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[LadyVader]

Randomness alert.


James Marsden is hot! Even when he's crying. Those are some damn sexy tears.

 

[X-Maniac]

I think X4 should bring back Cyke and have him and Storm fight over leadership. Maybe they could break into two different groups. I wouldn't mind seeing smaller villians or storylines that are broader and effect more than Jean and Scott. It would also bring out thier personalties and maybe force them to LOOK DEEP INSIDES THEMSELVES

No Hellfire, No Sinister.

Sentinels, Apocalypse (maybe depending on which storyline or maybe a brand new one), Trask, Mastermold, Nimrod, Days of Future Past, The Acolytes...

I wouldn't mind Hellfire and Sinister. Then for one or both to be revealed as pawns of Apocalypse.

It's time for mutants to NOT be victims, for them to be acting for personal gain and for the gain of all mutants. Magneto was motivated by being a victim in his childhood - that's fine. But I'm done with victims. Storm was also too much of a victim!

Let's now see mutants protecting the gene pool (Sinister, Apocalypse) and rising to power (Apocalypse, Hellfire) without any victimology going on. Just pure greed, power-lust, ensuring survival/domination of their kind by rising within society. Not existing outside it like Magneto.

I see Sentinels as something separate, despite them being part of some Hellfire stories. Sentinels should be a government initiative by Trask. Mutants would be unlikely to sanction controls over mutants. (although there is a potential plot twist i can think of where mutants would be behind such a scheme).

 

[X-Maniac]

::Comes back in and relaxes on his chair enjoying the peaceful quiet domain of this thread:: Ah, feels good to have a thread where we can discuss with one another and not fight over petty issues.

You know, I was thinking about The Last Stand, and I began to wonder if it would've been a good idea to incorporate the Sentinels into the final battle? Or would you agree that it would be better to save them fot a future sequel?

I will say that all three films as a whole were wasted potential in terms of the Sentinels. Would've loved to have seen Singer's version of them infilitrating the Mansion, kidnapping children, and so forth. But all we're left with is our imagination what could've been amazing if Fox warranted it from the beginning.

Here's my proposal for an X4.

X4- Bring Cyclops back by having Mr. Sinister being the one that kidnapped him from Alkali Lake, have Rogue almost kill a boyfriend or Iceman after the cure wears off, and slowly introduce the concept of Apocalypse coming into the picture.

Of course, I'd bring back Colossus, Angel, Beast, Kitty, Multiple Man, Nightcrawler, and introduce Gambit or Forge as the new characters for the X-Men. I also mentioned bring Days of Future Past to the big screen as it's a unique concept and has a Terminator 2 kind of vibe for me, you know? So we're left with the Days of Future Past, Age of Apocalypse, or maybe the Muir Island Saga? So many possibilities and stories to adapt to a big screen format.

Anyone think Onslaught would be too complicated to bring forth as well?

There is going to be fighting at times, Sunrise; that's part of this place...

But, anyway, on to Sentinels. They might have worked okay in X2 - you can sense where they would have been. Replace the soldiers with mini-Sentinels, replace the stolen parts of Cerebro with Cerebro's mutant database, replace the panels Magneto rearranges with Sentinel circuitry (he rose in the air and rearranged them to target humans in the Ultimate X-Men, which I believe was before the second movie, but can't be sure). But X2 worked fine without them -- although I'd rather have seen Jean's mind targeted by Jason (as in the comicbook Phoenix Saga) as part of her loss of control...

Sentinels will work well in an X4 if Singer does it, since he has the concept down already for the ones that would have been in X2. Maybe Trask and others authorise Operation Wideawake. This would need to be a secret plan without the president's permission as X3 ended on a note of peace and acceptance (with Beast's promotion) etc. Or we would need a new president (which wouldn't be a bad thing, as the X3 president lacked gravitas, and the X2 president seemed better, perhaps partly because he was Bush-like!). If there is a new president, why? We'd need to know what had changed. Did public unrest in the current administration build up because of the Alcatraz incident, perhaps with pressure from the military who lost so many lives? Did the existing president die? We'd need a very different world for Sentinels to be introduced. I'm not sure of the idea of having Trask create Sentinels in secret, as it is too much like Stryker. Could Trask become president - is that possible?

