If The Wrestling Thread Keeps Changing Titles, Thread Manager Gets A Brogue Kick

[Wheels]

I'm all for JoMo returning as long as he unties that ball and chain.

 

[Metallo]

I'd say it's a lock for his return. But Melina will have to stay at home.

If he hadn't shaved it I'd say Melina would probably try to sneak in clinging within Alberts back hair.

 

[Van Petrol]

I'm not completely against the idea, but I do wonder if this Bryan proposed never-ending reign is stemming more form what his fan consensus want to see with him in the spotlight rather than what may the be best idea all round for the company and business as a whole.

Possible predjudice and bias issues aside though, I can see the potential of the idea, and would be willing to give it a chance.

 

[NDX]

When you say "hate" do you mean they hate him enough to want to see him get his a** kicked or do they hate him to the point they just change the channel when he's on?

If its the former then he might be doing his job perfectly...which is great. So many people want to be the cool heel now so its nice to see Bryan buck that trend.

The former, they want to see old Ronald McDonald kick his vegan ass.

 

[ImWithTeamConan]

The former, they want to see old Ronald McDonald kick his vegan ass.

Then he is doing his job well. The time to make news stars was two years ago, we are in an accelerated process now.

Bryan is young and over right now, win or lose he should definitely stay in the main event scene.

What cannot happen is that shuffling thru the card that has occurred recently with Henry (mad about that one, he was doing AMAZING work, know he got injured but c'mon Vince), Christian, and Del Rio.

Ziggler, Rhodes, and Bryan are the future top heels of this company.

 

[Hunter Rider]

@Keyser, Punk vs Cody for the WWE title on Raw? I'd be all for that feud. t:

Still pissed he wasn't the one to tag team with God.

Oh what an angle that was.

That could be a good idea. Kinda' like when Rock finally got the strap of Triple H at Backlash back in 2000. It built up so much, that the crowd went absolutely crazy when Triple H finally lost the title.

Exactly. Sheamus chase has been very short and to me these two could really build the belt change match up to fever pitch, which long term makes Sheamus win more memorable and gets his title reign off to a strong start.

I'm not completely against the idea, but I do wonder if this Bryan proposed never-ending reign is stemming more form what his fan consensus want to see with him in the spotlight rather than what may the be best idea all round for the company and business as a whole.

Possible predjudice and bias issues aside though, I can see the potential of the idea, and would be willing to give it a chance.

I'm a big Bryan fan but I think any longer than Summerslam and you risk turning his good heat into the old X Pac heat.

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[Van Petrol]

Exactly. Sheamus chase has been very short and to me these two could really build the belt change match up to fever pitch, which long term makes Sheamus win more memorable and gets his title reign off to a strong start.

I'm really liking this idea, but I don't have the faith in WWE creative to see this and play it out like so. They'd probably make it the first match of the night at the May PPV, in turn saving the main event slot for another John Cena squash-fest.

I'm a big Bryan fan but I think any longer than Summerslam and you risk turning his good heat into the old X Pac heat.

I agree, and this is what I am concerned about too.

 

[Van Petrol]

What a rare sight that has become...Randy smiling..


Lillian is Fiiiiine though!

 

[Pink Ranger]

"I took a crap in your purse, and carved 'horseface' into your car."

"Meh, still not the worst job I've had."

 

[Hunter Rider]

I'm really liking this idea, but I don't have the faith in WWE creative to see this and play it out like so. They'd probably make it the first match of the night at the May PPV, in turn saving the main event slot for another John Cena squash-fest.

That's always a grim possibility no doubt, but I think WWE know they have to get some other guys over and Sheamus apparently has the faith of management, so it wouldn't surprise me to see him given center stage at a PPV outside of Mania right now.

I agree, and this is what I am concerned about too.

They could do some sort of switch mid-reign and then back to him ala Triple H and Edge's reigns I guess, but they need to be careful.

What a rare sight that has become...Randy smiling..


Lillian is Fiiiiine though!

That's why he's smiling.

 

[NDX]

Damn.

 

[Hunter Rider]

- WWE Superstar and WrestleMania 28 headliner The Rock recently spoke to AP writer Dan Gelston about the possibility of facing former WWE Superstar and UFC champion Brock Lesnar in the main event of next year's WrestleMania.
"I'm not saying a thing," Rock said with a smirk and a raised eyebrow. "I didn't say anything."

