I'm Reading Your Stuff: General News and Discussion Thread

[BigBatTheory]

That’s a cool idea but if anything that feels more contrived and soap opera to me. Which the Hush story fundamentally is, to be fair, there’s not a lot of getting around that if you’re actually doing Normal Hush.

Less soap opera than my old theory that Thomas Elliot was named by his mother after Thomas Wayne, whom she had an affair with which was the real reason Edward Elliot tried to smear Thomas Wayne@

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Less soap opera than my old theory that Thomas Elliot was named by his mother after Thomas Wayne, whom she had an affair with which was the real reason Edward Elliot tried to smear Thomas Wayne@

Unironically could actually kinda see that happening lmao.

 

[BigBatTheory]

Unironically could actually kinda see that happening lmao.

I was really into that theory for a while but it is so similar to Joker

 

[Mindreaper21]

What?

The allusions aren't subtle. Like at all. To the point that he has an online community. Do you think far right folks aren't psychotic?

I never implied that they aren’t. Though, Riddler killed off people who would be considered far right and believed that Reàl wouldn’t make a difference.

Do not continue a political conversation with me. I have no interest in that.

I mean. It very easily could be the entire point of this particular story. I’m not saying it is, but there’s at bare minimum a 50/50 shot Hush is the big bad and that’s one of the core tenets of Hush.

Right. Like I said, they don’t have to be friends. I just feel like it doesn’t really add anything if they were.

Are you guys under the impression Bruce having childhood friends is an impossibility?

Speaking for myself, no.

No, he’s absolutely one of them. There’s absolutely no indication in the movie proper it was any sort of act of cynical manipulation. That’s basically what the entire movie is about.

Unless we’re not counting Riddler Year One as cannon. It’s pretty funny that Riddler would claim to be one of them and send them all into a death trap while he’s safe in Arkham.

I do disagree that that’s what the entire movie is about though.

 

[Johnny Frost]

Less soap opera than my old theory that Thomas Elliot was named by his mother after Thomas Wayne, whom she had an affair with which was the real reason Edward Elliot tried to smear Thomas Wayne@

I'm very curious if Reeves will expand on why the journalist was so determined to screw Thomas that he died for it.

If the existence of the Elliot Bridge means anything in the grand scheme of things, I wonder if Reeves will give the Elliots the traditional Cobblepot origin, a once-wealthy family who may have been ruined by the Waynes or at least blamed them for their downfall.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I never implied that they aren’t. Though, Riddler killed off people who would be considered far right and believed that Reàl wouldn’t make a difference.

And a right winger tried to kill Trump. What's your point?

Do not continue a political conversation with me. I have no interest in that.

"Look I quoted you but you have to stop talking after I make my point because I don't like talking about this."

Yeah, that's not how it works.

Unless we’re not counting Riddler Year One as cannon. It’s pretty funny that Riddler would claim to be one of them and send them all into a death trap while he’s safe in Arkham.

I do disagree that that’s what the entire movie is about though.

What honor do you expect amongst the pathetic?

You say you don't want to talk about it, talk about it, and then show a real lack of knowledge on the subject.

 

[Mindreaper21]

And a right winger tried to kill Trump. What's your point?

"Look I quoted you but you have to stop talking after I make my point because I don't like talking about this."

Yeah, that's not how it works.

What honor do you expect amongst the pathetic?

You say you don't want to talk about it, talk about it, and then show a real lack of knowledge on the subject.

Like I said, I’m not talking about politics here. Not with you nor anyone else. If you can’t respect that, there’s a block button. I’m not responsible for anyone’s assumptions.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Like I said, I’m not talking about politics here. Not with you nor anyone else. If you can’t respect that, there’s a block button. I’m not responsible for anyone’s assumptions.

Well I wasn't assuming anything until now.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Well I wasn't assuming anything until now.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

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[DeadlyWest]

Less soap opera than my old theory that Thomas Elliot was named by his mother after Thomas Wayne, whom she had an affair with which was the real reason Edward Elliot tried to smear Thomas Wayne

Honestly unless they're gonna take it in a genuinely unique direction, I'm not particularly interested in retreading the "THOMAS WAYNE WAS A SECRET *****E" plot. Batman 1 painted Thomas as a flawed human being who still upheld his values and convictions. One of said values being his family, which I feel like an affair subplot would sorta just undermine in a way I'm not interested to see

 

[BigBatTheory]

Honestly unless they're gonna take it in a genuinely unique direction, I'm not particularly interested in retreading the "THOMAS WAYNE WAS A SECRET *****E" plot. Batman 1 painted Thomas as a flawed human being who still upheld his values and convictions. One of said values being his family, which I feel like an affair subplot would sorta just undermine in a way I'm not interested to see

Yeah I think it'd be repetitive. I think an Arkham related revelation is more likely for the sequel.

