Indy 5

[The Navigator]

Maybe, but aliens are a whole different animal than religious artifacts. But I think the criticisms come more from the over-the-top stunts that were done, which were more ridiculous than anything in the first three movies. There were fantastical moments like in Temple of Doom when Indy and co. survive falling out of a plane via an inflatable raft, but it was never taken to the extent of "nuking the fridge" or the three consecutive waterfall drops.

To be fair, Indy's tatic of slicing the bridge in half while he's tied to it was the one thing guaranteed to kill him in that whole movie. Nuking the fridge he'd just break every bone in his body. Optimistically.

 

[ALP]

I really enjoyed KOTC. I don't like it as much as the first three but still an enjoyable film, only certain parts didn't match here or there. But I do not like the idea of KOTC being a 'starter' film. I honestly have absolutely NO interest in seeing an Indy film where Indy has a family clinging to him...his son Mutt playing sidekick and his wife rambling on in the background. Please no...

The best thing to do would definitely be to make a prequel that takes place like one or two years before KOTC. Unfortunately, this does not look like the case because Spielberg seems to want Shia in the film. That already has me losing a bit of interest. And on the other hand...look at the facts. Steven Spielberg is booked up for years, if he's to direct another Indy film, it will be a very long time before it gets made and Harrison Ford is already close to 70.

Ideally, I'd want a film that takes place in the early 50s with Spielberg and Lucas prepping it like right now for a soon shoot date. But logistically, that is just not going to happen. With Spielberg's plate so full, I'm dubious on the entire movie. What I'd like is for Lucas to make an Indy animated show set in the 40s ala Clone Wars style.

 

[spider-neil]

if shia is in the new movie, I think I'll pass...

I'll always have 1 and 3...
raiders is like the anti trek, where the odd numbers are good and the even numbers are rubbish.

 

[jacobed]

Maybe, but aliens are a whole different animal than religious artifacts. But I think the criticisms come more from the over-the-top stunts that were done, which were more ridiculous than anything in the first three movies. There were fantastical moments like in Temple of Doom when Indy and co. survive falling out of a plane via an inflatable raft, but it was never taken to the extent of "nuking the fridge" or the three consecutive waterfall drops.

Are you serious, the raft scene is way more ridiculous than the fridge. The fridge was just bad ass with his silouette and the mushroom cloud. The raft scene just wasn't all that great. I don't get why people hate the 4th one so much and then bring up the nuke as a reason why. These movies are not made to be realistic at all. They're made to be fun adventure flicks that will take our minds off the realistic world for a few hours.

 

[chaseter]

if shia is in the new movie, I think I'll pass...

I'll always have 1 and 3...
raiders is like the anti trek, where the odd numbers are good and the even numbers are rubbish.

5 is an odd number

 

[Doctor Jones]

Maybe, but aliens are a whole different animal than religious artifacts. But I think the criticisms come more from the over-the-top stunts that were done, which were more ridiculous than anything in the first three movies. There were fantastical moments like in Temple of Doom when Indy and co. survive falling out of a plane via an inflatable raft, but it was never taken to the extent of "nuking the fridge" or the three consecutive waterfall drops.

They fell out of an airplane thousands of feet in the air, somehow landed down a mountain side sliding down the snow, somehow dodging trees, then falling right off a cliff then into rapids. And none of them broke a single bone in their body.

People hear and imagine the word nuke and Indy and that automatically means it's the most ridiculous thing ever. Indy, Willie and Short Round had the soft ass 1930's raft (I mean, can it even inflate when it's in free fall?)that pops when you stick a needle in it yet somehow doesn't tear or pop or fall apart after all those falls, while the fridge was lead lined.

Please. Aliens are more believable than the power of God coming out and finding the Lost Ark and melting people's faces and head explosions. I guess a 600 year old knight is fine too. And people still alive and breathing and panicking while their heart has been torn out?

I can understand the execution, that's fine. I do admit, the finale in KOTCS could have been handled better in being more ambiguous about the aliens, and not have been too showy. But the ideas themselves were in the same line. These movies have always been on the edge of believability. Indy cutting the bridge and not slamming into the cliff side and breaking any bones is ridiculous. My God, so is eating monkey brains, which I seem to remember the controversy that had.

 

[ALP]

My God you people are ridiculous.

I never ever get into that type of debate because it is pointless. Indy films have always been unrealistic with just as much crazy **** happening than in the last. And I love every moment of it(although absolutely nothing will ever best Indy blasting several nazis with a single bullet).

I loved the fridge moment. Only thing I didn't particularly care for was Mutt swinging through the air with the monkeys, it was simply stupid and not cool in the slightest. And Temple of Doom is my favorite adventure film ever made.

 

[Secret Fawful]

Even as a new member, I have to say I disagree with all the ToD hate myself. That movie is fricking BALLS to the WALL. It's awesome.

 

[8wid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaAfH5hTkio

Land of the dead Macguffin much? Perhaps the entrance is Mt. Vesuvius at Pompeii and where Indy searches for the ghost of his father or Marcus.

