I'm Reading Your Stuff: General News and Discussion Thread

[marsh]

These are the same point. The second is more spelled out, because you apparently needed me to explain every single character beat.

Oooh I see the issue. To be honest I stopped reading the first one when you misunderstood my argument because I assumed the rest of the retort would be to a misunderstood point

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well first of all he did a whole ass movie in between called the prestige so it’s more like half that time. And second of all that’s not the point of the film

If you’re about to go down a Nolan vs reeves route in terms of themes and writing I can assure you you’re not going to come out victorious

1. Jonah "co-wrote" The Dark Knight and The Prestige.

2. What are the points of The Batman and The Dark Knight?

 

[marsh]

1. Jonah "co-wrote" The Dark Knight and The Prestige.

2. What are the points of The Batman and The Dark Knight?

1. Literally has nothing to do with anything

2. Sheesh the dark knight is much more layered and deep and I don’t want to type allll of it out so I’ll just kind of distill how I see both

The Batman - political corruption harms society + a heroic figure must be respected instead of feared because only be hope can you bring people out of pain and despair not though punishment exclusively

The Dark Knight - are humans inherently good or bad + what does a society do when the sheen of order is shaken and challenged in favor of chaos

These are not the ONLY themes of each (especially for TDK) as the Batman touches on class consciousness and the dark knight touches on the surveillance state but these are just how I see the main points

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Oooh I see the issue. To be honest I stopped reading the first one when you misunderstood my argument because I assumed the rest of the retort would be to a misunderstood point

You: Listen here, you don't want to talk story and themes of Nolan vs. Reeves with me. It will end badly for you.

Also You: I stop reading your post because it missed the point, but also think the exact same argument was an answer to my question in your next post.

I get it. I remember waiting for Attack of the Clones and The Force Awakens. Sometimes fandom can become your personality in a way where you can't really think about anything else. But what I don't get here, is you don't even seem to like The Batman. So, yeah.

 

[marsh]

You: Listen here, you don't want to talk story and themes of Nolan vs. Reeves with me. It will end badly for you.

Also You: I stop reading your post because it missed the point, but also think the exact same argument was an answer to my question in your next post.

I get it. I remember waiting for Attack of the Clones and The Force Awakens. Sometimes fandom can become your personality in a way where you can't really think about anything else. But what I don't get here, is you don't even seem to like The Batman. So, yeah.

I feel like this was supposed to be an epic gotcha moment for you but it kinda made no sense what so ever :/

 

[DarthSkywalker]

1. Literally has nothing to do with anything

2. Sheesh the dark knight is much more layered and deep and I don’t want to type allll of it out so I’ll just kind of distill how I see both

The Batman - political corruption harms society + a heroic figure must be respected instead of feared because only be hope can you bring people out of pain and despair not though punishment exclusively

The Dark Knight - are humans inherently good or bad + what does a society do when the sheen of order is shaken and challenged in favor of chaos

These are not the ONLY themes of each (especially for TDK) as the Batman touches on class consciousness and the dark knight touches on the surveillance state but these are just how I see the main points

1. If you have your writeaholic brother (Jonah was built for television) write 95% of the scripts, that does in fact effect the creative process.

2. Your take on what The Batman is was basically cribbing Sword and I's post, while still missing the point with, "hero's must be respected". It's a film about inspiration in that regard. Respect is what a drunk father who beats his kids ask for. Which is what Batman is earlier in the film.

Your take on TDK makes it seem far less layered then The Batman.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I feel like this was supposed to be an epic gotcha moment for you but it kinda made no sense what so ever :/

This is why you need to read till the end.

 

[marsh]

1. If you have your writeaholic brother (Jonah was built for television) write 95% of the scripts, that does in fact effect the creative process.

2. Your take on what The Batman is was basically cribbing Sword and I's post, while still missing the point with, "hero's must be respected". It's a film about inspiration in that regard. Respect is what a drunk father who beats his kids ask for. Which is what Batman is earlier in the film.