- WWE Superstar John Cena recently spoke to the Ottawa Sun and talked about why fans should not expect a heel turn anytime in the near future. "I have fun with the business. I love every second of it. I love to be right there in the middle of the hunt. At the end of the day, it's not my job to force people in any direction. I just go out there and see what happens. You can analyze character development all day, but with the current state of affairs, there is no need or rationale for me to deviate from what I'm doing."

Cena continued, "I don't think it's necessarily important for the kids to look up to me. I think it's important for them to look up to someone. In present day and age, sometimes I am that someone. As long as you're the someone, you need to make conscious decisions about who's watching you. I have very good estimation on our audience, especially the ones that follow me. I try to handle myself accordingly."

- In a recent PWTorch Livecast with Wade Keller, wrestling legend Kevin Nash explained why his planned match with CM Punk never happened.

"I'll tell you what nobody knows about this entire thing. I never went into it and WWE never went into it because of the privacy issue. What happened was, because of the Wellness Program, because my dad died of a heart attack at 36 years old, they do beyond a thorough physical. Well, my heart and everything else was fine, but I'm on Plavix and Plavix is a blood platelet agulator; they call it a blood thinner."

Nash goes into more detail on this specific situation, as well as his take on a variety of other subjects. Check out the full podcast online at BlogTalkRadio.com.

 

[Metallo]

Lillian Garcia continues to look better with age. Amazing. Vince and HHH have been staring at naked roided up dudes too long if they think she's ugly.


Finishing off the Rocks new dvd.

"Bah GAWD! Rock and Taker just went thorough the tag champs like X-Lax through a widowed woman!"

What the hell does that even MEAN, Jim Ross????? Whats the significance of her being a widow?


I forgot all about that Raw match between he and Flair in the leadup to Summerslam 2002. Good match. Rock was at his peak and the Naitch could still go. They were in Horsemen country too so that crowd reaction was great.

 

[Dr. Evil]

The WWE did the smart thing, IMO and not shoehorn Randy Orton into the World Heavyweight Championship match. However, I think the WWE will do the same after Wrestlemania 28.

 

[NDX]

Sooooooo the blood thinner stopped Nash from wrestling CM Punk but not getting killed by Triple H? Oooookay.

 

[Metallo]

I believe Nash had some kind of medical issue but it doesn't explain why they couldn't have had some kind of blow off match later between he and Punk after he was cleared to compete.

Seems to me like Nash and HHH just got one over on the champ so they could work with each other.

Now he's saber rattling about going back to TNA because he's bored. I though he was retired???? Make up your damn mind, Big Kev. For once in your life have some loyalty to a company. He left TNA high and dry for that bigger paycheck. i can't blame him for the paycheck but to act like he wants to go back for good reasons is crap.

He's said nothing but what TNA could do for him. Not what he could do for them. They'd be fools to resign him.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

They're fools, so of course they'd resign him in a heartbeat.

 

[Metallo]

They're fools, so of course they'd resign him in a heartbeat.

I'd guess that'd make WWE bigger fools then. They're probably paying him ten times the money to suck just as much.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I hear that Alex Kozlov is back on the Indy circuit. That's good because he probably would have moved up to the WWE roster and then be billed as from Kazakhstan.

 

[Slushy]

Well, since I neither own the company nor have stock in it, I say fu** "What's good for business". I'm cheering the guy that I like best.

- WWE Superstar and WrestleMania 28 headliner The Rock recently spoke to AP writer Dan Gelston about the possibility of facing former WWE Superstar and UFC champion Brock Lesnar in the main event of next year's WrestleMania.

"I'm not saying a thing," Rock said with a smirk and a raised eyebrow. "I didn't say anything."

Rock Vs. Brock II would arguably be the most anticipated rematch since Michaels Vs. Undertaker

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Well, since I neither own the company nor have stock in it, I say fu** "What's good for business". I'm cheering the guy that I like best.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Nell, I have to comment on something you said:



I agree to an extent, but both go hand in hand. And you know this. It gets boring sometimes when the same person always wins. Heck, you even complained about Cena always winning at one point. Putting new guys over is important to putting on a good show and keeping main-event scene fresh.