Indiana Jones and the Shadows of the Underworld
Indiana Jones and the Minions of Hades

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Indiana Jones was inspired not only by the movie-serial heroes of the 30's and 40's, but James Bond as well. This is why all these impossible stunts are made possible with this character. So sure, while the raft drop in TTOD is beyond belief, that's kinda the point.

 

[spider-neil]

5 is an odd number

SHH!

 

[maenalus]

I really enjoyed KOTC. I don't like it as much as the first three but still an enjoyable film, only certain parts didn't match here or there. But I do not like the idea of KOTC being a 'starter' film. I honestly have absolutely NO interest in seeing an Indy film where Indy has a family clinging to him...his son Mutt playing sidekick and his wife rambling on in the background. Please no...

I agree with all this. KOTCS would have been a lot better if Mutt wasn't Indy's son. One of the problems with the movie was how they kept playing up Indy's age. They should've sought to soften the blow of that change, especially if they wanted it to start a new trilogy.

Ideally, I'd want a film that takes place in the early 50s with Spielberg and Lucas prepping it like right now for a soon shoot date. But logistically, that is just not going to happen. With Spielberg's plate so full, I'm dubious on the entire movie. What I'd like is for Lucas to make an Indy animated show set in the 40s ala Clone Wars style.

50's based prequel to KOTCS is definitely the best way for the movies to go from here. And an animated show would be awesome.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Everything would be just fine if we got a new Indy. It's time for this franchise to turn into James Bond.


We need Indy's Roger Moore.

 

[Superfreak]

They fell out of an airplane thousands of feet in the air, somehow landed down a mountain side sliding down the snow, somehow dodging trees, then falling right off a cliff then into rapids. And none of them broke a single bone in their body.

People hear and imagine the word nuke and Indy and that automatically means it's the most ridiculous thing ever. Indy, Willie and Short Round had the soft ass 1930's raft (I mean, can it even inflate when it's in free fall?)that pops when you stick a needle in it yet somehow doesn't tear or pop or fall apart after all those falls, while the fridge was lead lined.

Please. Aliens are more believable than the power of God coming out and finding the Lost Ark and melting people's faces and head explosions. I guess a 600 year old knight is fine too. And people still alive and breathing and panicking while their heart has been torn out?

I can understand the execution, that's fine. I do admit, the finale in KOTCS could have been handled better in being more ambiguous about the aliens, and not have been too showy. But the ideas themselves were in the same line. These movies have always been on the edge of believability. Indy cutting the bridge and not slamming into the cliff side and breaking any bones is ridiculous. My God, so is eating monkey brains, which I seem to remember the controversy that had.

the difference between falling out of a plane, maybe 100 feet if that (they were crashing) and the whole raft escape... is mildly plausible. The fridge is not.



I think what bothered me the most about 4 (apart from the uneeded use of computer effects, where they weren't needed) was where they strayed from the 'formula'. I was happy to read earlier today that the goal with Indy 5 is to avoid the use of unecessary computer effects, and try and restrain themselves to 'live action, action'

1)the supernatural power is always unseen. In 1-3, we don't see God or Shiva come and actually lay a smack down. We see an event. 1) melty germans, 2)'you betrayed Shiva!' and in 3) the cavern collapses. In 4 however, there's acutally a face to face encounter: this was a mistake. If anything, it should have been more ambiguous. My beef is not with the existance of the supernatural within the world, but the face to face encounter that was uneccesary for the previous movies, is suddenly necessary for the fourth.

I gotta say in the end, that Indy 4 was a rushed piece of work, and probably could have used a couple more drafts and revisions during the writing phase.

 

[DarkKnight88]

1)the supernatural power is always unseen. In 1-3, we don't see God or Shiva come and actually lay a smack down. We see an event. 1) melty germans, 2)'you betrayed Shiva!' and in 3) the cavern collapses. In 4 however, there's acutally a face to face encounter: this was a mistake. If anything, it should have been more ambiguous. My beef is not with the existance of the supernatural within the world, but the face to face encounter that was uneccesary for the previous movies, is suddenly necessary for the fourth.

Maybe you forgot this shot from Raiders.

 

[Doctor Jones]

the difference between falling out of a plane, maybe 100 feet if that (they were crashing) and the whole raft escape... is mildly plausible. The fridge is not.



I think what bothered me the most about 4 (apart from the uneeded use of computer effects, where they weren't needed) was where they strayed from the 'formula'. I was happy to read earlier today that the goal with Indy 5 is to avoid the use of unecessary computer effects, and try and restrain themselves to 'live action, action'

1)the supernatural power is always unseen. In 1-3, we don't see God or Shiva come and actually lay a smack down. We see an event. 1) melty germans, 2)'you betrayed Shiva!' and in 3) the cavern collapses. In 4 however, there's acutally a face to face encounter: this was a mistake. If anything, it should have been more ambiguous. My beef is not with the existance of the supernatural within the world, but the face to face encounter that was uneccesary for the previous movies, is suddenly necessary for the fourth.

I gotta say in the end, that Indy 4 was a rushed piece of work, and probably could have used a couple more drafts and revisions during the writing phase.

