I'm Reading Your Stuff: General News and Discussion Thread

[The Lazarus Pit]

Robin was all I wanted. Freeze is next but I’m not going to be mad if he isn’t in it. Robin is all I need and if the rumors are true I’m so ****ing happy. The early Richard/ Bruce dynamic is the most heartwarming thing in the Batman universe. As a father, it hits even harder now.

 

[J.Drangal]

Given that Reeves is drawing inspiration from the 1960s series, Robin's appearance is somewhat expected.
I mean, he has already adapted the main villains in the first film (Penguin, Catwoman, Riddler, and Joker)...
Heck, even that damn red phone was there!

So much of The Batman and The Penguin are about parents and their effect on us. The Waynes, Alfred, Falcone, Francis. This is such a natural extension.

Yep, I remember discussing those observations when the film was released.
Thematically, the groundwork has definitely been laid for this Bruce to eventually explore the parental figure.
If it really happens, it won't come from nowhere.

Ironically, I just saw Superman two days ago, and I feel like I could sense the outlines of a similar theme—that of “family”—in Gunn's DCU. There's Superman reevaluating his parental heritage, Peacemaker's relation to his father, Waller and her daughter...
Just before this rumor about Robin in The Batman Part II broke, I was about to post about how it seemed more and more logical to me that Gunn would want to bring Damian into the mix, beyond the fact that a child assassin character might inspire him stylistically.

It really looks like, when it comes to Batman, Reeves and Gunn may had similar ambition thematically.
In any case, it's pretty fresh!

 

[DKDetective]

Exactly. Dark Victory is a great Robin origin and is almost cinematic in scope and the way it is laid out. If that is the template for the film it could be something special.

Dark Victory is the first thing that came to mind when reading the rumor. If that's what Matt Reeves is going for, color me excited.

It's totally going to be Dark Victory. Like The Batman already draws so heavily on The Long Halloween in terms of a year two Batman and the death of Falcone resulting in a power vacuum leaving an opening for the rise of the freaks.

Reeves and co. have also stated that the plot for The Penguin was originally intended to be the start of Oz's arc in Part II. Well, the whole mob civil war with Alberto, Sofia, the Marones, etc. is straight out of Dark Victory.

All of this is also why I have a hard time seeing Reeves using Hush in Part II. He already mined Hush for all that he was worth in Part I, basically repurposing Hush's aesthetic for Riddler as well as his childhood grudge and parallels with Bruce Wayne. I would bet that we are going to see more classic Batman rogues in Part II rather than anything modern like Hush or the Court of Owls.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's totally going to be Dark Victory. Like The Batman already draws so heavily on The Long Halloween in terms of a year two Batman and the death of Falcone resulting in a power vacuum leaving an opening for the rise of the freaks.

Reeves and co. have also stated that the plot for The Penguin was originally intended to be the start of Oz's arc in Part II. Well, the whole mob civil war with Alberto, Sofia, the Marones, etc. is straight out of Dark Victory.

All of this is also why I have a hard time seeing Reeves using Hush in Part II. He already mined Hush for all that he was worth in Part I, basically repurposing Hush's aesthetic for Riddler as well as his childhood grudge and parallels with Bruce Wayne. I would bet that we are going to see more classic Batman rogues in Part II rather than anything modern like Hush or the Court of Owls.

Thinking about this for a moment, I could see a situation where Hush is the Falcone of this movie, along with the Court of Owls. And we have a different, more central villain like Riddler.

The thing about Hush, even though he's very changeable, this movie should have Riddler right? The end of the first movie suggested Joker and Riddler becoming the best of friends and being an active part of the film. Even if they're just in Arkham. Maybe a copycat would get on his nerves? He is very entitled.

 

[antsman41]

Play into the haunting aspect of a childhood broken man trying to father a kid into a life of crime fighting… Pattinson is great with younger kid actors and Reeves knows how to do tragic stories.

 

[donuts]

It's totally going to be Dark Victory. Like The Batman already draws so heavily on The Long Halloween in terms of a year two Batman and the death of Falcone resulting in a power vacuum leaving an opening for the rise of the freaks.

Reeves and co. have also stated that the plot for The Penguin was originally intended to be the start of Oz's arc in Part II. Well, the whole mob civil war with Alberto, Sofia, the Marones, etc. is straight out of Dark Victory.

All of this is also why I have a hard time seeing Reeves using Hush in Part II. He already mined Hush for all that he was worth in Part I, basically repurposing Hush's aesthetic for Riddler as well as his childhood grudge and parallels with Bruce Wayne. I would bet that we are going to see more classic Batman rogues in Part II rather than anything modern like Hush or the Court of Owls.

Considering Matt Reeves' murder mystery approach, it would make perfect sense for the plot to revolve around the Grayson's murder investigation. This way, you also have a very effective way for Dick to be involved , without it seeming random or like a side story.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Yeah, Robin may actually be in this.