Your take on TDK makes it seem far less layered than The Batman.

1. He doesn’t write 95% of his scripts and Matt reeves had 2 co writers for the Batman

2. No. You’re being semantical. And pedantic again. Respect. Inspiring. Whatever. Not feared but respected and looked up to. We’re literally saying the same thing but you’re nitpicking my word choice

And I don’t know how you got that from my assessments of each but whatever

 

[J.Drangal]

If we're discussing the film's flaws, here are my only real criticisms...

Personally, I think the film actually build itself around the mystery of the rat's identity, at least for its first two acts.
And the problem I had here was that Falcone seemed like the most obvious suspect, yet Batman and Gordon never get to that hypothesis. I always get the impression that they don't only because the script prevents them from doing so, which is a known writing trap...
I understand that the two detectives are both in the logic of looking for a low-level criminal who would have spilled the beans, but still...
I think the deleted scene in which Oz talks to Selina about Falcone's future downfall should have stayed, as it gives further explanation as to why Batman is going down this trail. At least, I think it would have made me tick less...

Then, I felt that the revelation of the rat's identity was oddly staged, super-static, with all the main players listening to Kenzi's explanation and a very convenient phone message exposing the plot...
And it feels even duller that it's following what I find an equally static “corruption of the Waynes” subplot, which was an interesting idea but delivered through a succession of very explanatory scenes cancelling each other out... (I guess that what you were referring to @DarthSkywalker with Alfred being an "exposition machine"?)

I liked the film, very much (I wouldn't be here otherwise), its thematics and ideas, but yeah, the way the script was put together always felt laborious in some parts. Especially that chunk closing the second arc and leading into the third I'm describing above.
The direction is excellent though but, to my regret, I have trouble rewatching the film in its entirety without feeling taken out of it because of some articulations or what I think are clumsy dialogues here and there... My only wish for the sequel is a script that would feel tighter/smoother to me.


Now, I'm also sharing that opinion because if other posters have alternative ways to look at these remarks and eventually change my perspective, it would be welcome !

 

[marsh]

If we're discussing the film's flaws, here are my only real criticisms...

Personally, I think the film actually build itself around the mystery of the rat's identity, at least for its first two acts.
And the problem to me here is that Falcone was the most obvious suspect, yet Batman and Gordon never get to that hypothesis. I always get the impression that they don't only because the script prevents them from doing so, which is a known writing trap...
I understand that the two detectives are both in the logic of looking for a low-level criminal who would have spilled the beans, but still...
I think the deleted scene in which Oz talks to Selina about Falcone's future downfall should have stayed, as it gives further explanation as to why Batman is going down this trail. At least, I think it would have made me tick less...

Then, I felt that the revelation of the rat's identity was oddly staged, super-static with all the main players listening to Kenzi explanation and a very convenient phone message exposing the plot... And it feels even duller that it's following what I find an equally static “corruption of the Waynes” subplot, which was an interesting idea but delivered through a succession of very explanatory scenes cancelling each other out... (I guess that what you were referring to @DarthSkywalker with Alfred being an "exposition machine"?)

I liked the film (I wouldn't be here otherwise), its thematics and ideas, but yeah, the way the script was put together always felt laborious. Especially that chunk closing the second arc and leading into the third I'm describing above.
The direction is excellent though but, to my regret, I have trouble rewatching the film in its entirety without feeling taken out of it because of some articulations or what I think are clumsy dialogues here and there... My only wish for the sequel is a script that would feel tighter to me.


Now, I'm also sharing that opinion because if other posters have other way to look at these remarks and eventually change my perspective, it would be welcome !

