The Dark Knight Intensity of Fight sequences in TDK!

[olorin0222]

Where's the cape?

 

[Darknightnomis]

Parden me, but I just think that it's completely ludicrous that they searched the world for a unique fighting style to be used in the new batman movie's, and then after all of their hard work, all of the fighting-choreography needed to pull these fight scenes off what do they do! They pan in the camera so damn close that you can't see **** of what's going on!... Look, I get what they were doing, but it IS ludicrous not to pan out so that we can see all the hard work they put in to creating these fight-scenes! I saw in the special features how they trained the fight-scenes, and this Keyishi style they went with is ****ing awesome!... But again, you can't see any of it so why bother?????

THIS IS NOT A DANCE!

That's why.

 

[superkong 500]

There is context to these films, you know. People seem to be hung up on the idea that "this isn't real life so stop trying to be practical, Nolan" idea. Batman didn't fight without a cape in Begins, no -- but he's got a new suit in this film. He's exploring new ways in how to make his job a heck of a lot more easier. I'm sure he can be forgiven for having at least one fight scene without the cape.

I mean, Begins was full of iconic shots. We've seen lots of iconic shots of Batman in the trailers and pictures and such like. Nolan won't be sacrificing the iconography or whatever; he's simply adding a bit of context to these films. He's trying to flesh this character out as much as possible.

and I understand I know there will be lots of great iconic shots but I just don't want them sacrificing the cape for more movility.
Yes i understand that within the context it makes for better storytelling and adds weight if you know what i mean. Iam sure he won't be capeless everytime he fights but anyways i have been very suportive of nolan's explanation of things and trying to ground this world in a heighten reality without sacrificing important visual aspects of the character(actually that's one of things I love most of nolan's approach to storytelling) but there are (to me atleast) certain things that shoudn't be tampered with. However we still don't know how it plays exactly into the context of the story so I can't say I will or will not like it.

 

[TheBatman072]

Christ. Where was all this cape-*****ing when the third trailer hit? Where, at the very beginning of it, he was...capeless.


Didn't hear all this crap then. Except for how awesome it was.

 

[Naite22]

THIS IS NOT A DANCE!

That's why.

That still doesn't justify that you can't see ****. This keyishi style they went with is still a style, and you can't see any of it... so that's disappointing to me.

 

[TheBatman072]

Maybe not, but the keyishi style they went with is still a style, and you can't see any of it... so that's disappointing to me.

Keysi.

 

[Captain Villa]

People, at my martial arts club, we are the UK headquarters for "Keysi" or KFM as it is known.

Andy & Justo, the founders (Seen on the BB DVD), have been working on TDK since its inception.

Fear not, combat is in.

http://www.keysikfm.com/darkknight.php

http://www.keysikfm.com

 

[Darknightnomis]

That still doesn't justify that you can't see ****. This keyishi style they went with is still a style, and you can't see any of it... so that's disappointing to me.

In all seriousness... it was just simply a matter of a directional decision on Nolan part to do so.

If you hadn't seen the extra's and known about how much effort it took to learn that specific fighting style and such, would you even care how much was shown?

Proboly not.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

^ I know what you mean, I just dont know how much ill like Batman without his cape.

 

[TheBatman072]

^ I know what you mean, I just dont know how much ill like Batman without his cape.

So...the only thing that helps you like Batman...is his cape.


That's...that's just great...

 

[Nathan]

He must hate Batman Beyond.

 

[Captain Villa]

In all seriousness... it was just simply a matter of a directional decision on Nolan part to do so.

If you hadn't seen the extra's and known about how much effort it took to learn that specific fighting style and such, would you even care how much was shown?

Proboly not.

Again, seeing Kesyi most days at my club, it is not a style at all. It is a martial art of its own. It is a style where the elbows and knees are prominant and punching and kicking is not.

Check the websites above.

 

[Mr. Superhero]

^ I know what you mean, I just dont know how much ill like Batman without his cape.