Not really. If it's plausible, it's as plausible as surviving a nuke in a lead lined fridge. Now we both know you can't survive both, it's just when you hear the word nuke it somehow means it's more ridiculous. I don't see how someone still breathing and aware that they're going to die while screaming when their heart is still out.

And I said before, I agree that the execution of the finale could have been better. And I've said this before many times too, it should have been more mysterious. I had the idea of only seeing it's outline in a mist of smoke or whatever and its eyes glow. Yeah, too much CG I agree there. And I also agree, the third act could have had more work done too. That's the weakest part.

When the nuke went off, they actually used a model of the test site and filmed that physically.

I'm always someone who rpeferes practical over CG, but I hate the complaint of no CG. Not pertaining to you, but people complain about that. If the other three Indy films were made today there would be CG. They use the latest technology. The opening of the Ark and everything there would have been CG. Hell, that shot of Mola Ram falling off the bridge I didn't know what they did for that, but that would have been CG today. It's just what they used back then. Nearly 20 years later those stuff changed, so they go with that. Did we want to see the same technology they used in Raiders used for KOTCS?

Oh, and no replacement for Indy. Harrison Ford is Indiana Jones. No one else can play him.

 

[Doctor Jones]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaAfH5hTkio

Land of the dead Macguffin much? Perhaps the entrance is Mt. Vesuvius at Pompeii and where Indy searches for the ghost of his father or Marcus.

Indiana Jones and the Shadows of the Underworld
Indiana Jones and the Minions of Hades

That's a cool idea actually and would work. The Macguffin is more of the ghosts of his loved ones that he wishes to see. Then maybe at the finale, Indy has a choice to join his father or stay behind, but he chooses to stay, because he still has Mutt. Wouldn't mind that at all.

 

[spider-neil]

it's really hard for me to put my finger on why I really liked 1 and three and didn't like 2 and 4.

CG? no, 2 didn't have cg and I didn't like it.

too much goofy action? 1 and 3 had goof action.

maybe it was because I know about the ark and the holy grail, also indy had a passion for the ark and his dad had a passion for the grail so the quest MEANT something and they passed that passion onto us, the audience, whereas the audience knows nothing of the shiva stones or crystal skull and no onehad any passion (at least I didn't feel it) for those objects.

oh yeah, 2 and 4 have annoying young bratty side kicks

 

[Bim]

I can understand the execution, that's fine. I do admit, the finale in KOTCS could have been handled better in being more ambiguous about the aliens, and not have been too showy.

I actually like the fact that it was made so obvious and showy

 

[Marx]

My God you people are ridiculous.

I never ever get into that type of debate because it is pointless. Indy films have always been unrealistic with just as much crazy **** happening than in the last. And I love every moment of it(although absolutely nothing will ever best Indy blasting several nazis with a single bullet).

I loved the fridge moment. Only thing I didn't particularly care for was Mutt swinging through the air with the monkeys, it was simply stupid and not cool in the slightest. And Temple of Doom is my favorite adventure film ever made.

The 'hide in a refridgerator to survive a nuclear bomb' part had me rolling my eyes...but Shia Lebeouf swinging through trees with monkeys was beyond stupid and ridiculous.

 

[Doctor Jones]

It's classic Indy though. Getting out of sticky situations by using his head and what's around him. He's not Macuyver or anything but he's always managed to get out of deadly situations by not relying on much other then what's arouhd him.

The Labeof swinging thing wasn't neded, but when I watched it again, it's not as bad as I remembered. Still not good, but not as bad.

 

[scifiwolf]

I have no problems with Mutt as a character or Shia as an actor. I don't like George Lucas' poor collaborative skills, or Janusz Kaminski as a DP. Those elements were my only issues with KotCS.

 

[jacobed]

The fridge was definitely classic Indy and it was bad ass. There's nothing bad about the raft scene because its also awesome but bringing in the plausibilty argument into Indiana Jones is stupid. Never did they say hey our movie is suppose to be realistic, no it's a fantasy adventure to is suppose to be fun which they all succeed in doing.

 

[Infinity9999x]

The Labeof swinging thing wasn't neded, but when I watched it again, it's not as bad as I remembered. Still not good, but not as bad.

I don't think anything will make me lessen my dislike of the monkey swinging scene. I actually liked Shia coming out and stating his dislike against it. It was just really, really stupid. It was a Disney channel cartoon-esque moment, with him leading moneky's to the attack.

The fridge thing wasn't that bad. That fit more with the Indy improbability factor from the old movies. The monkey thing was bad just because it was stupid.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

The difference between the raft incident and nuke survival is that while the former is ridiculously, ridiculously, ludicrously unlikely, people have survived that sort of thing before. A nuke, no one except those on the fringes of an explosion have ever survived, and Indy was closer to ground zero than safe-point.

Besides, bothy moments are pretty maligned by fans. And having Indy sirivive a nuke right at the beginning makes the rest of the danger quite mundane and unbelievable as a threat, better if oyu're gonna have it to have it near the end.

Supernatural bits are unrealistic of course, but they are justified in being supernatural, whereas Indy surviving the nuke and Mutt swinging faster than cars and swordfighting while doing the splits while moving while getting hit in the crotch while being attacked is very, very not.