Dude THANK YOU

The scene with the voicemail has always been so awkward. I remember seeing it for the very first time in theaters early on the Tuesday fan screening and that scene was the cause of my biggest and most visceral “hmmm this is not… working…” gut feeling

The movie is riddled (hehe) with clunky scenes like that but the voicemail scene has to take the cake for the worst. “Oddly staged and super static” are the best ways to put it

 

[DarthSkywalker]

1. He doesn’t write 95% of his scripts and Matt reeves had 2 co writers for the Batman

2. No. You’re being semantical. And pedantic again. Respect. Inspiring. Whatever. Not feared but respected and looked up to. We’re literally saying the same thing but you’re nitpicking my word choice

And I don’t know how you got that from my assessments of each but whatever

I've watched everything both brother's have ever made. You can tell when Jonah has written Christopher's scripts. It's obvious. And every time Jonah's name is on a script of Christopher's it's because he wrote the vast majority of it.

It's not pedantic to understand that different words mean different things. Respect and inspiration can mean two very different things. And in the case of The Batman, we literally see it with Falcone. Who is respected. This includes by the police. Who reject Batman, even as he's attempts to aid them.

Inspiration is a very important word with superheroes. Doubly so in a film like this where Bruce sees what he has inspired in the Riddler, and what he strives to inspire in Gotham going forward.

 

[marsh]

I've watched everything both brother's have ever made. You can tell when Jonah has written Christopher's scripts. It's obvious. And every time Jonah's name is on a script of Christopher's it's because he wrote the vast majority of it.

It's not pedantic to understand that different words mean different things. Respect and inspiration can mean two very different things. And in the case of The Batman, we literally see it with Falcone. Who is respected. This includes by the police. Who reject Batman, even as he's attempts to aid them.

Inspiration is a very important word with superheroes. Doubly so in a film like this where Bruce sees what he has inspired in the Riddler, and what he strives to inspire in Gotham going forward.

You literally have no idea what you’re talking about. I’m actually researched on the topic and Nolan himself says all of his movies it’s primarily his writing

“Can” doesn’t equal “always does”. If there’s a discrepancy it’s one you’re introducing yourself just to argue so yes, pedantic fits

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If we're discussing the film's flaws, here are my only real criticisms...

Personally, I think the film actually build itself around the mystery of the rat's identity, at least for its first two acts.
And the problem to me here is that Falcone was the most obvious suspect, yet Batman and Gordon never get to that hypothesis. I always get the impression that they don't only because the script prevents them from doing so, which is a known writing trap...
I understand that the two detectives are both in the logic of looking for a low-level criminal who would have spilled the beans, but still...
I think the deleted scene in which Oz talks to Selina about Falcone's future downfall should have stayed, as it gives further explanation as to why Batman is going down this trail. At least, I think it would have made me tick less...

Then, I felt that the revelation of the rat's identity was oddly staged, super-static with all the main players listening to Kenzi explanation and a very convenient phone message exposing the plot... And it feels even duller that it's following what I find an equally static “corruption of the Waynes” subplot, which was an interesting idea but delivered through a succession of very explanatory scenes cancelling each other out... (I guess that what you were referring to @DarthSkywalker with Alfred being an "exposition machine"?)

I liked the film (I wouldn't be here otherwise), its thematics and ideas, but yeah, the way the script was put together always felt laborious. Especially that chunk closing the second arc and leading into the third I'm describing above.
The direction is excellent though but, to my regret, I have trouble rewatching the film in its entirety without feeling taken out of it because of some articulations or what I think are clumsy dialogues here and there... My only wish for the sequel is a script that would feel tighter to me.


Now, I'm also sharing that opinion because if other posters have other way to look at these remarks and eventually change my perspective, it would be welcome !

I disagree the first two acts are built around the mystery of the rat. And a big part of that is how the film is structured. I'm not the biggest fan of that, and it's why I don't love the second act, but I also think it heavily emphasizes how the film is built. And that is that the film is built around a character study of Bruce. That's right, the title is not an accident.

Everything in the film, the plot, the characters, music, revolve around revealing, breaking down, and reshaping of what the Batman is. Hence the grunge of it all.

The first act is our introduction to the scared, emo son of Thomas and Martha. We see how he works, how others react to him, his relationship and lack there of, and we are introduced to two that mirror him greatly in Selina and Eddie.

