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Bret Hart Says Hogan Was "Too Afraid" To Face Him in 1993

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Harris Gets a New FCW Gimmick

Former WWE NXT star Husky Harris debuted a new gimmick at Thursday's FCW show, playing a religious zealot named Levi Wyatt. He was introduced as a member of the audience, then cut a heel promo before defeating FCW star Jiro in a singles match.

The Wrestling Observer reported recently that Harris has been on the radar of WWE management, and could very well be brought up to the main roster soon with a new character.
 
For the first time in a long time I actually watched SmackDown tonight. And the reason why is.......Daniel Bryan. Heels aren't necessarily draws for me I grew up in the Bret Hart era. But man his character is so good. It hearkens to Angle a lot and I loved Angle's schtick too. The thing with AJ just makes it even better.

I'm openly rooting for Bryan to win at WM.
 
Oh God I was going to reply to this with sarcasm about my Dad being friends with Vince and my cousin being on a roller derby team with Steph in college as the whole "I know someone in the business" crap is the worst "I'm losing badly so I'll make stuff up" argument in the history of the net.

For all those people supposedly telling you that (Nice job on ignoring the facts that shot you down when it comes to development btw), there are shoots, biographies and interviews from guys who actually made it into the top end of the WWE that will tell you you don't understand the business and the process of making new stars.

Then put me on ignore, and quit responding to me if you're so convinced that I don't understand wrestling, because I'm tired of you and Metallo always jumping on your professional wrestling high horse anytime I come around here with an opinion that you don't like.
 
You know, I disagree with a lot of your points, but I won't join in on the Miz-bashing others have engaged in, as I agree with you that The Miz HAS elevated himself. He is an immensely improved performer. When you look at how terrible he was at first, then through hard work and dedication, he made himself passable in the ring, then with even more hard work and dedication, he made himself good. I don't think The Miz had innate wrestling ability, this didn't come naturally to him, so I have a lot of respect for his passion, in the face of naysayers, for elevating himself the way he did.

But though he's good in the ring, he's not the best. Though he's good on the mic, he's not the best. So my point is, why is it that you see him as a star over superior contemporaries. Why, in turn, do you suddenly find him less compelling now? Which brings me back to my point: you thought The Miz was a star, because he was presented as a star. He had an extended run, on Raw - the show you watch - where he was WWE Heavyweight Champion for a long time, got a lot of mic time and a lot of interaction with top stars like Cena. He was presented as a top guy, and you bought into that.

But WWE's problem from time to time is that they don't have long-term commitment to such pushes. Someone is a top guy for a while, then once Cena beats them, there's nowhere else for them to go but down the card, and they flounder while someone else gets pushed up and is top guy for a while. There's not enough depth on the top of the card to keep people on top. And that's the problem with the lack of stars comes from.

Is someone like Daniel Bryan going to be The Guy, the top babyface who moves merchandise and sells out arenas with his name on the marquee like Cena? Sadly, I doubt it, even though he's probably my favourite wrestler. But he could very easily be The Other Guy, a dependable top-tier heel who can be set against your top babyfaces who move the merchandise and sell out the arenas. That's the kind of role that made Jericho, Edge, Kurt Angle, even HHH into stars. But the key is continued commitment. It's not an interchangable role. If you depush Bryan after he drops the title, he only gave the rub to Sheamus or whoever. If you keep him in top-level programs, and keep him credible for a second title reign in the future, that's an investment, and he becomes a guy who you can continue to use to elevate others in future, while he in turn is elevated through a consistent commitment.

I'm not going to talk about Miz in the ring, because anytime I talk about in ring performances guys like Hunter and Metallo flock to bash the **** out of me for disrespecting the wrestling business and telling me that I don't understand it.

As far as on the mic goes, when The Miz is actually doing something legitimate, I believe he's the most on character of today's generation of super stars. CM Punk obviously has the higher ceiling, his shoot promo last year was proof of that, but Punk doesn't consistently grab my attention the way Miz does. Not bashing on Punk, but constant shoots and shock value promos lose their novelty after awhile.

Whenever I praise Miz, I'm always told by those who apparently understand better than me what Miz doesn't excel at, but the fact is that's all subjective, and in my subjective opinion, Miz actually does excel at all the things people say he doesn't. His character work from promos, to his antics, to his match shenanigans all make him the best all around character in wrestling right now as far as I'm concerned. And as part of the character, I also think it's absolutely hilarious when he takes a beating, and taps out at the first sign of fight after all the big talk he puts out. I would get more enjoyment out of watching Miz get squashed in a match than to watch Daniel Bryan "put on a clinic", because Miz' character work while getting squashed is going to be a thousand times more enjoyable than Bryan's character work in his match.

I'm using that as an example, because Miz and Bryan are two main subjects of this discussion.

