There's so much testosterone flying round these boards its like a friggin sausage-fest.

You must be relatively new if you had ever thought of me as a "calm contributor"...

"james", not john. "james"... i think.

Goes to show you how little I cared for the ground-breaking revelation of Wolverine's Origin.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

yeah, relatively. just trying to illustrate a point and so i resorted to a cheap badly-researched stunt like calling you calm Must be my love of marvel rubbing off on me

 

[Darthphere]

Yeah well at least THEIR resident archer has his own ongoing title!

(I'm really reaching I know)

IMHO, DC is more in touch with the fans than Marvel is.

Don't get me wrong, I have my gripes about DC too (RIP Ted Kord), but there are certain standards that I expect from Marvel since I love the Marvel characters just a little more. At DC, I love the creative talent more than the characters.

You know I love you Gambit. And I agree. But just wanted to say that DC does the same thing, and honestly we know they do it better. You back for good or are you going to disappear again?

 

[Gambit8370]

You know I love you Gambit. And I agree. But just wanted to say that DC does the same thing, and honestly we know they do it better. You back for good or are you going to disappear again?

To quote Supes...

"I'm always around."

 

[Darthphere]

To quote Supes...

"I'm always around."

 

[Elijya]

I don't think that Stan Lee & friends EVER did what they did for the $$$ MONEY $$$.

mmm, yeah they did. At the time, NO ONE thought of comics as an art form, except maybe Eisner. It was all just a job to them.

don't you know how Martin Goodman ran the company? "whatever is selling, flood the market" was his policy. He was ALL about making money. Not art.

 

[Gambit8370]

mmm, yeah they did. At the time, NO ONE thought of comics as an art form, except maybe Eisner. It was all just a job to them.

don't you know how Martin Goodman ran the company? "whatever is selling, flood the market" was his policy. He was ALL about making money. Not art.

And yet I distinctly remember a time when there was ONLY ONE Spider-Man comic and ONLY ONE X-Men comic and ONLY ONE Fantastic Four Comic and ONLY ONE Avengers comic and ONLY ONE... ( I can do this all day to make my point, but you get the picture).

 

[Elijya]

well, part of that had to do with the arrangement Marvel had with their distribution company and they were limited to only publishing so many titles - 8, I think it was. Which was why Iron Man and Cap got merged in Tales of Suspense, Dr. Strange and Nick Fury in Strange Tales, etc.

as soon as Marvel got out of that deal, they flooded the market with new titles, which soon included ::drum roll::.... a second Spider-Man title

Prior to that, the ONLY characters with more than one title were Superman and Batman, who were a MAJOR exception, since they were world-wide icons with already several film and TV adaptations to their names. The idea of multiple titles for the same characters was one that had not even occured to the industry

 

[The Leaguer]

I would put Rucka back on Superman, cancel Supergirl, kill off Hal Jordan again, declare Robin out of continuity, un-cancel Batgirl without restarting it, make Ion an on-going, take Bruce Jones off Outsiders, tell Winick to get his s*** together, replace Meltzer with Morrison on Justice League of America and retitle it JLA, have Morrison team with Porter on a Zauriel mini-series, which would lead into an on-going and people would love it, put Christos Gage on a Deadshot on-going, fire John Byrne and suck Moore's c*** until he agreed to come back.

That's what I would do if I was in charge of Marvel.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I would put Rucka back on Superman

Word

cancel Supergirl

kill off Hal Jordan again

You just have no love for Hal

declare Robin out of continuity, un-cancel Batgirl without restarting it

You must really hate what they've done to Cassandra Cain

make Ion an on-going

I hope that Ion will become an ongoing

take Bruce Jones off Outsiders

Bruce Jones isn't on Outsiders, Winnick is

tell Winick to get his s*** together

I like Winnick's writing. His liberal philosophy in his books is much more enjoyable than Millar's liberal garbage in the Ultimates and Civil War.

replace Meltzer with Morrison on Justice League of America and retitle it JLA

Can't Morrison do more than just JLA dammit
And Justice League of America sounds much better than JLA.

have Morrison team with Porter on a Zauriel mini-series, which would lead into an on-going and people would love it

You have a man-crush on Zauriel, don't you?

put Christos Gage on a Deadshot on-going

Deadshot doesn't deserve an ongoing, Secret Six on the other hand.

fire John Byrne

Byrne's writing my suck, but I like his art, most of the time.

and suck Moore's c*** until he agreed to come back.

Wait a minute, I thought your man-crush was on Zauriel

That's what I would do if I was in charge of Marvel.

LOL

 

[The Leaguer]

Bruce Jones isn't on Outsiders, Winnick is

That's why I would take him off. He needs to start remembering which books he writes.

 

[hippie_hunter]

That's why I would take him off. He needs to start remembering which books he writes.

 

[The Leaguer]

Don't make me draw you a picture.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Don't make me draw you a picture.

I would love a picture

 

[Elijya]

are you saying the Outsiders appear too much in whatever book Jones does write?

 

[The Leaguer]

Don't use your "logic" on me.

 

[Shadow_Knight]

If I was incharge of Marvel I would make more moives that fans want and more Marvel cartoons.

 

[Elijya]

Marvel's not in charge of that, not really. Those things are outsourced

 

[Vanguard07]

Didnt they just take charge of all their future projects though? It was my understanding that from now on Marvel will have control of all of their movies and cartoons and such.

 

[Elijya]

sort of, but they're still outsourcing. Marvel's not going to be building their own film studios or special effects houses or anything. They're just going to be taking greater creative control over the adaptations and be a larger part of the financing, which'll entitled them to more of the profits, but they still have to take the properties to a film studio to actually get made.

It's just before they would sell the rights to their properties to different studios who offered them the best deal, or whom they were most convinced would do the project right and thus earn them the most money. But creatively, once the contracts were signed, they had very little input into what ACTUALLY would be developed