The second act, my least favorite of the film, is one that is there to reveal the parallels between Bruce and his father, and thus his own to Falcone. With this, doubt enters Bruce. Worse then any beating, the idea that his father was a bad person, gets to Bruce. and his mother's mental illness, and Bruce is suddenly starting to doubt who he and thus the Batman is. It's done in a sloppy manner. Too much exposition, not well refined. Honestly, I wonder if they were asked to cut it down. Because it feels genuinely rushed, but also it's a 3 hour movie. I kind of get it. But one of my favorite aspects of the second act is Bruce's false dawn. He thinks he pulled it off, only to find out what the Batman has inspired is about to reek havoc.

The third act is rock bottom for Bruce. The horror of realizing what the Batman has inspired. Which starts the rebuilding of the Batman into a symbol of hope.

I totally get why people expect The Batman to be more about it's plot. Outside of TDKR and LEGO Bats, Bruce is super static in the vast majority of his flicks. But The Batman is very much a character piece for the Dark Knight. One that shows what the superhero power fancy has become, and what it can and I personally think should be again.

EDIT:
Just wanted to emphasize, I love how much of an awful person Bruce is at the start of the film. I think he's trying to do the right thing, but it's coming from a place of pain. One that has traumatized and has turned him, well gross. Beyond his violent outburst, how he treats Selina, from putting her in harms way to legit perving on her, is great stuff and really helps with the arc. At the start of the movie his crime fighting is self-serving, where as during the finale he's serving Gotham. I also think giving Bruce a clear soft spot for children as his anchor, is perfect. Another reflection. The only one Bruce seems to understand until Selina decides she's going to kill her daddy.

 

[Sithborg]

It's less "the Riddler is obsessed with Batman" and more "he's a Batman fanboy who is specifically emulating him in a way that displays the short-sighted nature of Bruce's "I'm vengeance" act."

I think one reason why I have been reluctant to return to TDK is because of the two movie's divergent view on similar situations of inspiring "copycats". In TDK, he needs to become hated by people. To be a hard man, making hard, unpopular choices so others can be the heroic white knights. In The Batman, he has to become a more heroic figure, beyond just violence.

 

[Deck Rickard]

That will conveniently happen in 2040 when Reeves has finished the script for Part III.

Fixed.

 

[BatsAndNights]

You literally have no idea what you’re talking about. I’m actually researched on the topic and Nolan himself says all of his movies it’s primarily his writing

“Can” doesn’t equal “always does”. If there’s a discrepancy it’s one you’re introducing yourself just to argue so yes, pedantic fits

Can I just say that I genuinely do not see the point in not being a big fan of something, saying you dislike it and why in a space filled with people who love that thing, and proceeding to get upset when people try to refute your points?

Like

I'm not gonna go to an NBA game, start going "basketball is so mid amirite" to the person sitting next to me and be somehow surprised or take it personally when they go "uh, no?"

 

[WayneMB]

one deadline piece with Rob Pattinson casting news caused this havoc? lmfao

 

[WayneMB]

Reeves himself said they are shooting next year. no need for panic yet. I am a huge "art takes time" truther but i do feel like Mattson should take over as the head screenwriter for Part III, or Matt should get somene else in the mix. I think Reeves doesn't do himself justice, he is an incredible director and he'd benefit from being able to make MORE pictures. he can bring the skeletal idea for the film in, he doesn't have to write the whole shabang

 

[BatsAndNights]

Reeves himself said they are shooting next year. no need for panic yet. I am a huge "art takes time" truther but i do feel like Mattson should take over as the head screenwriter for Part III, or Matt should get somene else in the mix. I think Reeves doesn't do himself justice, he is an incredible director and he'd benefit from being able to make MORE pictures. he can bring the skeletal idea for the film in, he doesn't have to write the whole shabang

In 20 years, I'm not gonna care one bit how long the entire trilogy took to make. I'd far rather Matt perfectly curated 3 masterpieces than handed Part III off to Mattson and it's a step down because it didn't have Matt's personal touch to it but it came out a little faster.

