The Dark Knight Inspiration from A Clockwork Orange

[Arkard]

Before I start let me just say I am a huge Kubrick fanboy so when I heard Ledger will use this movie as inspiration for the character of Joker I was extatic, it felt like a dream come true. I only hpe he filters it right so he wont simply do a copy of Alex, but I dont think that will ever be a threat. Nolan is a Kubrick fan as stated in a recent interview, so I think he will cut down LEdger if he goes too far with the inspiration, if that will even be a problem... OK, back to the topic.

What scenes or themes you think may be found in TDK (from ACO). My ideas are these:
- The Joker seriously hurting someone or killing him while singing a joyful song. Personally I would chose this "When you're a clown, noooooobody takes you seriously", and then he whacks someone with a crowbar. It would look good.
- Misleading the audience. Alex, though quite brutal at times, occasionaly seemed docile, unthreatening. This is what I want to see with the Joker. If we just see him and go "Yikes, this guy looks so evil and bastardly", it will take away all the fun from the character. I am hoping the Joker, in terms of looks and maybe actiosn in the begining, will be quite underestimated by the audience. Until he does something Joker-ish.

Your ideas?

 

[Darknightnomis]

Anything involing a little bit of the old "ultra-violence"!t:

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Before I start let me just say I am a huge Kubrick fanboy so when I heard Ledger will use this movie as inspiration for the character of Joker I was extatic, it felt like a dream come true. I only hpe he filters it right so he wont simply do a copy of Alex, but I dont think that will ever be a threat. Nolan is a Kubrick fan as stated in a recent interview, so I think he will cut down LEdger if he goes too far with the inspiration, if that will even be a problem... OK, back to the topic.

What scenes or themes you think may be found in TDK (from ACO). My ideas are these:
- The Joker seriously hurting someone or killing him while singing a joyful song. Personally I would chose this "When you're a clown, noooooobody takes you seriously", and then he whacks someone with a crowbar. It would look good.
- Misleading the audience. Alex, though quite brutal at times, occasionaly seemed docile, unthreatening. This is what I want to see with the Joker. If we just see him and go "Yikes, this guy looks so evil and bastardly", it will take away all the fun from the character. I am hoping the Joker, in terms of looks and maybe actiosn in the begining, will be quite underestimated by the audience. Until he does something Joker-ish.

Your ideas?

FTW! t:

 

[elorenishii386]

Anything involing a little bit of the old "ultra-violence"!t:

I just recently saw Clockwork orange for the first time recently and I loved it! I kept thinking that this would be a good inspiration for the movie.

 

[Miranda Fox]

- Misleading the audience. Alex, though quite brutal at times, occasionaly seemed docile, unthreatening. This is what I want to see with the Joker. If we just see him and go "Yikes, this guy looks so evil and bastardly", it will take away all the fun from the character. I am hoping the Joker, in terms of looks and maybe actiosn in the begining, will be quite underestimated by the audience. Until he does something Joker-ish.

Your ideas?

I picked that bit out because it's practically Nolan's trademark to mislead the audience. So yes, I think you're really onto something here.

 

[COMPO]

i've seen clockwork orange. Funniest bit had to be the 'singing in the rain' bit.

 

[Darknightnomis]

Let me say this about 'Clockwork Orange' in general, the entire movie that is, not Malcom McDowell's perfomance (which was outstanding).

When I was a teenager I heard a lot about this movie constanly from others, and I read in magazines and books on how groundbreaking and controversal it was when it first came out.

How violent is was and how it would inspire acts of violence in England and the U.S. (I think is was banned from videotaped in the U.K. till after kurbick's death) even when I got to college one of my instructors told me it was the "greatest movie ever made" and the "scariest movie ever made because it will proboly come true someday".

So in the late '80s I finally get to see the movie and was severly underwhelm by it. I didn't understand why there was so much furor over it and the content.

I had seen worse before. Al pacino's 'Scareface' in 1980 makes it look like an after school special.

Now mind you, I did see it for the first time 20 years after it first came out, so I may have been underwhelm becasue there have been more graphic violence in movies made after it and I had seen those. So maybe I was a litlle desensitized by the time I saw 'A Clockwork Orange'.

But the movie itself was a little predictable and boring at times. I knew Alex would go anti-violent after his "treatments", and then the people he attack would get back at him unitil his sudden "re-conversion" to his former self after getting beat up.

I fugure it out halfway through the movie. So I was dissapointed with the movie as a whole after the years of hype I heard about it.

However I had the total opposite reaction with "2001:a space oddessy. which I also didn't see till I was in college and it blew me away (I was on a Stanley Kubuick movie kick after he put out 'Full Metal Jacket')! Definatley one of the best movies ever made.

Anyway I just wanted to say that about 'A clockwork Orange'.

