In an all out battle between Prime and KC Supes, who would win?

[CBG]

From what we've seen so far, feat-wise, most likely Prime.

But I sure wish KC give Prime a beatdown not only physically but also morally, and destroy his ridiculous arrogance and ego.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Here's the part that stinks the most about KC supes though...

Why in THIS pic, and why is he holding the Atom?

 

[Miss Webb]

Here's the part that stinks the most about KC supes though...

Why in THIS pic, and why is he holding the Atom?

Yeah, that part worries me too. I'm hoping its just an 'artist' thing where they felt the need to compose all the 'supermen' together. If not, the JSA is screwed, especially Kara.

BTW, some interesting arguments over at Comic Bloc Forums regarding the (still) possible return of Kal-L. Mostly speculation, but a few tidbits that might clear up some debate.

Could KC Supes have some involvement in the search for Palmer? Maybe that's why the image, don't know.

What's the deal with the howling Luthor???

 

[CBG]

No idea.

In addition to KC Superman being there, so is Martian Manhunter.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Now this is where DC is confusing the beejeezus out of me. Afte OYL, I thought Kal-El was getting back to silver age power levels, meaning planet juggling, time travel speeds, etc. I thought this meant he was uber poweful. KC Supes was depicted as being super invunerable bc he has been soaking up solar radiation for so long. Now we have Prime, who is suddenly stronger than all 3 of the current kryptonians on earth (supergirl,powergirl,Kal-El). When was it establsihed that SB prime was stronger than Kal-El in the first place?

All the pre-COIE kryptonians were more powerfull then the post -COIE kryptonians.Even with the after OYL Kal-El was getting back to silver age power levels....he's not completly at that level yet.... it doesnt compair to a pre-COIE kryptonian who has been at that level for a unknowen amount of years.

 

[CBG]

I disagree. NE Superman is formidable, but he's not approaching SA power levels. Prime is closer, but still has a distance to go, in terms of matching the Earth-1 Superman at his most powerful (and ridiculous) during the height of the Silver Age.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I disagree. NE Superman is formidable, but he's not approaching SA power levels. Prime is closer, but still has a distance to go, in terms of matching the Earth-1 Superman at his most powerful (and ridiculous) during the height of the Silver Age.

What are you disagreeing with???All I said was .........."All the pre-COIE kryptonians were more powerfull then the post -COIE kryptonians" and thats still a fact.I didnt say the Prime was a match for Silver Age Superman in power even thou I personaly believe that he is.Superboy prime was created to be the match in power to the Silverage Superboy who was the equil of Silverage Superman in power but not experance.

 

[CBG]

I was disagreeing with

Even with the after OYL Kal-El was getting back to silver age power levels....he's not completly at that level yet....

And Prime wasn't really created with SA power levels, back in 1985. All that really distinguished him from E1 and E2 Supermen was that he was immune to red sun radiation, when he broke out of a red sun prison when the E1 Superman couldn't.

It's more accurate to say that upon reintroducing him to mainstream continuity, DC writers decided to up his power levels.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I was disagreeing with



And Prime wasn't really created with SA power levels, back in 1985. All that really distinguished him from E1 and E2 Supermen was that he was immune to red sun radiation, when he broke out of a red sun prison when the E1 Superman couldn't.

It's more accurate to say that upon reintroducing him to mainstream continuity, DC writers decided to up his power levels.

No when Prime was forst created it was the intentions of the writters that he be the equal in power to the Superboy that had been apperaing since the late 60's in books like Superboy & the Legion of Superheroes and then in his own book.

That Superboy also had had the same power levels as Silverage Superman.

 

[CBG]

Where was it implied back in COIE that Superboy-Prime was equal in power to the Superboy of the Silver Age?

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Where was it implied back in COIE that Superboy-Prime was equal in power to the Superboy of the Silver Age?

If you read the interviews with the writters of COIE or in the Hardcover paperback you'll read it.They wanted to represent all the different versions of Superman in the Crissis so to better bring a end to those versions of Superboy.Also in the "Who's who's of Dc" books of that year his power levels are describe as being the same as the previeos Superboy.

 

[CBG]

If you read the interviews with the writters of COIE or in the Hardcover paperback you'll read it.They wanted to represent all the different versions of Superman in the Crissis so to better bring a end to those versions of Superboy.Also in the "Who's who's of Dc" books of that year his power levels are describe as being the same as the previeos Superboy.

This the same Superboy who towed planets?

I'll have to look up those interviews in the Composium.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

This the same Superboy who towed planets?