Would a delay suck? Absolutely. And I would be sad to hear I gotta wait longer before we see Part II. But if that's what we gotta deal with to get the best movie Matt can make, I will happily swallow that bitter pill

 

[Luke995]

We don't know anything about Pattinson's role in Nolan's new film (we don't even know the title, though).
It's a superstar ensemble cast, do we really think that's a problem for a franchise where Pattinson is the lead actor with a story entirely from his POV?

Come on. He might even be a supporting character.

Anyway.

I looked up the production time for The Batman. Hopefully that helps calm you down lol haha

Reeves was hired and began actively working on the script in February-March 2017. He finished the script in September 2018.

The Batman I was originally scheduled to be released on June 25, 2021.

- Pattinson was officially cast for the role on June 3, 2019.
- Kravitz on October 14, 2019.
- Dano on October 17, 2019.
- Wright on October 30, 2019.
- Serkis on November 13, 2019 .
- Turturro on November 22, 2019 .
- Farrell on January 7, 2020 .

The first take of the first unit was January 29, 2020 .

They shot for a month and a half before the covid shutdown. They resume in September 2020 (Pattinson also had covid so they had more problems, but ok).

Filming wrapped in mid-March 2021.

The film was released in early March 2022.

That means something like:

- A year and a half for the script.
- Four months of pre-production.
- Seven months of filming.
- Ten months of post-production.


But we have to consider the problems of stopping and resuming filming, all the anti-Covid rules etc.

Now, hoping there are no more issues (the writers strike has already caused delays), here's my guess on the timing of Part II:

Reeves started actively writing the script between December 2022 and January 2023. Because of the strike from May to November, Reeves resumed somewhere between November 2023 and January 2024.

He's finishing it, let's say it'll be finished by Christmas.

That means a year and four months of active work on the script.

And considering the flaws of The Batman's script, I think he's fine with taking his time (and then there's Gunn, the success of The Penguin... I mean, okay, Matt, take your time).

The film is scheduled for release in October 2026.

Now, as I was saying, my guess:

- Pre-production from January to April 2025 ( 4 months )

- Casting from February to April 2025 ( 2 months ).

- Filming from the beginning of June 2025 to January 2026 ( 7 months ).

- Post-production from January to September 2026 ( 8 - 9 months ).


So, guys, there is nothing to worry about.

We have had months of tantrums about cancellations, schedule changes from a trilogy to a biology, Gunn interference, etc.
And then The Penguin and its huge success.

I mean, I know, it's hard to wait, and I know Nolan was faster and we're used to fast productions for comic book movies (how many of them, at that rate, are really great? eh.), and I know that months of nothing are pretty annoying.

I also know that we can't know what The Batman Part II will be like and how it will do at the box office.

But this is what we have now: the only DC Universe that's been going well for what? 7-9 years?

We don't even know if Gunn's Superman will be a success (the Superman movie never gives any certainty about that) and his DCU hasn't even been born yet.

It's everything virtual and hypotethical now.
And after The Flash and without knowing anything about the future, it would be suicidal (even more than just hoping to start a new DC Universe lol) to greenlight TBATB.

So relax, damn it. Reeves has plenty of time and there's no rush to introduce Batman into the DCU just to waste it.

From what we know now, Reeves (a 58-year-old director who has had to navigate Covid, multiple CEO changes, Affleck to Pattinson changes, and refusing to cast Battinson as Batman in the DCU) is doing his job and trying to do it well.

And that’s it.

 

[WayneMB]

We don't know anything about Pattinson's role in Nolan's new film (we don't even know the title, though).
It's a superstar ensemble cast, do we really think that's a problem for a franchise where Pattinson is the lead actor with a story entirely from his POV?

Come on. He might even be a supporting character.

Anyway.

I looked up the production time for The Batman. Hopefully that helps calm you down lol haha

Reeves was hired and began actively working on the script in February-March 2017. He finished the script in September 2018.

