I'm Reading Your Stuff: General News and Discussion Thread

[Eddie Dean]

Hopefully a big turkey this Thursday!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I have had phases of being incredibly cynical about this topic but we’ve been through so many doom cycles with this franchise already that at this point I just don’t see reason to panic anymore unless something insanely obviously bad goes wrong. I, genuinely, don’t even think the sequel gap is that insane - 4 years is pretty normal! It’s only a step or two longer.

There is also no world where The Penguin is better written than The Batman. The latter has plenty of flaws but the former barely ever rises above the level of the other eight million gritty faux prestige crime shows that we’re all the rage in the 2000s/2010s - I like it a lot and it has major peaks but it’s not on the same wavelength at all.

After the success of the Penguin, doom posting feels so weird.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Outside of being a creative producer on Cape Crusader and The Penguin, what else does Reeves have on his plate?

The internet tells me a wife and a child.

 

[emielaen]

It’s perfectly fine to be upset over delays and ****, but when the people making the thing keep on saying they're making the thing and are very excited to make the thing, it’s just funny to see fans get riled up and start to blame everyone involved about the thing supposedly not being made.

I’ve seen people say Pattinson taking other jobs means he can’t act in this anymore (?). And of cours Gunn is the real enemy because he… keeps saying he backs Reeves 100% and is eager to make the project (?)

The fanbase is just incredible.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

It’s perfectly fine to be upset over delays and ****, but when the people making the thing keep on saying they're making the thing and are very excited to make the thing, it’s just funny to see fans get riled up and start to blame everyone involved about the thing not being made.

We literally just had a mega successful TV show where a huge chunk of the press tour was hyping up this movie.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It’s perfectly fine to be upset over delays and ****, but when the people making the thing keep on saying they're making the thing and are very excited to make the thing, it’s just funny to see fans get riled up and start to blame everyone involved about the thing not being made.

While it's fine, I just don't get it. The last decade has seen so many rushed flicks come out and underwhelm. Many that hurt me. My first priority is for it to be the best film it can be. If it takes a while, okay. I have so many other things to watch, play, read.

It feels like some think there is an arbitrary time limit for a sequel to be released because of the Hollywood conveyor belt. The Last Crusade took 5 years to come after Temple of Doom.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

We literally just had a mega successful TV show where a huge chunk of the press tour was hyping up this movie.

Doesn't count, bro. It wasn't on the big screen.

The ending of the show screams, "SEE BATMAN PART II IN THEATERS".

 

[SwordOfMorning]

While it's fine, I just don't get it. The last decade has seen so many rushed flicks come out and underwhelm. Many that hurt me. My first priority is for it to be the best film it can be. If it takes a while, okay. I have so many other things to watch, play, read.

It feels like some think there is an arbitrary time limit for a sequel to be released because of the Hollywood conveyor belt. The Last Crusade took 5 years to come after Temple of Doom.

Yeah - like, I do get it to an extent - obviously it isn’t fun. I just don’t understand why people are so actively angry about it. Or, frankly, why we’re still doomering about Gunn killing the franchise when we’re passed the point (unless it bombs) when there would have been ample opportunity to quietly kill it. I have never had much faith the kind of movie Reeves makes can survive in the modern age of absolute garbage fire corporate IP trash but even I’m pretty chill about it for the time being.

 

[J.Drangal]

While it's fine, I just don't get it. The last decade has seen so many rushed flicks come out and underwhelm. Many that hurt me. My first priority is for it to be the best film it can be. If it takes a while, okay. I have so many other things to watch, play, read.

It feels like some think there is an arbitrary time limit for a sequel to be released because of the Hollywood conveyor belt. The Last Crusade took 5 years to come after Temple of Doom.

I completely agree that the film should take the time it needs to be the best version of itself.
My only wish for it is to have a way tighter script than its predecessor.

While an inconvenience for some, I don't think the time gap is so much a concern as a feeling of an eventual laborious development.
But in the end, it is what it is: just a feeling. Right now, nothing's too late yet to meet the announced timeline (script this winter, shooting next fall).

For all we know, we may be in for a series of updates in early January (I don't expect to hear much this December which will rpobably be devoted to launch marketing on Superman).