Perfect example: back in 2000, in main-event scene was Rock, Triple H, and Undertaker. Foley had just retired, and it was pretty much Rock and Triple H feuding, with Undertaker returning. While Rock/HHH is a good feud, they needed to inject new life into the scene, leading to the inclusion of Angle, Benoit, and Jericho.

It's important especially when you have guys that are on the brink and just need more solidifying. That's why despite how much I'm anticipating CM Punk vs Jericho at Mania, I still wish it was CM Punk vs Triple H. I won't argue that Jericho/Punk would be better in-ring wise, but Triple H is higher up on the ladder and considered an icon. A win over him would really put Punk over as the Man. As someone said, the only person who's really done that for Punk at this point is Cena. Back in 1998, Austin went over HBK, then over Foley in a multi-month feud, then Kane, and then the Undertaker. Going over is very important in putting on a good show.

As for Miz, he has come a long way. But like many said, he shouldn't have been main-eventing Mania. Part of that has to do with the fact that Cena was beefing with Rock at the time, and Miz looked like a mortal standing next to titans in that ordeal. The third wheel indeed. Second, I thought his WWE title run was booked poorly. He didn't really get a credible win. I mean, retired Jerry Lawler nearly beat him in a ladder match for goodness sakes.

Strange and surprising, Daniel Bryan's world title run has been booked better, and he actually has a credible win in defeating Mark Henry and Big Show in a steel cage match at the Royal Rumble. I don't know if Creative is finally getting how to book sniveling heels, or some political maneuvering by HBK to protect his former protege, but it's been a solid run.

Anyway, I'm finished. Carry on....

See, everything that you posted here is what I disagree with.

I don't think that guys need "credible" wins, I don't believe Miz suffered for it, and I don't believe that CM Punk needs to beat a "top" guy to get over.

Miz got over with me because of the character work he was putting in at the time. I didn't feel like he was a "weak" champion because he was struggling against Lawler. Here's what you have to remember, on the screen, these guys are characters. Ultimately, they are superheroes. While in real life Lawler may be in his 60's, on screen in kayfabe, he's The King. Not only that, but they were working on building Lawler up to his feud with Michael Cole. Whether that feud should have happened or not, they were inserting Lawler into his own storyline, so essentially King was getting pushed.

CM Punk doesn't need to beat Triple H to get over with me - he's over because he's put in great character work since he dropped the Straight Edge persona, shot on WWE, and walked out with the belt. He's credible of his own merits, not because someone put him over and "did the job" for him. CM Punk could lose to Jericho at Wrestlemania and as far as I'm concerned, it wouldn't hurt a damn thing about him. He'd still be over.

And ultimately, that's where I disagree with the mindset of this thread. Wrestling isn't about putting guys over, or credible wins, because if a guy is good, he's gonna get over regardless. Ziggler hasn't had a real big win, yet he's climbing up the totem pole. Why? Because his character work that he's doing is improving, and he's taking himself to a main event level. Nobody has "done the job" for him, he's getting over because he's displaying skill.

Your example of 2000 with Jericho, Benoit and Angle - they earned their main event spot because they absolutely tore the house down in the upper mid card, and showed that they were bigger than that. They worked their way to the top and earned it.

Yea, obviously it's both - a guy has to be given the opportunity, but he also has to roll with it. Guys have gotten "put over", had people "do the job" for them, and gotten those pushes, and still flounder because they suck. On the other hand, guys have "weak" runs, and yet still get over without someone "doing the job" for them because they get themselves over with their talent. And that's why I don't buy the whole "so and so needs to 'do the job'" mindset, and why I don't allow myself to get caught up in it when I'm watching.

 

[Darkness Falls]

Lillian Garcia continues to look better with age. Amazing. Vince and HHH have been staring at naked roided up dudes too long if they think she's ugly.


Finishing off the Rocks new dvd.

"Bah GAWD! Rock and Taker just went thorough the tag champs like X-Lax through a widowed woman!"

What the hell does that even MEAN, Jim Ross????? Whats the significance of her being a widow?
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he said a variation of it during the chamber match at summerslam 03: Jr: Bah gawd goldbergs going through these men like salt through a widowed woman

 

[Kaleb]