Knowing this thread as I do, I can surmise most of the guys here did not notice her hair, and additionally that an astonishing 13% are unaware of the existence of a head.
Hey now that head still has some uses. I was however SHOCKED to discover that she had a brain. And eyes. And vocal cords.
Originally Posted by bullets
I remember Ziggler used to do Flair's strut. It makes no sense for Miz to inherit Flair's gimmick. It's not like he really needed it or will ever come close to filling the role. I like the idea of guys inherited moves. Especially Ziggler using the superkick , but Miz being paired with Flair was desperate.
Big elements of Flairs character were excellence and arrogance. Skilll and flamboyance. Miz is arrogant but he can't back up what he says the way Flair could. Flair said he was the sixty minute man and he showed that in the matches in ring. He cheated but you knew IF he had to he could outwrestle anyone who steped between the ropes to face him. No full time wrestler around today cuts the schedule Flair did as champion. Nobody.
You hated Flair but dammit you also loved him because he was so awesome. The Horsemen were among the first cool heels. You wanted to live that lifestyle of money and women and limos andf nice suits. All that isn't Miz and he can't back up what he says when he calls himself the best wrestler alive.
Flair radiated confidence. Thats why he looked credible in feathered sequins robes with five women on each arm. We believed in his greatness because
HE believed in his greatness. He believed because he proved it in the ring and on the mic every single night.
This is exactly why Punk would of been a good fit in the triple threat. I think Punk vs Taker is very likely ( especially after yesterday) , but adding to Cena / Rock would of solved many problems. Vince might be sick of Cena vs Punk , but it's a Wrestlemania match waiting to happen. We could of had Cena pin Rock. Punk would lose , but not have to take a pin. Then Punk vs Cena at Extreme Rules in a match so brutal ( possibly I quit) that would make sense for Punk to be written off tv to rest for Summerslam.
Ditto. I think adding Punk would make the whole thing more creative, more interesting, and more unpredictable. Its an element that wasn't there before. Punks participation makes the entire match more original. Those three have had big matches with each other in any two combinations but we've never seen the three together before. It would be a first.
Originally Posted by Dr. Evil
I expect the WWE to accuse Glenn Beck next of being a racist.
W-wait...he's not?
Originally Posted by Hotwire
The only thing I can think of is that Ric picked Miz for the role.
I think they gave Miz the
"next Ric Flair" angle to get him more over as a face for
The Marine 3's release. Flairs almost always done what WWE asked so I doubt he made any noise about it. The original plan was supposedly Flair beingpaired with Dolph though.
Originally Posted by Pink Ranger
That would be awesome, for no other reason than to cement that Linda is giving up her political ambitions forever, and that the WWE creative team will have freer reign.
I don't think it would hurt her among the more centrist/mainstream members of the Republican estableshment; The Roves, The Trumps, the Romneys, and even the Murdocks. The business/economic conservatives and not the religious and evangelical types. Fox news cut Beck loose a while back. The more extreme right wing members of the party were never going to vote for Linda anyway so its no big loss. She wants to court the money people. The power brokers. It was the only shot she ever had to win public office. The problem is people from all sides don't take her seriously as a candidate (besides the money she can spend and some business experience) because of her professional background and the things she's been involved in.
A number of Republicans are finding themselves in no win scenarios because of the way certain things are playing out in primaries depending on their challengers and some shifting voter expectations. Linda McMahon wouldn't be the only one on either side of the party to find it hard to be elected or relected in certain scenarios.
Originally Posted by RetroNaz
I would love to see chair shots to the head, amazing (yet risky) spots and just general garbage wrestling return again.
...said no true wrestling fan, ever.
Amen.
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Even if Punk defeated Rock and looked strong, I wouldn't have believed him being able to end The Streak. Not even close.
But he'd still look a lot stronger going against the streak if he'd beaten the Rock instead of getting his ass kicked by another part timer two PPV's in a row.
It would be the same reason as Hunter wrestling a rematch with Lesnar. To get his win back. The big difference? Undertaker actually deserves to get his win back unlike b*tch ass HHH.
I parrtly agree with this since Taker DID do something to put Lesnar over big early in his career. Triple H never did sh** for Brock.
For some strange reason, Savage and Rude (as far as I know) never wrestled in the WWF. Thankfully, they did have a recorded match against each other in Memphis with Rude going over.
Huge missed opportunity by WWF. Those two could have had classic matches together.
Originally Posted by Antman
The Simpsons just aired an episode where it's revealed that Grandpa was an ex-wrestler. Having grown up as a fan of both I found that cool.
EDitT-- Actually it airs next week I read a post wrong. I don't watch new episodes anymore.