 

[WayneMB]

What aspects of the script for The Batman were weak? lol. Seems to me like this is some newly realized complaint bout the movie

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I completely agree that the film should take the time it needs to be the best version of itself.
My only wish for it is to have a way tighter script than its predecessor.

While an inconvenience for some, I don't think the time gap is so much a concern as a feeling of an eventual laborious development.
But in the end, it is what it is: just a feeling. In the end, nothing's too late to meet the announce timeline (script this winter, shooting next fall).

For all we know, we may be in for a series of updates in early January (I don't expect to hear much this December which will rpobably be devoted to launch marketing on Superman).

In what way is The Batman's script not "tight"?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What aspects of the script for The Batman were weak? lol. Seems to me like this is some newly realized complaint bout the movie

I'm a big fan of the movie, but it has script issues. Built around cutting it down to get it under 3 hours imo. I think it needed a bit more time to breathe. Mainly in the second act, and with Alfred in general.

 

[WayneMB]

I'm a big fan of the movie, but it has script issues. Built around cutting it down to get it under 3 hours imo. I think it needed a bit more time to breathe. Mainly in the second act, and with Alfred in general.

oh yeah, that i agree. there is a 3.5 hour movie somewhere there

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

2.5 hours would be more preferable for me. There are few 3 hr films that can hold my attention the entire time. I need multiple smoke and bathroom breaks when it’s that long. There were definitely some slow points of The Batman for me, I think it could’ve benefited from a shorter runtime. A lot of casual fans I talked to about the movie wanted it to be shorter too.

Tbh I would like a couple more bombastic action sequences too. I love the detective elements but I did want a little bit more action.

Overall I loved the **** out of the movie, it is so good and did so much right. But yeah a sequel having a shorter runtime and a bit more action would be preferable to me.

 

[J.Drangal]

In what way is The Batman's script not "tight"?

Um... no offense, but I'm a little confused by the question, as I think your own very next post is answering it...:

I'm a big fan of the movie, but it has script issues. Built around cutting it down to get it under 3 hours imo. I think it needed a bit more time to breathe. Mainly in the second act, and with Alfred in general.

Maybe “tight” isn't the right word to use? English isn't my mother tongue after all...

More seriously, I'm referencing pretty much the same thing as you, just like we discussed a couple page ago actually.
Mainly the stuff about the second act feeling a bit messy/cluttered and for me more specifically, how too explanatory and static I found the “corrupt Wayne” subplot scenes and Kenzi's revelation, etc. to be.

When I say “not tight”, it's just that: some ideas not breathing fully, feeling rushed or too “descriptive”, ... I still feel the film could have benefited from another pass around the parts just cited.
But that's also why I appreciate Reeves showing so much care with the sequel, while also simply hoping the lack of updates (through his collaborators) wasn't a sign of difficulties. We know that, in any case, he really wants to do the best job he can, which hasn't been the norm for a while in this genre.

With Colin Farell recently sharing how many scenes he have in the sequel, it does seems like things are fine though.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Um... no offense, but I'm a little confused by the question, as I think your own very next post is answering it...:



Maybe “tight” isn't the right word to use? English isn't my mother tongue after all...

More seriously, I'm referencing pretty much the same thing as you, just like we discussed a couple page ago actually.
The stuff about the second act feeling a bit messy/cluttered and for me more specifically, how too explanatory and static I found the “corrupt Wayne” subplot scenes and Kenzi's revelation, etc. to be.

When I say “not tight”, it's just that: some ideas not breathing fully, feeling rushed or too “descriptive”, ... I still feel the film could have benefited from another pass around the parts just cited.
That's why I appreciate Reeves showing so much care with the sequel while also simply hoping the lack of updates (through his collaborators) wasn't a sign of difficulties.

With Colin Farell recently sharing how many scenes he have in the sequel, it does seems like things are fine though.

Yeah, I think this is just a bit of a language barrier thing. When it comes to a "tight" script, I think about a lack of fat. One that doesn't linger, or take detours. Which is why I think the script's major issue is it was trimmed to the bone. If anything it's overly tight.

