Incredible Hulk 2

[Bert]

No Rulk, please. Hulk vs Red Hulk would go down like the steaming pile of feces you know that idea is.

 

[Gr0oT]

Sigh. No, it didn't. Seriously. Describe to me these compelling features the Abomination had. He was more a cardboard cutout than Malekith, and had less personality and charisma, and a far worse aesthetic. What, exactly, is so great about him?

No need to sigh as if you've gone over this with me for ages or if your opinion is a definitive thing.

I liked Abominations villain arc much more than most everyone elses, there is a progression and evolution to it.
He's a natural born soldier coming to the end of his career.
He witnesses the epitome of power.
Insecure as he is about the inevitability of his decrepitude he jumps at the chance to be a guinea pig for something that will make him more human than human.
He's on fire, he's got moves like he never had before, he holds his own against the Hulk for a minute, he gets pulverized.
He heals.
His version of the SSS degenerates his mind and fuels is obsession to challenge the Hulk, and to know how to tap into that power.
He coerces Stern into hulking him out.
The best MCU one on one fight unfolds.

I liked Malekith but Malekith had much less development than Abomination and you really can't argue that. You can say he is a cardboard cut out but the character had some actual evolution in his arc whereas Malekith wasn't handled with justice.

Furthermore Abomination actually has room to grow since they didn't arbitrarily kill him off, so yeah, he wins on most counts apart from the more subjective ones that are personal to individuals.

 

[Dasher10]

The first Hulk movie left some loose ends hanging, namely Red Hulk and Leader. Also, there's She-Hulk who right now doesn't exist in the MCU when she's one of the most important characters in the Marvel Universe.

And let's not forget the Guilt Hulk, Joe Fixit, Green Scar and Merged Hulk personas. The Incredible Hulk wasn't a failure, it just wasn't as much of a success as Iron Man was and the subsequent films only did as well as they did from being part of the established MCU. If a Hulk sequel were made today, it would certainly be a box office success, particularly with Mark Ruffalo playing Banner.

 

[KangConquers]

Marvel is afraid to make another Hulk movie because the first two both lost money. Obviously, any character with a 50 + year history has many arcs worth exploring. The problem is Marvel isn't confident in their ability to turn a profit.

 

[Gr0oT]

Hulk
Budget: $137 million
Box Office: $245,360,480

The Incredible Hulk
Budget: $150 million
Box Office: $263,427,551

Underwhelming but they didn't do like John Carter and actually lose money.
Plus these things never seem to factor home viewing sales.

I'm positive that Hulk will get a sequel during Phase 3, he was the show stealer during the Avengers and will probably rise even more in popularity in Age of Ultron.

 

[M-2]

I really hope if they do Incredible Hulk 2 that we would get SHE-HULK! Her origin story is soooo simple compared to other Heroes... and I'd say add Hawkeye into the story. Hulk plays well off other characters and Hawkeye needs some screentime! Plus I think they'd make an interesting dynamic.

The only thing I'm not so sure about is how to do She-Hulk?? Do you go full CGI or paint the actress Green then in post production increase her, or motion capture her?

 

[Silvermoth]

I suppose if it's a movie you would cgi/mo cap her. I would love to see her though

 

[Lantern Venom]

Hulk
Budget: $137 million
Box Office: $245,360,480

The Incredible Hulk
Budget: $150 million
Box Office: $263,427,551

Underwhelming but they didn't do like John Carter and actually lose money.
Plus these things never seem to factor home viewing sales.

I'm positive that Hulk will get a sequel during Phase 3, he was the show stealer during the Avengers and will probably rise even more in popularity in Age of Ultron.

I feel the same way. It's almost a certainty that Hulk will get another movie, particularly if he comes out as well in Avengers 2 the way he did in the original.

That doesn't change the fact that it still annoys me that neither of the solo movies have had sequels at this point. Many of the criticisms I've seen from casual fans and the critics are, not surprisingly, uninformed.

 

[Que)]

Anything in the MCU is worth seeing for me... but they could make thins movie a bit better.

Leader. She-Hulk. Red Hulk. Rick Jones.
MY TICKET IS SOLD.

 

[babykhris]

While I would love to see another Hulk film one thing all of seem to forget. Universal is still in the picture. Unlike the other films where Disney bought the distribution rights from Paramount Universal still have Hulk's distribution rights...

Universal would love to get the sweet deal Paramount got...Make millions without doing nothing. Unless Disney buys out Universal I can't see it happening. And while they are at it get Namor back too.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I am not sure that applies anymore. There hasn't been movement on a Hulk film since TIH, so if that contract operates on a time table, then Universal might be out of the picture now. But, even if they are, we already saw that they will work with Marvel Studios.

 

[metaphysician]

The first Hulk movie left some loose ends hanging, namely Red Hulk .

No, no it didn't. The movie gave not even the slightest hint of anything involving the Red Hulk.

It has General Ross as a character. General Ross has been a major character in his own right for decades before Loeb ever had the brain aneurysm that led to the Red Hulk.

