I'm Reading Your Stuff: General News and Discussion Thread

[Johnny Frost]

If I had to guess, I think Reeves will take elements from Telltale and give great importance to Arkham, and cases like Sofia's have happened several times throughout Gotham's history. In some comics, Harvey's father had him committed to Arkham as a child; perhaps there will be something like that here.

Centering the mystery around Arkham would make sense for Reeves. You could tell a story about the city's corruption while there's a personal conflict for this Bruce who happens to come from the Arkham family, and Reeves indicated that the revelations in the first film raise questions about his mental health.

 

[BatLobster]

One comment that stood out to me recently was Colin Farrell saying the script is "deeper, scarier, the stakes are bigger."

Considering the first film dealt with a Zodiac-influenced creepy serial killer who was exposing corruption at the highest levels and then had a go at mass murder, definitely makes you wonder what's cooking in Gotham this time.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Honestly, I think its 85% likely the Court Of Owls are going to be the big bad in the movie.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Still going with Hush as the main villain. The Elliot’s play a major part in the entire story. It’s Edward Elliot’s investigation that set everything in motion. Two-Face will be a villain in the making. These two absolutely fit the “grey area” Matt talked about. This is what I’m thinking at the moment:

Open up with a murder that’s resembles the Wayne’s murder in almost exact detail. Batman, Gordon and Harvey take their investigation in different directions. To Arkham where Batman questions Riddler on what he knows and also finds out what Dr. Arkham is doing to the patients. To Penguin where Harvey ends up getting scarred and Tommy becomes his surgeon then releases him (Harvey is supposed to propose to Gilda on Christmas, but it doesn’t happen because of this). Batman and Gordon end up following a new lead that actually takes them in the right direction, but Hush uses Gilda as a decoy. Maybe Hush is cutting out victims tongues to “silence” them, but his surgical precision is a clue. Hush continues to taunt Bruce (like leaving pearls at the scene of a crime) and manipulate everyone around him until all secrets are revealed about the Wayne’s and the connection to the Elliot’s. Batman eventually faces Hush and he gets sent to Arkham. Two-Face emerges in the end and it’s revealed that he and Hush struck a deal at a coin flip. Dr. Arkham is killed and the max security inmates escape.

Something like that more or less. I know this film is very deep and well thought out out with a bunch of filled notebooks and a thick script. Trying not to miss a detail that was given about this film so far and trying no to stray too far away from the seeds of part 1. I don’t expect any crazy and unnecessary M. Night. Shyamalan type twists nor combining villains together. I do think that the Wayne and Dent stories will be emotionally heavy and will involve the deeper corruption (Maybe Dent is set up by an inside man). I’m not sure what the Wayne and Arkham story will reveal. Bruce will find it hard to be Batman, because of what Riddler started and Hush making Bruce look even worse. Leslie Thompkins would be a great addition. Wishful thinking would be for Barbra to be kidnapped by Hatter, who’s also working for Hush. That would not only make Gordon’s role bigger, but also give Batman a more theatrical villain to fight, because Hush doesn’t have minions. I’d love a snowy graveyard battle between Batman and Hush similar to The Phantom vs Raoul. I’m sticking with this until more gets revealed.

 

[Trevor Fitzroy]

It would be nice if they could avoid doing the same type of murder mystery again and go in another direction with it. There are lots of different ways to do a Noir Batman movie.

Having a movie that takes place over one day/night would be unique from other superhero movies. It would be really cool to see almost a 310 to Yuma type story where Batman needs to transport someone(corrupt cop?), through the gauntlet that is Gotham with traps and bad cops around every corner. Have it set during a blackout to create more of a surreal atmosphere.

You would probably have to front load it with exposition to establish a story, or flashbacks.

Not sure how the big bad would work, maybe he's transporting said witness to Dent, who is secretly also corrupt.

 

[Luke995]

It would be nice if they could avoid doing the same type of murder mystery again and go in another direction with it. There are lots of different ways to do a Noir Batman movie.

Having a movie that takes place over one day/night would be unique from other superhero movies. It would be really cool to see almost a 310 to Yuma type story where Batman needs to transport someone(corrupt cop?), through the gauntlet that is Gotham with traps and bad cops around every corner. Have it set during a blackout to create more of a surreal atmosphere.

You would probably have to front load it with exposition to establish a story, or flashbacks.

Not sure how the big bad would work, maybe he's transporting said witness to Dent, who is secretly also corrupt.

I can see it in a third movie. Having build the whole context of Gotham, you can be free to use it in a last movie where everything come together.

 

[BigBatTheory]

Okay, just recorded the next episode of my podcast where we finally came upon a decent theory for all of this.

I'm imagining the first hour-ish of the movie has Batman and Harvey Dent investigating the corruption, with Dent having a main role in the anti-corruption task force. The cracks start to show in Harvey's psyche during this time. At some point in the investigation, Harvey essentially uncovers that his father, AND his wife are involved in it. They are both connected to this conspiracy, which is ultimately the Court of Owls. Christopher Dent is a powerful and corrupt judge, and was incredibly abusive to Harvey growing up which caused him to develop DID. Christopher had the young Harvey temporarily institutionalized where he was further abused by Dr. Arkham, who ran experiments on his alter that caused it to become violent but it was ultimately surpressed. As Harvey got older, he wanted to pursue law like his father. It became apparent that he would not be accepting of his father's criminality and would go against the conspiracy. As a prominent member of this Court of Owls, Christopher Dent isn't going to have his son executed, but the Court needs to keep him controlled. He is set up with Gilda Gold, a member of another prominent Court family, to keep tabs on him and hopefully get him to one day accept involvement in the conspiracy. This revelation (made independently from Batman) causes his once suppressed DID alter to manifest violently, causing Harvey Dent to go AWOL. He takes on some masked persona, maybe visually similar to Hush, idk, and starts picking off the other Court members. Batman's investigation pivots to investigating Harvey, and he begins to unravel all of this, and it at a point would lead him to his family, the Arkhams/Dr. Arkham, and their history of involvement in this conspiracy. Bruce would uncover that his maternal grandmother killed her husband and then herself when she uncovered the horrors committed by her husband as a part of this creepy ritualistic cult/brotherhood that used their family institution to abuse people for centuries.

Thoughts?