I'm not sure another pass could've done much for the script. It honestly just feels like Reeves attempt to get it all in there, under a certain time limit. Which is why I kind of just accept exposition machine Alfred in the second act.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

The movie is three hours. How much **** did Reeves try to put in his earlier drafts that the final product can be three hours and still have some people feeling like its rushed?

 

[Grodd]

Outside of being a creative producer on Cape Crusader and The Penguin, what else does Reeves have on his plate?

He's producing Dynamic Duo.

 

[J.Drangal]

Yeah, I think this is just a bit of a language barrier thing. When it comes to a "tight" script, I think about a lack of fat. One that doesn't linger, or take detours. Which is why I think the script's major issue is it was trimmed to the bone. If anything it's overly tight.

Oh okay, got you, so it's definitely a linguistic error on my part.

I didn't take the term “tight” in the sense of the quality and density content proposed, but rather in the fluidity of its presentation. That's why I'm always talking about the articulation of the story's parts (hoping this term is right!)...
Maybe I shoud have used "polished" or "smoothed out" but I'm still not sure aha.

Anyway, you get my idea.

I'm not sure another pass could've done much for the script. It honestly just feels like Reeves attempt to get it all in there, under a certain time limit. Which is why I kind of just accept exposition machine Alfred in the second act.

My wondering is if another pass may have helped to disseminate certain things in the script so that the second act didn't seem so much like a block of information... But you're probably right.

The movie is three hours. How much **** did Reeves try to put in his earlier drafts that the final product can be three hours and still have some people feeling like its rushed?

Well, as said above, for me it's perhaps not so much that the film is full as the way it chooses to give its content.
But to come back to the second act, I can see the movie giving more than it needs to function. To be clearer, when we're shown that Thomas Wayne has almost touched corruption, I think the context could have been more concise, and I wouldn't be surprised if the elements around Martha's internment, etc., were only fully exploited in the sequels.

Anyway, I'm nitpicking all that now, but in the end it's appreciable that Reeves seems to be building something relatively dense here and I fully expect it to really blossom in the part II.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Whatever Matt is cooking up, I’m sure it’s huge. The anticipation for this film is agonizing, though I know he understands just how crucial it is to get this film right. This is the spine of his saga.

Would I love to hear something more positive than “he’s working on it”, hell yeah. Though, I just try to keep in mind that it’s not December yet. The Penguin series only just ended this month.

One thing that I realized, at least for me, what makes this wait a bit longer is that there isn’t a lot of content from fans as compared to over a decade ago. It now feels more like the era of information and even pessimism among other things.

Every day or so, there was always a new music tribute, soundtrack mix, mock trailer, parody or something. Even here, posters would come up with fun creative boards to pass time. So much has changed….idk.

 

[solidsnake86]

For better or worse, the other thing he will have to contend with is comparisons to The Dark Knight with it being a sequel. I'm also sure he is very aware of any complaints the first movie had as Reeves seems like he has more of an online presence than Nolan ever did.

It will be interesting to see what action set pieces he crafts, i.e. will there be another batmobile chase or motorcycle chase, does he bring in a new vehicle, will there be a villain that he can fight this time around etc.

As it relates to the vehicles, I'm also interested to see if he adds any gadgets or leaves them as is.

Given that we know there isn't much of a time gap between films I don't see too much change in the suit or vehicles. But to me this is the exciting stuff we can look forward too.

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

Geez, Matt Reeves is too busy posting funny Batman Thanksgiving memes on X …

 

[Gandhi]

Another picture that shows his love for Batman 66. I’ve been wondering recently whether his potential third film would be inspired by the 66 movie and be Batman vs his established versions of Joker, Riddler, Penguin and Catwoman.

 

[Rick190293]

Geez, Matt Reeves is too busy posting funny Batman Thanksgiving memes on X …

Expectation: by november we'll have those famous cast announcements by Reeves!!
Reality: ...

 

[Black Narcissus]

Lawd. Some of yous bald bastahs jumped at me for telling y’all that we will never ever see Reeves finish his trilogy. No way. Gunn wont wait for him after his Superman releases. Reeves is very smart and he knows this. I truly believe he has done plenty of rewrites for this as well. We getting another 3 hr flick or more, he will throw everything he got onto this and end it. Godfather II style. No third needed. It will be masterful.