I'm Reading Your Stuff: General News and Discussion Thread

[solidsnake86]

I actually do like the twist they gave in the film with respect to Thomas. Mostly because it would ring a bit truer to someone put in that situation. If he was worried about that story coming out about Martha, most people would probably turn to a guy like Falcone, albeit out of naiveté, in order to protect their spouse and child. The only ones who wouldn't are the true politicians that are so vain they stop at nothing to win.

 

[dhandler01]

Yeah, I don't ever want it to be as straightforwardly evil as Telltale Thomas but Thomas being a bad person doesn't bother me. For me, it's nothing like how the obvious comparison of point, the Jor-El twist, completely destroyed any chance of me ever liking DCU Superman because... I mean, a white billionaire aristocrat being Not A Great Person doesn't have any unfortunate subtext to it and doesn't really damage anything fundamental about Batman. The trauma/loss is what drives Bruce but if anything there's something powerful to be done with the idea of Batman realizing he doesn't do it just for that reason, that it's not about grief or revenge but has turned into something truly altruistic.

Idk. Not my preference at all but its not a conceptual write off.

And that is what I mean. I don't want Thomas to be Elon Musk because that is just as bad as saintly. But he should be flawed, and he should have some darkness to him. Every old money aristocrat has something to hide or skeletons and The Waynes should as well. (Arkham being one of them)

I mean think of the most philanthropic people in the US (especially "old money" ) and then look at how they got the money to do all that philanthropy? They basically took everything and gave back 1% to make themselves feel better.

As for Jor-El...it isn't even that big of a twist. Jor-El has been a dick in the past. It doesn't have to change Superman, in fact most Post Crisis (prior to Birthright) fans pointed to that being why they loved the character. I heard so many arguments on this subject...

 

[TheGDBatman]

And that is what I mean. I don't want Thomas to be Elon Musk because that is just as bad as saintly. But he should be flawed, and he should have some darkness to him. Every old money aristocrat has something to hide or skeletons and The Waynes should as well. (Arkham being one of them)

I mean think of the most philanthropic people in the US (especially "old money" ) and then look at how they got the money to do all that philanthropy? They basically took everything and gave back 1% to make themselves feel better.

As for Jor-El...it isn't even that big of a twist. Jor-El has been a dick in the past. It doesn't have to change Superman, in fact most Post Crisis (prior to Birthright) fans pointed to that being why they loved the character. I heard so many arguments on this subject...

I agree. I think they need to walk that fine line where Thomas makes the wrong decisions for the right reasons. Add enough grey that it continues to impact Bruce's perception of his parents and puts him through that emotional journey. It can be pretty powerful for a character when they realize their parents shouldn't be on a pedestal....but that effect quickly loses potency when they end up being cartoonishly evil.