 

[antsman41]

I've seriously stayed away from the HYPE for almost a year because without constant Batman talk, it's been sort of useless with the buyouts/layout/etc. issues... but as always, when it comes to BATMAN;

 

[SwordOfMorning]

So when it inevitably turns out Sneider was lying I'm thinking angry mob, right?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I've seriously stayed away from the HYPE for almost a year because without constant Batman talk, it's been sort of useless with the buyouts/layout/etc. issues... but as always, when it comes to BATMAN;

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Happy to see you.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Nothing brings people together like Batman. Or wildly tears them apart into sectarian feuds roughly equivalent in intensity and fervour to The Troubles.

 

[DKDetective]

Thinking about this for a moment, I could see a situation where Hush is the Falcone of this movie, along with the Court of Owls. And we have a different, more central villain like Riddler.

The thing about Hush, even though he's very changeable, this movie should have Riddler right? The end of the first movie suggested Joker and Riddler becoming the best of friends and being an active part of the film. Even if they're just in Arkham. Maybe a copycat would get on his nerves? He is very entitled.

I dunno, I still think Reeves would be bored by Hush and the Court really doesn't feel like his sensibilities to me. Part I's Renewal conspiracy is basically a perfect set-up for the Court, but Reeves' preferred a more grounded mobs and politicians corruption story.

However, Dark Victory did involve a copycat serial killer mystery, which I think was one of its weaker elements. If it wasn't a risk of repeating the same beats as The Dark Knight, Two-Face feels like a more natural fit for where they are going. Could basically portray Harvey as already having a split personality before the injury and taking justice into his own hands and that being the central mystery of the story, if they go for a mystery again.

I really, really hope they keep Joker as the villain for Part III and just continue to build to him.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So when it inevitably turns out Sneider was lying I'm thinking angry mob, right?

 

[Kane52630]

I've seriously stayed away from the HYPE for almost a year because without constant Batman talk, it's been sort of useless with the buyouts/layout/etc. issues... but as always, when it comes to BATMAN;

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[SwordOfMorning]

I'm sorry why did no one tell me The Wild One features Lee Marvin dressed up as a steampunk cosplay enthusiast from 2012.

 

[antsman41]

Nah... Tony Zucco killing a family to save his circus with ties to the mob and an outside source Ala Dent working the case alongside/adjacent to Batman is more interesting with our political climate than any shadow agency pulling strings.

It's always the idiot who wants more money causing the most harm to innocent people.

 

[antsman41]

...missed you, Kane.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm sorry why did no one tell me The Wild One features Lee Marvin dressed up as a steampunk cosplay enthusiast from 2012.

Well, I know what Sword's doing this weekend.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Nah... Tony Zucco killing a family to save his circus with ties to the mob and an outside source Ala Dent working the case alongside/adjacent to Batman is more interesting with our political climate than any shadow agency pulling strings.

It's always the idiot who wants more money causing the most harm to innocent people.

Yeah, I'm really against The Court in part because it just feels dumb and QAnon-y today. There's a way to do it, probably, but it just doesn't do it for me. The relative mundanity of the conspiracy in The Batman really works for me, I like that it's just scumbags embezzling charity money.

 

[Boom]

It's been a loooooooong time since I've read Dark Victory but from what I remember there was an Arkham breakout wasn't there? Maybe Riddler and Joker will factor into this.

 

[antsman41]

And, we already did the whole conspiracy murder scheme with Riddler.

More traditional murder mystery makes sense this time...

 

[SwordOfMorning]

And, we already did the whole conspiracy murder scheme with Riddler.

More traditional murder mystery makes sense this time...

Traditional murder mystery or missing persons case are what I've been thinking.

 

[DKDetective]

Considering Matt Reeves' murder mystery approach, it would make perfect sense for the plot to revolve around the Grayson's murder investigation. This way, you also have a very effective way for Dick to be involved , without it seeming random or like a side story.

Yeah, that makes a lot better sense to me than Hush. Hrmm, now that I think about it I could actually see the Court as being behind it. Maybe the Graysons perform at some high profile charity gig meant to raise money for Gotham relief and the Court fearful of losing control over the City sabotages the event.

Heck, that could even be where Oz was coming from all dressed up at the end of The Penguin when the Bat-Signal turns on, since Reeves said The Penguin leads directly into Part II.

Reeves has suggested that Bruce doesn't really want to be Batman after the events of Part I given what he inadvertently inspired. Maybe he has been trying to become more of Bruce Wayne the Philanthropist and the Graysons' murder undermining all that forces him to dive back into his alter ego.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's been a loooooooong time since I've read Dark Victory but from what I remember there was an Arkham breakout wasn't there? Maybe Riddler and Joker will factor into this.

They end up in the Batcave and Robin has to stand on business.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

I really think Penguin is going to take the Tony Zucco role in this.