The Simpsons has actually gotten little better in the years after the movie. I still dont go out of my way to watch it though. Its not anywhere near as good as it used to be during its peak but its better than it was about 10 years ago. I found the show increasingly unwatchable back then. I don't really watch much now but when I do occasionally tune it its actually not bad.
The Simpsons episode with (a vocally impersonated) Bret Hart was a favorite way back when. That was one way I KNEW Bret had made an impact on the pop culture during his WWF run. When the Simpsons spoofs you at its peak then you've done something recognizable in the mainstream.
The Family Guy/American Dad/Cleveland Show episodes with Hogan and Flair were two cartoons with wrestlers that entertained me recently. I think the Flair episode re-aired last night.
Originally Posted by brainchild81
Neither deserves or needs it. They both probably think they do, but that selfish attitude is bad for biz. Brock should beat the hell out of both of them. They've both had great careers that won't be enhanced by the win or damaged by the loss. It's stupid to bring a legit monster back to make 2 old cripples look good. Have somebody who needs it beat Brock
Agreed. Great post. Sums it up perfectly. They should both be used to elevate Brock for bigger things right now. HHH and Taker are well beyond the point in their careers where they NEED a win back from Lesnar. The losses to Lesnar didn't hurt them at all. Right now HHH and Taker SHOULD be doing things like that to help build up other stars and thus build up overall storylines to their maximum payoff.
The whole damn problem with WWE right now is that isn't happening and we have the top guys and part timers doing circle jerking programs with each other while the rest of the roster gets creative's scraps. Wins over Lesnar, with his appearances limited as they are, would better serve people who actually NEED that rub. People like Punk or Ziggler.
Even if Brock is around for another year or two who knows how often he will actually wrestle or how long he will stick around when his current contract is up. Hell he could just up and ask for his release if he and Vince get pissed at each other. Not unheard of. Its too risky to waste a valuable wrestling commodity like Lesnar on two aging, physically limited stars in the twilight of their careers.
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Brock's signed on for two more years so there's plenty of time for the kids to try to go over him.
Give the people what they want and have Undertaker beat Lesnar to make both men look good. WWE got the attention of millions of people by simply having a 3 second staredown take place, but instead of following on that build-up as well as their past history, we're getting Lesnar Vs. Helmsley and Punk Vs. Undertaker instead. Two matches I have absolute zero interest in and that's why Wrestlemania 29 overall will not be good.
By "the people" you mean you right?
Over the last ten years I haven't heard or read about most WWE fans CLAMORING and BEGGING to see Lesnar and Taker have a rematch so Taker can get his win back. Hell the kids in the audience really don't give a sh**. "The people?" Have you polled every WWE fan on the planet since you are at a point where you can speak for all of them? Even with all the die hard wrestling fans in this thread not everybody gives a damn whether or not Taker beats Lesnar.
I'm sure some fans would be happy to see Lesnar and Taker face off again. Thats just the reality of things and common sense. But there are just as many who I doubt have lost any sleep over the fact Taker hasn't gotten his win back yet.
If Brock asks for his release tomorrow because he thinks WWE is screwing him in some way how is there any time for "the kids" to get a chance to work with Lesnar? Its possible. Nobody can guarentee Lesnar will stick around for the full length of his contract or that he won't get hurt or sick again.
Originally Posted by
Hunter Rider
I think Ricardo is the only reason he's getting any face reaction at all, it's face by association, like Triple H did for years with HBK.
Oooooooo...burned!
Ricardo acctually does a better job making a connection with people. He gets the entertainment aspect. Wouldn't be the first time a valet, manservant, or manager got more over than the superstar he/she was paired with. Sable and Marc Mero anyone? Kimberly and Hogans buddy The Booty Man?
Del Rio can work in the ring but I find myself usually not giving a sh** about him as a character. Very little personal magnetism. He mimes his way through the physical part of those charms (the smirk, the grins, the winks, etc.) but theres nothing else behind all that the way someone like The Rock has "it" when it comes to charisma.
That's a sad truth, and they make it worse with all the big matches they give away on free TV, so even matches they could build to feel bigger than the norm, are undermined by the fact they have happened multiple times already on Raw or SD.
True. They've given a ton of big matches away for free on tv in recent years. Thats actually worse now that there are so few big money matches left. And the lack of stars is why sh** like Lesnar vs HHH II pisses me off. Why Ziggler being jobbed out pisses me off.
That's a good point about Hall being the forerunner to Austin, unlike Nash and HBK who were given whitemeat treatment, Hall didn't change his character much when he went from heel to face, and I agree, despite what Flair says, Hall was a good worker that could pretty much have a decent match with anyone.
