The Dark Knight Intensity of Fight sequences in TDK!

[dark_b]

i still think that 90% that the reason why the fabrick is in the enw suit is because like a lot of fans said...the movement is better.

nolan likes to experiment IMO.

so i belive that in TDK there will be at least one fight where we will be able to see everything.

but fights like the one from the docs need to be edited like in BB.

 

[TheBat812]

My thoughts exactly.

I for one, really, really dug the Begins fight scenes. It was nice not to have a blatantly staged fight pandered to me for once, and, in a theatre, I actually did feel the chaos and fear that the fights created.

I did too. I thought they'd done an amazing job with the fights, and was surprised as hell that others didn't like it. There's nothing really elegant about teh way Batman fights in the comics, so why should there be here too?

 

[Darknightnomis]

"...over 50 percent of the general movie audience and comic book fans never liked the fighting of batman begins?"

How do YOU know that? Did you take an official poll?

I love the fight scenes in Batman begins and I know many more Batman fans who does also.

It conveyed the intesitivy, confusion and fiercness of the fights and flowed perfectly in the film. it's especially work becasue we see it from the criminal viepoint of how Batman attacks them.

You want fight scene that look like some choragraphed dance number then pop in 'BAtman and Robin' in the old DVd player.

 

[breyfogle_rules]

I loved the BB fights as well. Straight to the throat. Matt Damon is a silly human being. Batman is a God.

Though Saint is by far the most informed and compelling poster and I see his point as well. A change would be nice in TDK.

 

[Batman]

Does he know? Probably.

Should he care? **** no.

 

[bunk]

I'd like to think the fight scenes and Batman's style of fighting in general will evolve like everything else. Also, if the new suit really does allow for more movement, I would imagine Nolan would take advantage of that. Otherwise, why even bother?

 

[bunk]

I loved the BB fights as well. Straight to the throat. Matt Damon is a silly human being. Batman is a God.

Though Saint is by far the most informed and compelling poster and I see his point as well. A change would be nice in TDK.

Batman's the best hand to hand fighter in the western hemisphere at least .

 

[wikum]

i actually liked the way you couldn't get every detail of the fights on film. it looked really different. really new.

i for one hope they continue the trend.

 

[dark_b]

if i see a post where someone says that the reason whe didnt see the fighting is because it was realistic i will hunt you down and kick your ass.

 

[Gianakin_]

i actually liked the way you couldn't get every detail of the fights on film. it looked really different. really new.

i for one hope they continue the trend.

It indeed looked new. But new doesn't necessary mean good (look at Highlander 2). I personally didn't like it the fighting scenes, if not for any other reason, then because that style was repeated throughout the movie. If it was just for the docks scene, then I can see and applaud it (even the Arkham). But the prison in the beginning? Ra's? His goons after the "I can't beat 2 of your pawns?" line?
It didn't bug the hell out of me, but it did bug me.

 

[dark_b]

It indeed looked new. But new doesn't necessary mean good (look at Highlander 2). I personally didn't like it the fighting scenes, if not for any other reason, then because that style was repeated throughout the movie. If it was just for the docks scene, then I can see and applaud it (even the Arkham). But the prison in the beginning? Ra's? His goons after the "I can't beat 2 of your pawns?" line?
It didn't bug the hell out of me, but it did bug me.

i agree with this post.
the editing of fights was perfect forthe docs and the arkham scene. but in nooooooooooo way for hte prison and ra's.

 

[Rezzo]

I enjoyed the fight scenes in BB but that doesn´t mean they can´t be improved in TDK so would be nice to see some improved fighting sequences in TDK

 

[the_monk]

over 50 percent? did you do some poll as people were leaving the theatre?

why don't people get this? it's done intentionally. you're not supposed to see him. why does every action movie have to have these ridiculous slow-motion wire rigged action scenes where you have to see everything? i can't stand that.

nolan says on the dvd that he doesn't like that fight scenes have become like dancing. he even gave neeson that like "this is not a dance". he wants to show you what it's like to be in the middle of the fight. what's wrong with that?

 

[Crook]

Do yourself a favor and read the thread over. All the points you've addressed are non-existent when it's not relevant to what anyone here has said.

 

[the_monk]

Not sure if you're talking to me Drexx...but if you are, I'm not sure you're right about that. Darkknightnomis said virtually that same thing as I did. How does that make my points non-existent and not relevant?

And it's a pretty sweeping statement to say 50%. I think I have a right to say what I did when I disagree.

If you weren't talking to me...then just disregard what I said.

 

[dark_b]

well fact is that more people ahve a problem with the editing than with the fight style.

 

[Gianakin_]

Exactly. The fighting style is actually very good. When Nolan said he was tired of fights that looked more like dances, he was saying that as a reason he chose Kensei.
However, the editting and shooting decisions are a part of creating the illusion, the mystery. Respectable. What I don't get is where was the mystery in the prison? Or with Ra's?

 

[WormyT]

I hope he still uses KFM and still pulls people into the darkness.

But yeah I DO want Nolan to pull back a bit with the camera and not cut so much. On the KFM DVD feature you can see the stuntman doing a cool kick but the actual camera used was 2 feet away so as cool as it looked...it could have been way clearer and cooler had we seen the whole 360 degree spin.

 

[The Kid]

yeah the editing was just bad. it was like catwoman's editing. you can't say it was intended to look like crap

 

[Gianakin_]

edit: nevermind

 

[Cristo]

I think Joker should be able to hold his own.

I also think the fights in TDK should be like "District 13" more than anything...

 

[Infinity9999x]

I agree with what Dorky said. Nolan should take a piece out of Casino Royale's book, those fights were great. They were fast and brutal, just like Batman should be, but you could see what the heck was going on, which was nice.

 

[lujho]

Batman Begins had at least double the number of shots it should have. It's not just the action scenes, the whole film was edited that way. It's so disjointed.

Have a little restraint. Put some ****ing flow and elegance into the film - yes EVEN when the things happening in the scene aren't actually flowing or elegant. I'd love to see some shots lasting more than a minute. Nolan should watch Children of Men or some Kubrick or something. Or any film that wasn't edited by someone on speed.

Hand-held camera is fine too - doesn't need to be all crane and dolly shots, but for ****'s sake pull the camera back and let a shot go on longer than a few seconds now and then.

 

[Joker'sHenchman]

How did Nolan get the job of director. Did WB approach him or did he ask? How does that normally work? Is he even a huge Batman fan?

 

[Crook]

Not sure if you're talking to me Drexx...but if you are, I'm not sure you're right about that. Darkknightnomis said virtually that same thing as I did. How does that make my points non-existent and not relevant?

And it's a pretty sweeping statement to say 50%. I think I have a right to say what I did when I disagree.

If you weren't talking to me...then just disregard what I said.

Yeah, I was referring to you, but it also applies to anyone else. No one here is complaining about the fighting style, but rather the method of filming it. They're 2 completely different things.

Also, everyone here pretty much knows why Nolan filmed it that way. The point isn't lost, especially on a forum dedicated to this franchise. Some people just simply don't agree with the filming style. Doesn't have (at least in this thread) much to do with Keysi or whatnot.