The Batman I was originally scheduled to be released on June 25, 2021.

- Pattinson was officially cast for the role on June 3, 2019.
- Kravitz on October 14, 2019.
- Dano on October 17, 2019.
- Wright on October 30, 2019.
- Serkis on November 13, 2019 .
- Turturro on November 22, 2019 .
- Farrell on January 7, 2020 .

The first take of the first unit was January 29, 2020 .

They shot for a month and a half before the covid shutdown. They resume in September 2020 (Pattinson also had covid so they had more problems, but ok).

Filming wrapped in mid-March 2021.

The film was released in early March 2022.

That means something like:

- A year and a half for the script.
- Four months of pre-production.
- Seven months of filming.
- Ten months of post-production.


But we have to consider the problems of stopping and resuming filming, all the anti-Covid rules etc.

Now, hoping there are no more issues (the writers strike has already caused delays), here's my guess on the timing of Part II:

Reeves started actively writing the script between December 2022 and January 2023. Because of the strike from May to November, Reeves resumed somewhere between November 2023 and January 2024.

He's finishing it, let's say it'll be finished by Christmas.

That means a year and four months of active work on the script.

And considering the flaws of The Batman's script, I think he's fine with taking his time (and then there's Gunn, the success of The Penguin... I mean, okay, Matt, take your time).

The film is scheduled for release in October 2026.

Now, as I was saying, my guess:

- Pre-production from January to April 2025 ( 4 months )

- Casting from February to April 2025 ( 2 months ).

- Filming from the beginning of June 2025 to January 2026 ( 7 months ).

- Post-production from January to September 2026 ( 8 - 9 months ).


So, guys, there is nothing to worry about.

We have had months of tantrums about cancellations, schedule changes from a trilogy to a biology, Gunn interference, etc.
And then The Penguin and its huge success.

I mean, I know, it's hard to wait, and I know Nolan was faster and we're used to fast productions for comic book movies (how many of them, at that rate, are really great? eh.), and I know that months of nothing are pretty annoying.

I also know that we can't know what The Batman Part II will be like and how it will do at the box office.

But this is what we have now: the only DC Universe that's been going well for what? 7-9 years?

We don't even know if Gunn's Superman will be a success (the Superman movie never gives any certainty about that) and his DCU hasn't even been born yet.

It's everything virtual and hypotethical now.
And after The Flash and without knowing anything about the future, it would be suicidal (even more than just hoping to start a new DC Universe lol) to greenlight TBATB.

So relax, damn it. Reeves has plenty of time and there's no rush to introduce Batman into the DCU just to waste it.

From what we know now, Reeves (a 58-year-old director who has had to navigate Covid, multiple CEO changes, Affleck to Pattinson changes, and refusing to cast Battinson as Batman in the DCU) is doing his job and trying to do it well.

And that’s it.

we know Rob Pattinson is the one of the 4 core leads lol. it's in the first sentence of the article. and the script for The Batman II has been in works since september 2022, they have now (exlucding the strike) been working on this for 18-19 months

 

[Gandhi]

We don't know anything about Pattinson's role in Nolan's new film (we don't even know the title, though).
It's a superstar ensemble cast, do we really think that's a problem for a franchise where Pattinson is the lead actor with a story entirely from his POV?

Come on. He might even be a supporting character.

Anyway.

I looked up the production time for The Batman. Hopefully that helps calm you down lol haha

Reeves was hired and began actively working on the script in February-March 2017. He finished the script in September 2018.

The Batman I was originally scheduled to be released on June 25, 2021.

- Pattinson was officially cast for the role on June 3, 2019.
- Kravitz on October 14, 2019.
- Dano on October 17, 2019.
- Wright on October 30, 2019.
- Serkis on November 13, 2019 .
- Turturro on November 22, 2019 .
- Farrell on January 7, 2020 .

The first take of the first unit was January 29, 2020 .

They shot for a month and a half before the covid shutdown. They resume in September 2020 (Pattinson also had covid so they had more problems, but ok).