 

[Dasher10]

No, no it didn't. The movie gave not even the slightest hint of anything involving the Red Hulk.

It has General Ross as a character. General Ross has been a major character in his own right for decades before Loeb ever had the brain aneurysm that led to the Red Hulk.

Okay, but General Ross never transformed. My point is that there are some great villains and supporting characters who should appear.

 

[Spider-Fan]

No, no it didn't. The movie gave not even the slightest hint of anything involving the Red Hulk.

It has General Ross as a character. General Ross has been a major character in his own right for decades before Loeb ever had the brain aneurysm that led to the Red Hulk.

I could see justification that maybe Ross feels that Blonksy's blood could be the answer to giving him the power of the Hulk, which both Blonksy and Banner have squandered/don't deserve in his eyes. But, at same time...I think it is too similar to Blonksy's TIH plotline. I think you need to go to someone like The Leader or another Hulk villain like that before returning to the idea of bad guy becomes an evil Hulk.

 

[Peyton Westlake]

Hulk
Budget: $137 million
Box Office: $245,360,480

The Incredible Hulk
Budget: $150 million
Box Office: $263,427,551

Underwhelming but they didn't do like John Carter and actually lose money.
Plus these things never seem to factor home viewing sales.

I'm positive that Hulk will get a sequel during Phase 3, he was the show stealer during the Avengers and will probably rise even more in popularity in Age of Ultron.

Domestic Box Office $134,806,913 Details International Box Office $128,611,000 Worldwide Box Office $263,417,913 Home Market Performance Domestic DVD Sales $60,414,291 Details Domestic Blu-ray Sales $3,538,563 Details Total Domestic Video Sales $63,952,854


I found this , factoring in DVD & Blu ray for Incredible Hulk 2008 from The Numbers.com

 

[Gr0oT]

See that extra $63 million is a nice bump, has to count for something.
Regardless I really hope he gets a chance to smash for Phase 3. That means we could have a Hulk movie as early as 2 years from now!

I'm wondering if the use of the Sakaarans in GotG will close the use of them for anything Hulk related in the future.

 

[Cyclonus]

I was felt like the 2008 Incredible Hulk movie that Marvel released would have been better if it wasn't for the 2003 Hulk movie not being that good. I remember I had a few friends who didn't want to or were kind of hesitant to go to the theaters to see the Incredible Hulk because they didn't like the 2003 Hulk, and thought they were tied together or it was its sequel. I'm pretty sure if the 2003 Hulk movie was never released and the first Hulk movie would have been the 2008 version, money wise it would did alot better. The 2008 Incredible Hulk is still a great movie in my opinion, but yeah we need a Incredible Hulk 2

 

[Peyton Westlake]

See that extra $63 million is a nice bump, has to count for something.
Regardless I really hope he gets a chance to smash for Phase 3. That means we could have a Hulk movie as early as 2 years from now!

I'm wondering if the use of the Sakaarans in GotG will close the use of them for anything Hulk related in the future.

Exactly, so im thinking based on that.....they had to make money off it.

 

[Gr0oT]

I was felt like the 2008 Incredible Hulk movie that Marvel released would have been better if it wasn't for the 2003 Hulk movie not being that good. I remember I had a few friends who didn't want to or were kind of hesitant to go to the theaters to see the Incredible Hulk because they didn't like the 2003 Hulk, and thought they were tied together or it was its sequel. I'm pretty sure if the 2003 Hulk movie was never released and the first Hulk movie would have been the 2008 version, money wise it would did alot better. The 2008 Incredible Hulk is still a great movie in my opinion, but yeah we need a Incredible Hulk 2

I think the same way.
Ang's Hulk might have a comparable RT score but ultimately people where put off by Ang's subdued approach, he just didn't hit the right notes and damaged the property.
Consequently Marvel Studios made the mistake of initially drafting The Incredible Hulk as a sequel and then after the rewrites there wasn't a concerted effort to make it clear that this was a new beginning.
To this day many people think it is Hulk 2 although the movie offers plenty of evidence to the contrary.

It's a shame that Hulk 2003 exist.
In my fantasy world where it doesn't we would have gotten an even better movie in 2008 that would have better blended the cerebral parts of Ang's version with the smashing popcorn fun of Letteriers and we'd probably have Sam Elliot as our Thunderbolt Ross and Ruffalo as Hulk from the start.

 

[The Endless]

The production budget needs to be doubled to break even, when you figure in distribution costs, marketing costs and the cut the theatre chains take.

So a film with a 150 mill budget needs to make around 300 million just to break even. Unfortunately TIH didn't do that.

But considering how popular Hulk was in Avengers, it's a surprise Marvel haven't considered another solo film.

 

[Chance Jackson]

Hulk
Budget: $137 million
Box Office: $245,360,480

The Incredible Hulk
Budget: $150 million
Box Office: $263,427,551

Underwhelming but they didn't do like John Carter and actually lose money.
Plus these things never seem to factor home viewing sales.