 

[BMM]

I always thought sentinels would have worked well in an X-Men 3/X-Men 4 storyline. As is somewhat suggested at the end of X2, the adminstration may take a more favorable stance toward mutants... but may still be wary of them at the same time... perhaps the sentinels would be put in effect as a result of Jean's disastrous turn as Dark Phoenix...

After The Last Stand, they would need to establish a reason to use the sentinels, as everything looks to be fine for mutants by the end of the movie... or at least that's the way it seems...

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Sentinels should have been in X-Men: The Last Stand, plain and simple.

The "drastic measures" taken by the government shouldn't have been to weaponize the cure and send armed troops to Alcatraz. It should have been an approval of Trask's Project Wideawake measure.

It would have been a great subplot through the entire film... the President has pro-mutant policies, as shown by his appointing of Hank McCoy as Secretary of Mutant Affairs. He was keeping up with the changes made by his predecesor (after the X-Men visit the President in X2, he seems to be leaning towards a pro-mutant stance, at least that's the implication), but Trask, who is anti-mutant, is trying to press his Sentinel measure on the President. The President is wary, but after Magneto's terrorist attack on the cure clinic, the President approves it, and Sentinels are activated and sent to Alcatraz to stop the mutant measure.

To work it into the cure plot, while the regular cure could be weaponized, the Sentinels could be programed with it as well. This would be a nod to all the times in which Sentinels have been armed with weapons that have negated a mutant's powers. The cure could be used to install a program into the Sentinels which would have given them this weapon.

After the battle on Alcatraz, instead of the foot soldiers coming behind Jean and shooting onto the mutants, it would have been Sentinels. Not many. I understand an army of them would be way too expensive, and maybe a bit too unrealistic. But 2, maybe 3, that'd be good. Now that Magneto was cured, he couldn't just crush them with his powers. They would set Jean off, give us a nice, epic conclussion to the battle, before the climax with Jean finally needed to take place.

I don't think the story would have to have been changed at all to incorporate Sentinels. The movie just merely would have needed to have been longer to give the set up for the Sentinels, as well as the final climax with them.

Weaponizing the cure would have been the first step, and when even that wasn't enough, Sentinels would have been the extreme measure. Seeing that conflict with the President would have given the movie an impending sense of doom and true threat that I think it was missing.

 

[Mike059jig]

I don't think the sentinel will work well in future X-men movies since the idea of the sentinels is a stimulation program in X3 I don't see much explaination on that....I can see maybe Nimrod or Bastion but no sentinels in X4....

I thought the Sentinels would of worked well after the events of the X3....Th government seeing the Destruction of the Island Mags moving the bridge....and so on would convince the Government to start the Sentinel program up...for X4 but since the sentinel was introduced in the Danger room I see no room for that...

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Sentinels should have been in X-Men: The Last Stand, plain and simple.

The "drastic measures" taken by the government shouldn't have been to weaponize the cure and send armed troops to Alcatraz. It should have been an approval of Trask's Project Wideawake measure.

It would have been a great subplot through the entire film... the President has pro-mutant policies, as shown by his appointing of Hank McCoy as Secretary of Mutant Affairs. He was keeping up with the changes made by his predecesor (after the X-Men visit the President in X2, he seems to be leaning towards a pro-mutant stance, at least that's the implication), but Trask, who is anti-mutant, is trying to press his Sentinel measure on the President. The President is wary, but after Magneto's terrorist attack on the cure clinic, the President approves it, and Sentinels are activated and sent to Alcatraz to stop the mutant measure.

To work it into the cure plot, while the regular cure could be weaponized, the Sentinels could be programed with it as well. This would be a nod to all the times in which Sentinels have been armed with weapons that have negated a mutant's powers. The cure could be used to install a program into the Sentinels which would have given them this weapon.

After the battle on Alcatraz, instead of the foot soldiers coming behind Jean and shooting onto the mutants, it would have been Sentinels. Not many. I understand an army of them would be way too expensive, and maybe a bit too unrealistic. But 2, maybe 3, that'd be good. Now that Magneto was cured, he couldn't just crush them with his powers. They would set Jean off, give us a nice, epic conclussion to the battle, before the climax with Jean finally needed to take place.