Filming wrapped in mid-March 2021.

The film was released in early March 2022.

That means something like:

- A year and a half for the script.
- Four months of pre-production.
- Seven months of filming.
- Ten months of post-production.


But we have to consider the problems of stopping and resuming filming, all the anti-Covid rules etc.

Now, hoping there are no more issues (the writers strike has already caused delays), here's my guess on the timing of Part II:

Reeves started actively writing the script between December 2022 and January 2023. Because of the strike from May to November, Reeves resumed somewhere between November 2023 and January 2024.

He's finishing it, let's say it'll be finished by Christmas.

That means a year and four months of active work on the script.

And considering the flaws of The Batman's script, I think he's fine with taking his time (and then there's Gunn, the success of The Penguin... I mean, okay, Matt, take your time).

The film is scheduled for release in October 2026.

Now, as I was saying, my guess:

- Pre-production from January to April 2025 ( 4 months )

- Casting from February to April 2025 ( 2 months ).

- Filming from the beginning of June 2025 to January 2026 ( 7 months ).

- Post-production from January to September 2026 ( 8 - 9 months ).


So, guys, there is nothing to worry about.

We have had months of tantrums about cancellations, schedule changes from a trilogy to a biology, Gunn interference, etc.
And then The Penguin and its huge success.

I mean, I know, it's hard to wait, and I know Nolan was faster and we're used to fast productions for comic book movies (how many of them, at that rate, are really great? eh.), and I know that months of nothing are pretty annoying.

I also know that we can't know what The Batman Part II will be like and how it will do at the box office.

But this is what we have now: the only DC Universe that's been going well for what? 7-9 years?

We don't even know if Gunn's Superman will be a success (the Superman movie never gives any certainty about that) and his DCU hasn't even been born yet.

It's everything virtual and hypotethical now.
And after The Flash and without knowing anything about the future, it would be suicidal (even more than just hoping to start a new DC Universe lol) to greenlight TBATB.

So relax, damn it. Reeves has plenty of time and there's no rush to introduce Batman into the DCU just to waste it.

From what we know now, Reeves (a 58-year-old director who has had to navigate Covid, multiple CEO changes, Affleck to Pattinson changes, and refusing to cast Battinson as Batman in the DCU) is doing his job and trying to do it well.

And that’s it.

What’s the source for the first film’s script being completed by September 2018? I don’t think he started that screenplay until at least August 2017 because the last Apes film released in July of that year.

 

[Gandhi]

A few days ago, I posted a quote from Matt Reeves that he gave to Forbes in September when promoting The Penguin. He said the plan was to begin filming “mid-year” of 2025 and described them as being in a “good place”. I can’t see what would’ve changed in last two months for the movie suddenly to be delayed.

The trade articles state that Nolan plans to begin filming early in the year so that should mean he’s finished in enough time for Pattinson to be ready for the above schedule. Nothing to worry about for now imo. However, if we start to get into February and March of next year and we’ve not heard it’s officially moved into pre-production, then I’ll expect a delay.

 

[Babillygunn]

Wow. The last few pages have been…something.

 

[solidsnake86]

Timeline wise, I don't think there is much of a concern. It opens October 2026, so if you work backwards they have plenty of time provided they get filing under way by mid-late next year.

I'm more concerned about the throwaway quote by THR in the article "The actor is due to return to Batman for Matt Reeves’ sequel and there was hope that it could shoot sometime next year. Those hopes remain in place but nothing is close to being planned".

The issue I have is, you need to start locking in dates well in advance because of actors schedules. If nothing is "close to being planned" that tells me studio space has not been booked. Which is fine because they probably need a greenlight on the script before that can happen.

Could be a few things. Penguin likely exceeded expectations so they have to account for that or, something else is going on. I'll stay on the positive side for now but, if we hear nothing come January-feb next year, there has to be something else going on. Delaying the film with no further content in between is a big mistake. 4 years between the first and the second is already a stretch because people move on.