I don't hate Daniel Bryan. In fact, in many ways I do quite like him. He just doesn't entertain me enough to carry a show. If Daniel Bryan was holding the US or IC title, and mid carding Raw, I think he'd be awesome. But as the focal point of an entire show (Smackdown), he absolutely bores the crap out of me.

So while people say Miz doesn't do this, that, or the other thing as well as his contemporaries, I disagree. I think he does do those things as well as, and better than, his contemporaries.

As for why Miz is less compelling now, it's because he's now in a rather standard and stale, played out story arc of the heel who *****es about not having a match. And while some can say "AHA! You don't like him because he's not being booked right", I would respond to that by saying he's really not doing anything new or innovative with the opportunity he has at the moment. This isn't the same guy who, same time last year, was dressing up as The Rock to put a People's Elbow on Cena. He's toned down on so many of the things that made me a fan of his in the first place. He's like Miz-Lite lately, which is why I find him less compelling.

It also helps that Raw is now filled with guys like The Rock, Chris Jericho, Triple H, Undertaker, and Shawn Michaels who all own high spots on my top 10 all time favorites, including Rock, Triple H, and Jericho who all fill out my top 3.

I do agree that the post title reign de-pushes don't help these guys much, but I think where my problem lies is that most of these guys who get a title reign, then de-pushed, shouldn't have been holding the WWE Championship or World Heavyweight Championship in the first place. The WWE right now has a backwards way of doing things where they put a belt on the guy to push him, instead of letting him get pushed and work his way up to the belt.

Jack Swagger may be the worst offender of this, but the original Sheamus title runs, some of CM Punk's earlier runs, Del Rio's runs, hell even my boy Miz I feel got the belt a half a step too soon but he made the best of it.

The CM Punk of now earned his top spots, and deserves all the title reigns he's ever gonna get. Ziggler is being incorporated slowly into the main event, giving him some major upper mid card focus with some main event dabbling as he works to show he belongs. These are proper ways to build main event stars with credibility that deserve main event belts.
 
I liked Awesome Truth. Miz and Truth have good chemistry in my opinion. I don't hate Miz but he doesn't do anything for me by himself. His best stuff for me is when he worked with Morrison and Truth. He's had one solo promo and two singles matches that impressed me, that's it. Here is the promo that I'm talking about: [YT]xzIwLeHLobA[/YT]
 
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Miz hasn't done anything remotely interesting in ages. His character has went stale and remained unchanged for a long time.

Whereas a year from now, I very much doubt that we'll still see Bryan doing "Yes! Yes! Yes!", unless the chant becomes as over as the Austin What chant.
 
Actually I think Yes Yes Yes is Bryan's "It's True". I can see him using it for a while, until he takes that character into "dangerous technical wrestler" zone like Angle and uses it more sporadically.
 
Then put me on ignore, and quit responding to me if you're so convinced that I don't understand wrestling, because I'm tired of you and Metallo always jumping on your professional wrestling high horse anytime I come around here with an opinion that you don't like.

I don't have an ignore feature as being an Admin I can see everything including deleted posts, plus it's a feature I've never used in 8 years here. Your constant "I'm being picked on" routine is tiresome, it's got zero to do with your opinion and everything to do with the lack of logic and the way you present the opinion that leads to people calling you on what you post, you often post obnoxious little posts looking for a bite and when you get it you cry foul.
 
Whereas a year from now, I very much doubt that we'll still see Bryan doing "Yes! Yes! Yes!", unless the chant becomes as over as the Austin What chant.

I can see "Yes!" becoming the next "What?!" if Bryan turns face within the next 12 months or so.
 
I can see "Yes!" becoming the next "What?!" if Bryan turns face within the next 12 months or so.

Heck, if his path follows that of CM Punk's rise to ultra fame (from having gone from straight edge savior to Nexus Messiah to antihero badass) then Daniel will be yet another top face that the company needs.
 
I don't have an ignore feature as being an Admin I can see everything including deleted posts, plus it's a feature I've never used in 8 years here. Your constant "I'm being picked on" routine is tiresome, it's got zero to do with your opinion and everything to do with the lack of logic and the way you present the opinion that leads to people calling you on what you post, you often post obnoxious little posts looking for a bite and when you get it you cry foul.

As long as you continue to twist my words to suit your views, I will not continue to have discussion with you anymore.
 
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Okay, from those I'll be watching Smackdown once I'm done with Top Shot.
 
I liked Awesome Truth. Miz and Truth have good chemistry in my opinion. I don't hate Miz but he doesn't do anything for me by himself. His best stuff for me is when he worked with Morrison and Truth. He's had one solo promo and two singles matches that impressed me, that's it. Here is the promo that I'm talking about: [YT]xzIwLeHLobA[/YT]

I sorta agree. It's too bad Awesome Truth ended too soon and just became cannon fodder for the Rock/Cena feud.