I'll have to look up those interviews in the Composium.

You might be mixing up what I'm saying.I'm not saying that Prime is the same Superboy that towed planets.

But Prime was modeled to be a match to the Superboy who towed planets.

The writters wanted to bring a worthy end to all the different incranations of Superman that exsisted in the multiverse.So that there would be no lingering questions from the fans on why there was no Superboy in the final battle for the Multiverse.

So they created Superboy Prime to fill that void and it was their intent that he be a match for the previous version of Superboy.

They never really got a chance to show wether Prime was a match for the other Superboy because besides his first apperance in DC presents and the "Crissis" the really didnt do more with his character.

If the multiverse had continued he may have been showent to be weeker or stronger then the other Superboy's or Superman's we'll never know.

 

[Miss Webb]

This debate has a lot of meat to it:

http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000133678&start=15&tstart=0

One of the things I always had a problem with was how similar powered heroes tended to have the exact same skill, strength and ability in all things. This can't be possible. During the time Kal-El thought SuperGirl was stronger (which made no sense) there's no way you could tell me that given their body type they could have the same physical strength. Power levels, yes. But in terms of physical strength it just doesn't figure. It's like a room full of powerlifters...they're all strong, but some will always be stronger than others because of the way they're built. Just as I think Kara is probably physically stronger than SG, though their power levels are similar. I know Kara wasn't as strong as her cousin. Back in the pages of Justice Society when I think the original Brainwave seduced the Society with the waters of Ruthlessness, Kara tried in vain to stop Kal-L from taking over the world. She got bruised and battered for her efforts (although crazy, Kal-L wasn't trying to hurt her). She finally gave up and told him to do whatever he wanted, she couldn't stop him anyway. Kal said she finally wised up, allowing him to continue his mission.

All the Supers could probably battle in a standoff, but in a physical grappling contest I think the strongest are probably the two Kals and Kara.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Pre-Crisis all the versions of Superman had the same basic power level adjusted for age. The most powerful was Ultraman of E-3 because he gained new powers every time he was exposed to kryptonite. The next was E-1 because he was the one who was in his physical prime. SBP was the next because he was in his mid to late teens and had the resilience of youth. Kal-L of E-2 was only slightly weaker than Superman of E-1 and may even have still been stronger than SBP. Every universe had a version of Superman and ultimately all were of the same power level to maintain the balance between the universes. Captain Marvel was Earth S's version and also had powers equal to Superman. He did not have the extra vision powers and so on but had an invulnerability to magic to compensate. Supergirl of E-1 was more powerful in every way than Power Girl.

 

[Kitsune]

Yeah, that part worries me too. I'm hoping its just an 'artist' thing where they felt the need to compose all the 'supermen' together. If not, the JSA is screwed, especially Kara.

BTW, some interesting arguments over at Comic Bloc Forums regarding the (still) possible return of Kal-L. Mostly speculation, but a few tidbits that might clear up some debate.

Could KC Supes have some involvement in the search for Palmer? Maybe that's why the image, don't know.

What's the deal with the howling Luthor???

Stigmata is painfull

 

[Miss Webb]

Stigmata is painfull

At DC Message boards they're saying Luthor is crying over the death of Conner. He's got his blood on his hands. (I didn't notice this at first but close up you can see it).

 

[Artistsean]

I don't know about Prime, but KC Superman has no weakness to Kryptonite.

 

[Spike_x1]

This thread had to be bumped?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Prime's universe had no kryptonite. The current version of kryptonite is different than the pre-crisis version so Prime has no functional kryptonite weakness either.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Prime's universe had no kryptonite. The current version of kryptonite is different than the pre-crisis version so Prime has no functional kryptonite weakness either.

Prime's universe had did in fact have kryptonite since it had a Krypton all thou I dont think he ever encountered it.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I don't know about Prime, but KC Superman has no weakness to Kryptonite.

That line only proves that his has built up a tollarance to Krptonite not that he had no weekness to it at all.

 

[Stallion9979]

No it was established that in Prime's universe, Krypton's sun went supernova completely destroying everything unlike just Krypton blowing up...because of this Kryptonite didnt exist in his universe....

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

No it was established that in Prime's universe, Krypton's sun went supernova completely destroying everything unlike just Krypton blowing up...because of this Kryptonite didnt exist in his universe....

You mind if I ask where that fact was established???I have Prime's first apperance and I dont remember it quite happening that way but it have been 15 years since I read the book so I could be misstaken.

 

[Stallion9979]

Here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superboy-Prime

scroll down to weaknesses...