The Dark Knight Rises Improving Fight Scenes

[The Watchman]

I wouldn't mind a few more money-shots as it were, but I really don't want to see a dance...

 

[The Guard]

Other than the zero gravitity sequence, which awesome fight scenes were there in INCEPTION?

Also, I just watched BATMAN BEGINS yesterday, and I'm fairly certain that if you're even capable of paying attention to the screen, you can definitely tell what's going on during the fight sequences, especially after the initial appearance of Batman at the docks.

 

[The Watchman]

Played more coherently at home than in the theater, I must be in the minority, but I loved the fight scenes in both, brutal and to the point.

 

[Hardknox]

I agree with you two. Don't get me wrong, when I say the fight scenes wizz passed me, I just mean they weren't very memorable. Following the fight scenes in Nolan's films is no challenge, they are brutal and to the point, agreed, which is great. I just wouldn't mind seeing a little more. Yeah, slip in a nice money shot or two.

People complaining that they couldn't follow the fights...Jesus Christ, don't come to the cinema with me because I don't want to sit there explaining "Yeah, he just rammed the guy's head into the wall?" because I've had to do that and Jesus Christ haha

A good example of when I say money shots is this fantastic shot at the start of Batman Begins - when Bruce is fighting the criminals in the prison. There's that point where Bruce just gets a bunch of them off his back when he stands up and yells and the shot cut back to a wide shot to show it all for a second. That was a nice shot, how about a couple more of those in the fights.

I really liked the fight scenes in Batman Begins, they were great. Again brutal and to the point and it worked for the character.

I don't want to see a martial arts dance, either, no need for that. Yeah, just a couple more money shots to have fun with I guess.

Just back to INCEPTION for a second:
I think the reason why the zero gravity fights (the tumbling hallway fight and the zero gravity fight) stood out for me was that I just didn't expect it to happen at all. I was watching a sci-fi film that had a lot of chasing and shooting back and forth. Everyone was getting killed by guns, no one had hardly thrown a punch before that scene. I didn't expect it to come down to a fist fight, so that and the way it was handled, stood out for me.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Batman's fighting style in TDKR should be exactly like we've seen in the cinematic trailer for Batman: Arkham City .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYdACm1xEOY&feature=player_embedded

 

[Gianakin_]

It is. Albeit more reserved.

 

[El Payaso]

Other than the zero gravitity sequence, which awesome fight scenes were there in INCEPTION?

Also, I just watched BATMAN BEGINS yesterday, and I'm fairly certain that if you're even capable of paying attention to the screen, you can definitely tell what's going on during the fight sequences, especially after the initial appearance of Batman at the docks.

No. And if not for the SHH I still wouldn't know who the hell put that metallic thing into thne train controls to keep it going on.

It's not only that they're choppy and messy, it's that they're just tiring. I waited 1 hour to see Batman and then I cannot see him. That's not cute.

 

[baleheadbrasil]

Batman's fighting style in TDKR should be exactly like we've seen in the cinematic trailer for Batman: Arkham City .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYdACm1xEOY&feature=player_embedded

I´m totally with you!

And I hope TDKR have many amazing fight scenes!

 

[Lencho01]

So, with Bane, who's most associated with being a physical match (or superior) to Batman, what do people expect to see?

 

[EliteF50]

Nolan seriously needs to find a better fight choreographer. The fight scenes in TDK were absolutely pathetic. They looked so staged I almost started laughing in the theater.

 

[RustyCage]

It's not only that they're choppy and messy, it's that they're just tiring. I waited 1 hour to see Batman and then I cannot see him. That's not cute.

You clearly missed the point. I was overjoyed to be treated with a mysterious, edgy, dark Batman that was hard to make out at first. That's a quality I'd been sorely missing in the character.

After the mysterious bit, we're shown him very clearly - more than once. So yeah, enough exaggerating.

 

[Figs]

Also, I just watched BATMAN BEGINS yesterday, and I'm fairly certain that if you're even capable of paying attention to the screen, you can definitely tell what's going on during the fight sequences, especially after the initial appearance of Batman at the docks.

I've been saying that for awhile now, but some people still say they can't make out anything.

After the mysterious bit, we're shown him very clearly - more than once. So yeah, enough exaggerating.

When he fights the ninjas near the end after Ras gets on the train was a good one. I don't see how that fight or the fight with Ras was hard to make out.

Baleheadbrasil just got probation again???

 

[RustyCage]

When he fights the ninjas near the end after Ras gets on the train was a good one. I don't see how that fight or the fight with Ras was hard to make out.

Not to mention the other Ra's fights. When he first arrives at the League, when he's dueling him on the ice. Both of those were very clear. And the battle with the other prisoners in the mud wasn't too obscure either.

The level of extreme exaggeration and ignorance on this matter tarnishes the film's reputation, and I'm sick of that.

 

[Octoberist]

I have to admit that there needs to be more 'money shots'.

 

[RustyCage]

I have to admit that there needs to be more 'money shots'.

I agree. Even outside of just the fight scenes.