You're right. Thats partly why Nash and Michaels lost momentum when they were babyface champs in 1995 and 96 respectively. Vince was dumb enough to take away everything that made the cool and got them over when they were heels. Nobody wanted to see them smiling like idiots, high fiving fans, and kissing babies. They wanted to see these guys keep a little of that edge that made them so entertaining in the first place. Everyone learned that lesson by 97.
Like you said Razor still had some of his edge as a babyface.
All the planning in the world can't save the finish though, unlike with Hogan vs Warrior where you had two mega over faces and uncertainty over who is winning, here you have an obvious result and one that will not be met with much positivity.
Thats why I said its impossible to fix as a one on one match now. The curtain has been pulled back. Hogan/Warriors story and buildup were booked brilliantly. Both played their parts brilliantly in the build up and the match. The concept of babyface champ vs babyface champ at Wrestlemania was such a fresh and original idea for them at the time. Two titans colliding felt huge. Both were super over. Rock vs Cena I had a slipshod buildup and there was nothing unique behind the concept of the match. All those problems are magnified with Rock vs Cena II. The title means sh** in fixing it because Rock hasn't done enough to make the belt matter and we all know how it ends.
Even if Vince tried to pull a swerve and Rock retained at Mania it would be stupid and give us an equally bad outcome. Not only would Cena look like a chump (if he stayed face after the match anway) but I'd feel like the rug was pulled out from under me. "Fool me once shame on you..." and all that. But this time it would still be shame on Vince for getting us with a cash grab swerve and the same match as last year.
Yep and the tag team titles are ripe for the taking as Team Hell No is heading towards the split, and with the singles roster backlogged they'd be better served as a duo right now.
I agree. Theyd get lost as singles stars. Even the midcard guys who are getting most of the attention from creative seem to be directionless. At least Rhodes Scholars could elevate the tag titles. Hell No had a pretty good and entertaining run but its getting stale. Its run its course and its time for them to split. I just hope they have something worthwhile for Bryan to do.
Originally Posted by The Sage
I have to agree. There's no need for neither, and with Taker's physical condition, it's questionable how good the match will be, especially with Brock's current wrestling style.
Besides, Taker was making a new star when he put Brock over at the time. Why do the vets need to get their wins back when they're making new stars? It was for the good of the company in the long term. How does Taker defeating Brock help the company?
Right on. Top stars shouldn't expect to get their wins back from rookies the've built up unless they
need it for a bigger match going forward. Taker doesn't need it. He's got more than enough popularity and momentum cached away for anything big down the line. Do I NEED to see Cena get his win back from Punk right now? Hell no.
Does anyone
REALLY want to see Lesnar hold back because he and the WWE braintrust don't want to see him hurt an old man with bad hips, bad knees, a bad back, bad shoulder, etc? Takers an aging icon who needs gimmicks to cover for his inadequacies. Lesnars an ass kicker. Thats what he does. He doesn't need gimmicks right now. People want to see him beat the f*** out of opponents with his bare hands and toss them around like a sack of sh**. Not swing chairs. Not roll around on the ground in rest spots and holds. Just punch f***ing holes through guys with those meathook mitts of his.
It was awesome seeing a yougner man in his prime like Cena be able to take a beating and get tossed around by Lesnar. They didn't have to pussyfoot around because they were afraid of Cena getting a booboo. WWE's already spoiled us. Who wants to see a lesser match where Taker gets handled with kid gloves like his name was Mr Glass? We already saw that with Hogan vs Lesnar but Hogan did the job for him and at least they didnt feel the need for Hogan to get his win back. Hogan didn't need it. If Hogan was 15 years younger Hogan vs Lesnar would have been an epic but we saw the sobering reality of what the match was in 02. If its all about only getting the win back do people REALLY think Hogan needs to get his win back too?
Even if The Undertaker DID step up and was willing to take a real beating in the ring then who wants to risk him being crippled for life? Especially if he does have one last match planned that could payoff bigger for the future? Why jeapordize that right now? Besides people have expectations when they think Taker vs Lesnar. In the condition Taker is in now theres a good chance a rematch wouldn't live up to expectations. Who wants to have those memories of what they used t be able to do together tarnished.
Takers spirit is willing. I have no doubts about that. He'd give a hell of a match if he could. But the flesh is....covering a titanium hip.
Originally Posted by Nell2ThaIzzay
It helps the company if it's a match fans want to see and will buy a PPV for.
Thing is - how does Undertaker defeating Brock hurt the company?
Lets ask Bill Goldberg, Kevin Nash, and WCW that question.