Nell, I have to comment on something you said:

They agree with me when ultimately I say wrestling is about putting on a good show, not "putting guys over",

I agree to an extent, but both go hand in hand. And you know this. It gets boring sometimes when the same person always wins. Heck, you even complained about Cena always winning at one point. Putting new guys over is important to putting on a good show and keeping main-event scene fresh.

Perfect example: back in 2000, in main-event scene was Rock, Triple H, and Undertaker. Foley had just retired, and it was pretty much Rock and Triple H feuding, with Undertaker returning. While Rock/HHH is a good feud, they needed to inject new life into the scene, leading to the inclusion of Angle, Benoit, and Jericho.

It's important especially when you have guys that are on the brink and just need more solidifying. That's why despite how much I'm anticipating CM Punk vs Jericho at Mania, I still wish it was CM Punk vs Triple H. I won't argue that Jericho/Punk would be better in-ring wise, but Triple H is higher up on the ladder and considered an icon. A win over him would really put Punk over as the Man. As someone said, the only person who's really done that for Punk at this point is Cena. Back in 1998, Austin went over HBK, then over Foley in a multi-month feud, then Kane, and then the Undertaker. Going over is very important in putting on a good show.

As for Miz, he has come a long way. But like many said, he shouldn't have been main-eventing Mania. Part of that has to do with the fact that Cena was beefing with Rock at the time, and Miz looked like a mortal standing next to titans in that ordeal. The third wheel indeed. Second, I thought his WWE title run was booked poorly. He didn't really get a credible win. I mean, retired Jerry Lawler nearly beat him in a ladder match for goodness sakes.

Strange and surprising, Daniel Bryan's world title run has been booked better, and he actually has a credible win in defeating Mark Henry and Big Show in a steel cage match at the Royal Rumble. I don't know if Creative is finally getting how to book sniveling heels, or some political maneuvering by HBK to protect his former protege, but it's been a solid run.

Anyway, I'm finished. Carry on....:hyper:
 
Bret Hart Says Hogan Was "Too Afraid" To Face Him in 1993

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Big Update: Evan Bourne Suffers Severe Foot Injury; Details

Harris Gets a New FCW Gimmick

Former WWE NXT star Husky Harris debuted a new gimmick at Thursday's FCW show, playing a religious zealot named Levi Wyatt. He was introduced as a member of the audience, then cut a heel promo before defeating FCW star Jiro in a singles match.

The Wrestling Observer reported recently that Harris has been on the radar of WWE management, and could very well be brought up to the main roster soon with a new character.

So will the WWE still acknowledge the fact that his daddy is Mike Rotunda? If so, once again the name change is ******ed.
 
So will the WWE still acknowledge the fact that his daddy is Mike Rotunda? If so, once again the name change is ******ed.

No he will be the kayfabe illegitimate child of Waylon Mercy lol.
 
Maybe the disciple of Mordecai?
 
For the first time in a long time I actually watched SmackDown tonight. And the reason why is.......Daniel Bryan. Heels aren't necessarily draws for me I grew up in the Bret Hart era. But man his character is so good. It hearkens to Angle a lot and I loved Angle's schtick too. The thing with AJ just makes it even better.

I'm openly rooting for Bryan to win at WM.

I was never the biggest fan of Bryan's current gimmick (not to be confused with me being a hater of Bryan, as I've always been an admirer), though I am now warming to it.

However, I still am rooting for Sheamus to win at Mania as a personal preference, where the majority of the consensus here have seen and followed the journey and ascension of guys like Bryan and Punk and understandably are rooting for these guys and enjoying their successes. I've similarly followed guys like Sheamus, McIntyre and Barrett, so hopefully people can understand my point of view from that respect.

To each his own, and all. :) :up:
 
I was never the biggest fan of Bryan's current gimmick (not to be confused with me being a hater of Bryan, as I've always been an admirer), though I am now warming to it.

However, I still am rooting for Sheamus to win at Mania as a personal preference, where the majority of the consensus here have seen and followed the journey and ascension of guys like Bryan and Punk and understandably are rooting for these guys and enjoying their successes. I've similarly followed guys like Sheamus, McIntyre and Barrett, so hopefully people can understand my point of view from that respect.

To each his own, and all. :) :up:

Sheamus has come a long way and he deserves the push he's getting. At first I thought he was just one of Triple H boys getting attention due to nepotism. Glad I was proven wrong. I don't mind if Bryan or Sheamus wins. I just don't want either to get shunted down the food chain when Mania's over.
 
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Sheamus has come a long way and he deserves the push he's getting. At first I thought he was just one of Triple H boys getting attention due to nepotism. Glad I was proven wrong. I don't mind if Bryan or Sheamus wins. I just don't want either to get shunted down the food chain when Mania's over.

Completely agree with this, my friend. :up:
 
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