I don't think the story would have to have been changed at all to incorporate Sentinels. The movie just merely would have needed to have been longer to give the set up for the Sentinels, as well as the final climax with them.

Weaponizing the cure would have been the first step, and when even that wasn't enough, Sentinels would have been the extreme measure. Seeing that conflict with the President would have given the movie an impending sense of doom and true threat that I think it was missing.

Huh. Nell and I agreeing on something for a change. Well what do you know. t:

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

After The Last Stand, they would need to establish a reason to use the sentinels, as everything looks to be fine for mutants by the end of the movie... or at least that's the way it seems...

I think you meant 'they would need to establish a reason for a blasted X-4 other than good ol' Mags going all huffy and being a big meanie all over again' t:

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Bloody double post. *sigh*

 

[flavio_lebeau]

I'm glad the Sentinels weren't used in X3. I'm also glad Gambit wasn't used. I want Sentinels to be the main plot, not a last-10-minutes-plot-adition to make the movie "cooler", and I want Gambit to be important, and well-written.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm glad the Sentinels weren't used in X3. I'm also glad Gambit wasn't used. I want Sentinels to be the main plot, not a last-10-minutes-plot-adition to make the movie "cooler", and I want Gambit to be important, and well-written.

Pfff. As if the Cajun would turn out to be more than larger than life one-liner spouting flirt in the movieverse.

Not that I'm ok with said notion. I'm just calling it. t:

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

You know, I was thinking about The Last Stand, and I began to wonder if it would've been a good idea to incorporate the Sentinels into the final battle? Or would you agree that it would be better to save them fot a future sequel?

In retrospect, I'm glad sentinels were not used in this film because it would've been an utter waste. Not even sentinels could've lifted this one out of its own feces. I'd rather they hold the idea for a future (quality) sequel, if there'll ever be one.

In theory, however, sentinels were a no-brainer for this one, and should've been included. The humans posed very little threat to the massive mutant army; it was almost a joke. Plastic guns full of needles is the best we could come up with? Cops were tougher on hippies in the 60s.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

In theory, however, sentinels were a no-brainer for this one, and should've been included. The humans posed very little threat to the massive mutant army; it was almost a joke. Plastic guns full of needles is the best we could come up with?

Rule #3 of X-movies: Mutants rock the hardest. Only they get to do EPIC.

Addendum: Like, totally. Mutants ROXOR!!! Humans SUXOR!!!

Cops were tougher on hippies in the 60s.

There goes the PC angle. LOL. t:

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Pfff. As if the Cajun would turn out to be more than larger than life one-liner spouting flirt in the movieverse.

Not that I'm ok with said notion. I'm just calling it. t:

I really fear for the cajun. We wait about 8 eight years for him to be in the movies, and I'm sure that, when/if they announce the character, I'll be pretty worried.

I don't him to be a Wolverine copy (which is almot certain to happen if Hugh leaves).
I don't want him to be cheesy (that's hard if you're not a fan, and see him for the magenta clothes rather than for the serious parts of his character. The writers have to be TRUE fans, and spend some extra time on his dialogue).
I don't want him to be a one-liner fountain (hardest part, I can already see they putting a french word and a one-liner in every sentence of his).

Epilogue: If they had trouble translating characters that had 1% of chance of going wrong, and they got wrong, I really fear for the cajun, who has 99% of chance of going wrong...

At least they know Gambit is a fan favorite, more than most characters (might be the reaon they're so afraid of putting him, knowing the possible reaction). He's such a fan favorite that I'm afraid that no writers or directors will ever want to touch him, knowing what might happen, and considering how hard would be the job of writing him correctly for this entire different universe.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Why are X-Maniac, Danoyse, and Loganbabe posting in this thread? They enjoyed the film, so why are they bugging us with their arguments and trying to convert us?

I'm thinking that if this keeps up I'll report their behavior to a mod. This thread was made for those "who didn't like the movie". It's not for those who LOVE the film and defend it all the time. If a mod doesn't do anything about it, then I'll just place them on ignore and enjoy debating with those who feel the same way as I do and listen/read their suggestions.

For the record, just because we hate the movie doesn't mean we agree on everything.