 

[Stringer]

I just think the fight scenes need a more defined style. Too much randomness in the first two movies. If Batman is going to be a sneaky, in and out fighter, then it should stay the same. If they're going to make him a brawler or grappler then Nolan needs to find a more appropriate way to edit it.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

The fights have been...adequate. But adequate's just not satisfying enough when everything surrounding it is astonishing. It seems like the only aspect of these movies that Nolan isn't breaking new ground is in the fight scenes (I won't say "action scenes" because I do think the chase scenes have been very exciting and well executed).

I think it's time to do something that really wows us. The flipping truck in TDK, the flight over Tokyo, the zero gravity fight in Inception - Nolan needs to apply that type of sensory to a serious Batman/Bane showdown. Let the fight breathe, let Wally Pfister & Hans Zimmer work their magic over it, and the audience will melt.

 

[Brother Jack]

Nolan's definitely been improving his action/fight sequences from film to film. I don't doubt that will continue with TDKR. He's the type of director who likes to challenge himself, to improve in the areas that might need it.

 

[RustyCage]

The fights have been...adequate. But adequate's just not satisfying enough when everything surrounding it is astonishing. It seems like the only aspect of these movies that Nolan isn't breaking new ground is in the fight scenes (I won't say "action scenes" because I do think the chase scenes have been very exciting and well executed).

I think it's time to do something that really wows us. The flipping truck in TDK, the flight over Tokyo, the zero gravity fight in Inception - Nolan needs to apply that type of sensory to a serious Batman/Bane showdown. Let the fight breathe, let Wally Pfister & Hans Zimmer work their magic over it, and the audience will melt.

This is precisely why I'm so happy they went with Bane.

The way Chris talks about his attitude toward this film coupled with the choice of Bane makes me think we're pretty safe here.

 

[Conebone69]

Batman's fighting style in TDKR should be exactly like we've seen in the cinematic trailer for Batman: Arkham City .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYdACm1xEOY&feature=player_embedded

Holy ****! That was awesome!

 

[Infinity9999x]

No. And if not for the SHH I still wouldn't know who the hell put that metallic thing into thne train controls to keep it going on.

It's not only that they're choppy and messy, it's that they're just tiring. I waited 1 hour to see Batman and then I cannot see him. That's not cute.

Agreed. I thought it was Bats who jacked up the controls in BB until this year when someone did a scene by scene breakdown of it.

The zero-G and the winter scenes both had better fights then either of the Batman movies. Inception proved that Nolan can film engaging and kinetic fight sequences. Now I just hope he can improve what he's done in his Bat-films.

TDK was a step up, in my opinion. I know quite a few people around here rag on it for sloppy choreography, but honestly, nothing stood out to me when I watched it in theatres. And I could understand what was going on much better then in BB. But I do hope Nolan adds a bit more flair to the sequences, especially when you have a great physical candidate like Bane to play off of.

 

[RustyCage]

Agreed. I thought it was Bats who jacked up the controls in BB until this year when someone did a scene by scene breakdown of it.

Wow, really? When did you figure Batman got that broken sword that was being used and then left sticking out of it? I thought it was a very clear shot of Ra's stabbing it multiple times, with the sword he had been holding the whole time up until that point.

I've never seen someone mistake that bit before. Especially since Ra's did it to keep Batman from stopping the train, which he goes on to mock him about failing at.

Inception proved that Nolan can film engaging and kinetic fight sequences. Now I just hope he can improve what he's done in his Bat-films.

It's certainly encouraging.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Wow, really? When did you figure Batman got that broken sword that was being used and then left sticking out of it? I thought it was a very clear shot of Ra's stabbing it multiple times, with the sword he had been holding the whole time up until that point.

I've never seen someone mistake that bit before. Especially since Ra's did it to keep Batman from stopping the train, which he goes on to mock him about failing at.

It's certainly encouraging.

I thought Batman used a piece of the broken sword to hijack the controls himself. And so did quite a few others a few months back, because we were all having a big debate on the "I don't have to save you" line. A few of us thought it was rather odd, since Batman was the one who set the train up to crash, until someone came in and did a scene by scene breakdown to show that it was actually Ra's who hijacked the controls.

 

[RustyCage]

I thought Batman used a piece of the broken sword to hijack the controls himself. And so did quite a few others a few months back, because we were all having a big debate on the "I don't have to save you" line. A few of us thought it was rather odd, since Batman was the one who set the train up to crash, until someone came in and did a scene by scene breakdown to show that it was actually Ra's who hijacked the controls.

Wow, I was unaware of this confusion entirely.

Guess my eyes are just more attentive or something - I do have a small history in martial arts. Hm.

I feel a sudden compulsion to ask my girlfriend what she saw in that scene, I showed her the film a few nights ago.

 

[Travesty]

Wow, really? When did you figure Batman got that broken sword that was being used and then left sticking out of it? I thought it was a very clear shot of Ra's stabbing it multiple times, with the sword he had been holding the whole time up until that point.

I've never seen someone mistake that bit before. Especially since Ra's did it to keep Batman from stopping the train, which he goes on to mock him about failing at.

Now, I haven't watched BB in awhile, so I don't know for sure, but I thought it was Batman who jacked up the train. Ras says something to the effect of "that's why you can't stop me, and that's why you can't stop this train", and then Batman says "who said anything about stopping". Then, Ras looks at the controls, and notices them jacked up.

Am I wrong here? Maybe I need to re-watch it tonight?