I'm positive that Hulk will get a sequel during Phase 3, he was the show stealer during the Avengers and will probably rise even more in popularity in Age of Ultron.

Domestic Box Office $134,806,913 Details International Box Office $128,611,000 Worldwide Box Office $263,417,913 Home Market Performance Domestic DVD Sales $60,414,291 Details Domestic Blu-ray Sales $3,538,563 Details Total Domestic Video Sales $63,952,854


I found this , factoring in DVD & Blu ray for Incredible Hulk 2008 from The Numbers.com

Rule of thumb is that the Studio only gets 1/2 of the box office gross so when a movie doesn't double it's budget by the time the world wide gross is factored in it can only be considered a flop by the studio. Compare that to a movie that turns a profit with domestic gross alone and its not difficult to see why marvel wouldn't want to do another Hulk movie.

 

[fixxxer]

I was felt like the 2008 Incredible Hulk movie that Marvel released would have been better if it wasn't for the 2003 Hulk movie not being that good. I remember I had a few friends who didn't want to or were kind of hesitant to go to the theaters to see the Incredible Hulk because they didn't like the 2003 Hulk, and thought they were tied together or it was its sequel. I'm pretty sure if the 2003 Hulk movie was never released and the first Hulk movie would have been the 2008 version, money wise it would did alot better. The 2008 Incredible Hulk is still a great movie in my opinion, but yeah we need a Incredible Hulk 2

Couldn't agree more with this entire post. I remember being in college when Ang Lee's travesty came out. As the lone hardcore comicbook freak among my buddies, I literally felt I owed the other guys an apology for dragging them to the movie.

 

[Cyclonus]

Couldn't agree more with this entire post. I remember being in college when Ang Lee's travesty came out. As the lone hardcore comicbook freak among my buddies, I literally felt I owed the other guys an apology for dragging them to the movie.

Exactly, being a comicbook fan, I remember telling people to watch the 2003 Hulk movie after it came out because I was happy a Hulk movie was released, and then remembering a large number of people I knew hated that movie. Whats funny, my wife has watched pretty much all of the Marvel Phase 1 and Phase 2 movies, and a few other Marvel movies, but I won't show her the 2003 Hulk movie. She's seen the DVD in my collection and has asked about it, but I just simply tell her, you don't want to watch it.... she really likes the 2008 Hulk movie.

 

[metaphysician]

Rule of thumb is that the Studio only gets 1/2 of the box office gross so when a movie doesn't double it's budget by the time the world wide gross is factored in it can only be considered a flop by the studio. Compare that to a movie that turns a profit with domestic gross alone and its not difficult to see why marvel wouldn't want to do another Hulk movie.

Um, no. Just because it doesn't break even in theaters doesn't mean its a flop. It means it didn't do well, but "doesn't do well" and "flop" are *not synonymous*. Flop really means "the studio takes a bath on the movie", which is not the case when it only just misses going black in theaters. A flop would be if a 150M budget movie only made 200M in theaters, leaving it with a long struggle to *maybe* break even post-release.

( and a bomb would be when a 150M budget movie makes 100M in theaters, assuring that it will never escape the red ink )

 

[fixxxer]

Um, no. Just because it doesn't break even in theaters doesn't mean its a flop. It means it didn't do well, but "doesn't do well" and "flop" are *not synonymous*. Flop really means "the studio takes a bath on the movie", which is not the case when it only just misses going black in theaters. A flop would be if a 150M budget movie only made 200M in theaters, leaving it with a long struggle to *maybe* break even post-release.

( and a bomb would be when a 150M budget movie makes 100M in theaters, assuring that it will never escape the red ink )

Yep, and this doesn't even start to consider the weird, amorphous and quasi-legal-at-best practice commonly referred to as "Hollywood accounting". Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix, for example, made $967 mill and went down on the books as a loss of $167 mill.

I know that it's commonly stated that as a thumb rule, a blockbuster needs to make back double of it's production budget to be profitable. I find that extremely hard to swallow. Yes, advertising, marketing and distribution are real expenses, but profits stemming from DVD sales, television sales, television sales, internet streaming rights, merchandising rights are all huge revenue streams that conveniently get left out of the larger narrative.

All in all, I'm pretty certain that The Incredible Hulk made a nice, tidy profit despite its box-office take not hitting the imaginary "two times the production budget" mark.

Was TIH a masterpiece? Nope. It was however, IMO, a well-acted, well-made movie. TIH underperformed compared to the rest of the Marvel Studios films, but I don't think that can be attributable to the movie or the Hulk character itself. My main reasons would be:

1. The poor taste in their mouths that was Ang Lee's Hulk still wasn't completely washed out.

2. Connected universe, um, what's that? I think the number of people who were aware of the "MCU" concept at the time of TIH were minuscule. I don't think I knew a single person who knew that this was connected to the Iron Man they'd just seen and loved. (Yes, I'm talking about my friends/family in Bangalore, who on average, were probably not as "comicbook literate" as the average American moviegoer at the time, but still, not a single one knew that there was a connection.)