Dude I don't want to beat a dead thing to a pulp... But were you just high or drunk when you said this? Something bad happen in your personal life... at least the guys you pointed fingers at were willing to get over it so I applaud them... but damn... no wonder I stopped posting in the Xmen forums...

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Dude I don't want to beat a dead thing to a pulp... But were you just high or drunk when you said this? Something bad happen in your personal life... at least the guys you pointed fingers at were willing to get over it so I applaud them... but damn... no wonder I stopped posting in the Xmen forums...

When did speaking your mind equal to being high or drunk? You stopped posting in the X-Men forums? Why did you come back? I guess it's true that no one stays for long.

 

[X-Maniac]

It might be worth directing people to look at the Ralph Winter interview in the X-sequels forum. Winter, a producer on all the X-movies, seems quite happy with X3 and dismissive of fan backlash to any shocking plot points... Which i suppose is what he would say. I can't imagine any producer sobbing about how they got it wrong unless it did pathetically badly in box office revenue. And yet the fact they have spoken to Singer about future movies, and not mentioned Ratner, does seem to reveal something. Very strange.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

It might be worth directing people to look at the Ralph Winter interview in the X-sequels forum. Winter, a producer on all the X-movies, seems quite happy with X3 and dismissive of fan backlash to any shocking plot points... Which i suppose is what he would say. I can't imagine any producer sobbing about how they got it wrong unless it did pathetically badly in box office revenue. And yet the fact they have spoken to Singer about future movies, and not mentioned Ratner, does seem to reveal something. Very strange.

Two words: damage control. t:

And speaking 'pathetically badly'...

I know some of us often argue over what they got 'wrong or right'.

It just dawned on me. A lot of us X3-sceptics are pissed because for the life of us we can't figure out how the hell they could've done it WORSE while still trying to be so goddamn serious about it.

Any takers? Ideas on how X3 could've been worse without being a joke? t:

Edit: Well, moreso of a joke anyway. t:

 

[Goddessreicho]

Wolverine being the only one left alive. Then he's all whiny about it only to realize that the only person left on earth is.....


















































Dane Cook as Deadpool. Then Meniphisto comes up to Logan and says, "Welcome to Hell in a handbag! Need further proof, look fans of the franchise to keep you company."

 

[flavio_lebeau]

The uniforms could go all colorful...Halle could be replaced by Jessica Simpson with black make-up...Rogue could make a explicit sex scene with Bobby right after getting the cure...Professor X and Cyclops could die...oops

the movie could be a lot worse.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Wolverine being the only one left alive. Then he's all whiny about it only to realize that the only person left on earth is.....

Dane Cook as Deadpool.

rotflmao.

Hell indeed.

 

[CapBeerCino]

Winter, a producer on all the X-movies, seems quite happy with X3 and dismissive of fan backlash to any shocking plot points... Which i suppose is what he would say. I can't imagine any producer sobbing about how they got it wrong unless it did pathetically badly in box office revenue. And yet the fact they have spoken to Singer about future movies, and not mentioned Ratner, does seem to reveal something. Very strange.

Not all that strange. Even if they won't say so - they know that the movie wasn't well received by critics and a lot of the fans. Maybe they really wanted to end the franchise, but were surprised by its potential so now they are looking for a director with a vision?

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

..Halle could be replaced...

Rogue could make a explicit sex scene..

No...these would make the movie better. t:

Not that it'd be hard.

 

[gap5ewl]

do you think it would be possible that they could redo x3 instead of making an x4? is that logical I mean Im sure if they got singer back and did what was supposed to happen, it would garner much more critical support and make a boat load of more money (especially since it would be the first major film that was actually completely redone with the original casts to my knowledge.)

 

[Theweepeople]

Here are some things I liked about X3:

1.The lame two-dimensional villians weren't as bad as the hideously cheesy villians in Ghost Rider.

2. The stupid storyline wasn't as disjointed and silly as Ghost Rider's story.

3. Halle Berry's awful acting was not as bad as Eva Mende's.

4. The awful experience of watching X3 was 6 minutes shorter than Ghost rider's running time.

5. The poorly choreographed fight sequences looked amazing compared to Ghost Rider's fight scenes.

6. The time it took me to leave the X3 auditorium was almost as quick as leaving ghost rider's.