 

[Luke995]

Reeves undoubtly didn't planned everything about the sequel, but if he made Martha an Arkham and if he used all that backstory, including Elliot, there is no way to think he didn't know what to do with that.
I feel safe to exclude that HUSH in Part I was just an easter egg.
(On the contrary, I'll say that all that part - the weakest of the movie to me - was put with the specific goal to have an hook with a possible sequel: it seems quite unorganic with the rest of the plot)

I don't think Tommy will be his childhood friend (it's more likely with Harvey, it happened often in the comics but never in live action).

Personally, I think the difference with Part I will be that in the next movie, with "Bruce side" we'll se Martha pov. And consequently Arkham (and the Asylum).

Maybe it was Martha that at 15 killed her parents? Maybe that's why she was istituzionalized?

And plus, Elliot wanted to reveal ARKHAM family's secret. Not Wayne.

I think that Elliot could have been on the side of Maroni against Falcone (and so Arkham and Wayne).

I think that, as we've seen in The Penguin the Mafia side of Gotham, we'll see the noble/high society of Gotham from the pov of Bruce.

And what's so personal for Bruce won't be "a friend" from his past, but a relative (an Arkham), and the point will be "I have to save my family legacy because Nashton ruined it". But the more he will go deep in it the more it will find darkness and corruption.

I think it could be an awesome conspiracy story, I just hope as someone say it won't give the soap opera effect.
The risk is high and to me the weakest part of Part I was all the frontal talking about the past.

I have hope that Reeves took so long to write this story to improve the detective side AND to make elegant all the relevations to prevent them from the soap opera risk.

 

[solidsnake86]

I'm very curious if Reeves will expand on why the journalist was so determined to screw Thomas that he died for it.

If the existence of the Elliot Bridge means anything in the grand scheme of things, I wonder if Reeves will give the Elliots the traditional Cobblepot origin, a once-wealthy family who may have been ruined by the Waynes or at least blamed them for their downfall.

I feel like that's the nature of what journalists do. It's not necessarily a personal thing and it happens all the time in real life.

So I am not sure if that's the road they would take with Edward Elliott that he had a personal vendetta.

We have actually had a very few quiet weeks now with only some scraps of info. I thought for sure we would have heard about news regarding the crew at least. Casting new I don't expect until the new year truthfully.

 

[Johnny Frost]

I feel like that's the nature of what journalists do. It's not necessarily a personal thing and it happens all the time in real life.

So I am not sure if that's the road they would take with Edward Elliott that he had a personal vendetta.

We have actually had a very few quiet weeks now with only some scraps of info. I thought for sure we would have heard about news regarding the crew at least. Casting new I don't expect until the new year truthfully.

I'm curious because everything about the Elliot family so far is taken directly from Gates of Gotham—the name Edward Elliot, the connection to journalism, and the Elliot Bridge—so I don't think it's a coincidence.

It might not mean anything, but it's interesting that at one point the Elliots seem to have been influential enough to have a Bridge in their name, but in the present, they don't seem to be as important since Edward was killed and seemingly forgotten.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I feel like that's the nature of what journalists do. It's not necessarily a personal thing and it happens all the time in real life.

So I am not sure if that's the road they would take with Edward Elliott that he had a personal vendetta.

We have actually had a very few quiet weeks now with only some scraps of info. I thought for sure we would have heard about news regarding the crew at least. Casting new I don't expect until the new year truthfully.

The landscape of journalism has changed so much I feel like that the basic integrity of the professional has been lost to the public.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

My one caveat about the HUSH!!! sequel hook: It's most likely to be an incredibly blatant set up because Reeves doesn't do subtle sequel bait. However, it also functions as a clever misdirect to fans who know Batman lore to make them start thinking maybe Riddler will have some connection to Edward Elliot and perhaps be incorporating parts of Hush's backstory.

 

[darkdefective]

What if Hugo Strange was a psychologist who did some study on children who lost their parent's to violence and that's how the two met? It would be reasonable they didn't know each other's last names meeting in that context. Alfred gets Bruce out of the study after he gets bad vibes, or notices his violent tendencies getting worse, but Elliot stays in the program.

This reminds me of the isolation tank experiment in Morrison’s run. Where it was entirely exposition but it all worked so well.

 

[Chris B]

Would I be alone in thinking that we may get both Hush and Hugo Strange here? Hush getting the primary focus but Hugo is the overarching villain in the background.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Would I be alone in thinking that we may get both Hush and Hugo Strange here? Hush getting the primary focus but Hugo is the overarching villain in the background.

Enormously possible!

 

[Boom]

I could see Hush stepping into the Night Scourge role quite easily if they're borrowing from Batman: Prey.

 

[Chris B]

Enormously possible!

If I was a betting man, my bet would be that we get those two and Robin, with kids are affected by the loss of a parent(s) being a major theme. But I'll happily eat crow if that's not the case lol.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I could see Hush stepping into the Night Scourge role quite easily if they're borrowing from Batman: Prey.

A Batman sequel being speculated to be inspired by Prey... what year is it?!