 

[Leon the Professional]

Before I start let me just say I am a huge Kubrick fanboy so when I heard Ledger will use this movie as inspiration for the character of Joker I was extatic, it felt like a dream come true. I only hpe he filters it right so he wont simply do a copy of Alex, but I dont think that will ever be a threat. Nolan is a Kubrick fan as stated in a recent interview, so I think he will cut down LEdger if he goes too far with the inspiration, if that will even be a problem... OK, back to the topic.

What scenes or themes you think may be found in TDK (from ACO). My ideas are these:
- The Joker seriously hurting someone or killing him while singing a joyful song. Personally I would chose this "When you're a clown, noooooobody takes you seriously", and then he whacks someone with a crowbar. It would look good.
- Misleading the audience. Alex, though quite brutal at times, occasionaly seemed docile, unthreatening. This is what I want to see with the Joker. If we just see him and go "Yikes, this guy looks so evil and bastardly", it will take away all the fun from the character. I am hoping the Joker, in terms of looks and maybe actiosn in the begining, will be quite underestimated by the audience. Until he does something Joker-ish.

Your ideas?

Joker dancing and singing a joyful song... while he rapes someone with a rubber bananna

 

[Miranda Fox]

Joker dancing and singing a joyful song... while he rapes someone with a rubber bananna

Dude, don't say that - somebody will like that.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Dude, don't say that - somebody will like that.

Yes. Me!t:

 

[Closerframe]

I hope he bananna rapes Rachel. While Batman has to watch...

 

[MaskedManJRK]

Before I start let me just say I am a huge Kubrick fanboy so when I heard Ledger will use this movie as inspiration for the character of Joker I was extatic, it felt like a dream come true. I only hpe he filters it right so he wont simply do a copy of Alex, but I dont think that will ever be a threat. Nolan is a Kubrick fan as stated in a recent interview, so I think he will cut down LEdger if he goes too far with the inspiration, if that will even be a problem... OK, back to the topic.

What scenes or themes you think may be found in TDK (from ACO). My ideas are these:
- The Joker seriously hurting someone or killing him while singing a joyful song. Personally I would chose this "When you're a clown, noooooobody takes you seriously", and then he whacks someone with a crowbar. It would look good.
- Misleading the audience. Alex, though quite brutal at times, occasionaly seemed docile, unthreatening. This is what I want to see with the Joker. If we just see him and go "Yikes, this guy looks so evil and bastardly", it will take away all the fun from the character. I am hoping the Joker, in terms of looks and maybe actiosn in the begining, will be quite underestimated by the audience. Until he does something Joker-ish.

Your ideas?

Actually, I got a better one:

Joker tying someone onto a chair and slicing him up with a machete, as he's singing, "Smile, Darn Ya Smile." t:

 

[Nepenthes]

I think it will be more of an attitude than actions.

Sorry if I'm stating the obvious,

 

[Castlewood]

Some of you need serious help.

 

[Castlewood]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XvydYaVuSc

Dude, THAT is the Joker. Holy CRAP!!!!

If Ledger portrays it like that... this will be AMAZING!!!!!

 

[Two-Face]

That was pretty sick in a movie sense, I don't mind seening that in TDK!

 

[Arkard]

A bit offtopic but:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsSx5NA6sXw
This is the stupid video that started the whole Crispin Glover fad over at the IMDB. Wanted to share it with you.

 

[thedarks0ldier]

How the hell could anyone want Crispin Glover for the Joker is beyond me after watching that video.

 

[titan101]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxrfVFBZWL4

if the joker has a gang in the movie , i'd imagine him doing something like this to them if they mess up in a mission or something ...

 

[Damiean Dark]

A clock work orange is highly overated. The poster above is totally right it got a lot of hype at the time but NOW it is dated pap and why do people think joker will be slicing people up while singing ect it aint gonna happen batman tdk will at the VERY most be a 15 film warner bros need the film to appeal to a wide audiance (as with most superhero films) for maximum profits which is their primary concern.

 

[Arkard]

If Casino Royale got away with busting a man's balls with a rope and all that crap I am kinda sure the TDK would get away with The Joker maiming someone while singing a joyful song. It could very well happen offscreen, with some shadows and all.

 

[titan101]

A clock work orange is highly overated.

" highly overrated " ?


alright , name ONE movie that's better.

 

[Octoberist]

A clock work orange is highly overated.

When it comes to fanboys, everything is overrated.

 

[Crooklyn]

" highly overrated " ?


alright , name ONE movie that's better.

Lol, while I don't think it's overrated, you're asking something that doesn't fit the movie you're talking about.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

If Casino Royale got away with busting a man's balls with a rope and all that crap I am kinda sure the TDK would get away with The Joker maiming someone while singing a joyful song. It could very well happen offscreen, with some shadows and all.

It wont. Batman, as a character, is way more closely associated and recognized by children then James Bond is.

For example; head over to Wal Mart or Target and observe how many kid products have Batman imagery, and then how many have James Bond imagery (virtually none).

Forget Joker being portrayed as violently on screen as Alex was in A Clockwork Orange. There's no way the studio will allow it.