Hey, think yourself lucky you're not getting anything like this:

 

[Judson Caspian]

I also hope they don't change much. I like the way he fought in the first movie. It was realistic. When you fight against several people up-close, especially ones that are armed, you don't take your time to perform a beautiful roundhouse kick or other fancy Kung Fu moves. Like Ra's Al Guhl said, it's not a dance.

Well said, it's not a Jean-Claude Van Damme film.

You like Tales games? Nice.

 

[Darknightnomis]

The cape is a cool part of Batman look (he has the best one in superhero business) but going without for a sec is cool change up in his image.

 

[superkong 500]

^ I know what you mean, I just dont know how much ill like Batman without his cape.

Well you shoudn't worry thatmuch he will have his cape Iam sure most of the film. Heck he will always have his cape. Just i nsome scenes he will have it in his backpack. But he will have it and most likely it will be flowing while he moves most of the time.

 

[Darknightnomis]

Hey, think yourself lucky you're not getting anything like this:

ONE OF THE GREATEST AND MOST MEMORABLE SCENES IN BATMAN HISTORY!!!

Maybe if they bring Ras back for the 3rd movie we can get some of this.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Well you shoudn't worry thatmuch he will have his cape Iam sure most of the film. Heck he will always have his cape. Just i nsome scenes he will have it in his backpack. But he will have it and most likely it will be flowing while he moves most of the time.

Bruce's Ghost Mother Martha Wayne: "Now Brucey make sure to keep your capey in your backpack until you really need it now". lol

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Hey, think yourself lucky you're not getting anything like this:

Ya I guess I am lucky, what a sexy scene that would be mmmm hmmmm haha.

 

[JokerCam]

I always thought he was wearing a backpack because alfred always makes a packed lunch for brucey before he goes out to catch another villian lol

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

^ Lol

 

[AdmNelson]

My fav.

I *love* how Batman just dives at the ninja and takes him right off the railing -- it's fearless, and smacks of a pouncing leopard (which is how he should act.)

-- Admiral Nelson

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I *love* how Batman just dives at the ninja and takes him right off the railing -- it's fearless, and smacks of a pouncing leopard (which is how he should act.)

-- Admiral Nelson

That whole part in general I think is the most brutal we've seen a comic accurate Batman on screen. "It ends here" is one of the best lines ever, and the angry eyes he's givin Ra's is great, then he looks over and just brutally takes out the ninjas, pure batman awesomeness!!

 

[Rogzilla]

I never understood why people say they can't see what's going on. I can. From the first time I saw it I could follow the fights. Sure, they are done right in so you feel like you are part of the fight, to increase the energy of the scene but it was never done to the point where I couldn't follow the moves.

I don't WANT them to pull away from the fight. You loose so much like that. Unless they are doing fancy, excessive, will never work in real life style martial arts (I am looking at YOU Matrix movies) then there is no need to see exactly how one character is rotating his foot.

 

[AdmNelson]

...They pan in the camera so damn close that you can't see **** of what's going on!... Look, I get what they were doing, but it IS ludicrous not to pan out so that we can see all the hard work they put in to creating these fight-scenes! I saw in the special features how they trained the fight-scenes, and this Keyishi style they went with is ****ing awesome!... But again, you can't see any of it so why bother?????

A nitpick: you don't "pan a camera in."

A "pan" is a sideways move -- you pivot the camera about its nodal point to track something moving sideways across the screen. (It's also a slightly unnatural movement -- your own eyes don't "pan," they dart from place to place as you look around you.)

A "tilt" is a vertical move up and down.

To "truck in" or "truck out" is to move the camera towards or away from the subject.

To "track" is to have the camera following the subject, which can be a combination of all of the above.

What you really mean is, "they should've pulled the camera further out so we could see the action scenes better."

This anal-retentive bit of pedantic correction has been brought to you this Friday morning by,

-- Admiral Nelson