The Dark Knight Intensity of Fight sequences in TDK!

[The Shape]

Batman was definitely more brutal in TDK. You could see how much more powerful his blows were, and the fight scenes were much less muddled and clunky. He moved swiftly throughout the movie and it looked great.

 

[CleftAsunder]

Batman was definitely more brutal in TDK. You could see how much more powerful his blows were, and the fight scenes were much less muddled and clunky. He moved swiftly throughout the movie and it looked great.

Swift? Are you serious?
My grandmother could have dodged his moves and beat him in a race.

 

[The Shape]

Swift? Are you serious?
My grandmother could have dodged his moves and beat him in a race.

Ridiculous comment. The only reason he might appear fast to some people in Batman Begins is because every fight scene is cut up into milliseconds, where the action isn't visible. In TDK, Batman had a lot more fighting to do and every fight scene was an improvement over begins. You could actually sit back, see what was happening, and appreciae the fight choreography.

 

[Sawyer]

Batman brutalizing the s*** out of Joker in the interrogation room far surpassed any of the fight scenes in BB.

Hell, Batman slamming Jokers head into the table alone beats any fight scene in BB...

 

[CleftAsunder]

Ridiculous comment. The only reason he might appear fast to some people in Batman Begins is because every fight scene is cut up into milliseconds, where the action isn't visible. In TDK, Batman had a lot more fighting to do and every fight scene was an improvement over begins. You could actually sit back, see what was happening, and appreciae the fight choreography.

Sure it was an improvement but he was still slow.
At the end when he was "running" towards the bat pod I was cringing.

 

[The Shape]

Sure it was an improvement but he was still slow.
At the end when he was "running" towards the bat pod I was cringing.

...He was injured...

 

[CleftAsunder]

...He was injured...

Does that explain how slow he was in the rest of the movie?

 

[The Shape]

Does that explain how slow he was in the rest of the movie?

But...he wasn't slow in the rest of the movie? He look pretty damn quick in the fight scenes, taking out multiple targets swiftly, as I said before. In Hong Kong, in the club going after Maroni, in the construction site against the SWAT GUYS...Batman was kicking ass and wasn't close to being "slow".

However, he was slower in the beginning in the Begins suit.

 

[CleftAsunder]

But...he wasn't slow in the rest of the movie? He look pretty damn quick in the fight scenes, taking out multiple targets swiftly, as I said before. In Hong Kong, in the club going after Maroni, in the construction site against the SWAT GUYS...Batman was kicking ass and wasn't close to being "slow".

However, he was slower in the beginning in the Begins suit.

If you watch it again you'll notice that the hand to hand combat scenes are composed of quick shots, close angles, or have poor lighting.
I absolutely loved the movie but I'm not going to pretend that it was perfect. My only problem with it was the batsuit, which they did improve upon, but it still needs improvement.

From latinoreview, which pretty muc sums it up right:

"There are also a lot of hand to hand fight scenes, but they're poorly lit and edited and you really can't see a lot of what Batman is doing. I'm pretty sure it's because the suit Christian is wearing is about as flexible as Dr. Phil in a yoga class. I have no idea how the guy can even walk upright. It's addressed in the movie when Bruce tells Lucius he needs a lighter suit, but even with a new suit it still looks like he can't move."

 

[The Shape]

If you watch it again you'll notice that the hand to hand combat scenes are composed of quick shots, close angles, or have poor lighting.
I absolutely loved the movie but I'm not going to pretend that it was perfect. My only problem with it was the batsuit, which they did improve upon, but it still needs improvement.

From latinoreview, which pretty muc sums it up right:

"There are also a lot of hand to hand fight scenes, but they're poorly lit and edited and you really can't see a lot of what Batman is doing. I'm pretty sure it's because the suit Christian is wearing is about as flexible as Dr. Phil in a yoga class. I have no idea how the guy can even walk upright. It's addressed in the movie when Bruce tells Lucius he needs a lighter suit, but even with a new suit it still looks like he can't move."

I'm not going to pretend it was a perfect film, either, but the fight scenes were the least of the film's flaws and were definitely improved over Begins. To me, what you and the guy from Latino Review described are the fight scenes from Batman Begins, not The Dark Knight. The fights in TDK were pretty clear and visible.

 

[bunk]

no begins was better choreography but TDK was shot better

Yeah, I think so. The movements maybe had a little more flair in Begins. I really don't remember him kicking anyone in TDK. It seemed like all punches and forearms.

 

[The Shape]

Yeah, I think so. The movements maybe had a little more flair in Begins. I really don't remember him kicking anyone in TDK. It seemed like all punches and forearms.

I also disagree with this. How can you say the fight scenes had more flair and better choreography in Begins when you couldn't actually see what was happening?

 

[Golgo-13]

Yeah, I think so. The movements maybe had a little more flair in Begins. I really don't remember him kicking anyone in TDK. It seemed like all punches and forearms.

Your right. I thought i was the only one who noticed that, but he DIDN'T kick anyone in TDK. He did alot of punching and backhanding, though.

 

[badgonegood]

Is there not a suit they can make that's light but LOOKS durable for movie purposes?

 

[The Guard]

I don't think it's the suit. I think it's the actual style of the fight choreography. It's very point to point. It's an efficient fighting style, but it's very deliberate, and it doesn't look fast onscreen. Maybe because it's not, compared to a lot of other, showier styles.

 

[Cmill216]

How the heck is this even debatable???

 

[SalaciousVC]

For some reason the fight scene where Batman goes in the nightclub it reminded me of Batman Forever for some reason,but not in a bad way

 

[kyuubijavi1]

Lets see the only really good fight in BB was the training fight with Ducard

after that TDk completely owns in fighting

the first scene bending that gun barral was awesome, in this movie he was constantly fighting 5 or more guys. The difference between TDK and BB, was in BB he sat and waited in TDK he acted when he showed up taking out the fake batmen and gang's was awesome, when he was fighting in Maronies Bar sweet, the penthouse was amazing, and the final fight was just sick. He took out a whole swat team, Joker's goons & dog's plus The Joker in pretty much in 5 min's how can any one call him slow in that scene is just crazy. the only reason BB looked faster was cause it was cut every time he hit some one, so when tdk actually showed batman moving around he seemed slower and the experence made it seem more coreographed, like when he went to hong kong i love how he knocked out some one with a shot gun then turned expecting some one else to be waiting around. TDK completely destroys BB's fight scene's.

 

[Godman]

Lets see the only really good fight in BB was the training fight with Ducard

after that TDk completely owns in fighting

the first scene bending that gun barral was awesome, in this movie he was constantly fighting 5 or more guys. The difference between TDK and BB, was in BB he sat and waited in TDK he acted when he showed up taking out the fake batmen and gang's was awesome, when he was fighting in Maronies Bar sweet, the penthouse was amazing, and the final fight was just sick. He took out a whole swat team, Joker's goons & dog's plus The Joker in pretty much in 5 min's how can any one call him slow in that scene is just crazy. the only reason BB looked faster was cause it was cut every time he hit some one, so when tdk actually showed batman moving around he seemed slower and the experence made it seem more coreographed, like when he went to hong kong i love how he knocked out some one with a shot gun then turned expecting some one else to be waiting around. TDK completely destroys BB's fight scene's.

Actually I prefered the mystical darker take in begins than the straight in the view Batman who didn't use ninjitsu whatsoever but just made loud entrances and what not. There was a better take on Bats as a Ninja before he got too used to all the toys. I honestly missed the swoopin out of the dark and back into the shadows. In this he rarely ever left the lights and NEVER had the element of surprise. He just came thru with a hell of an entrance all the time. That was my only beef was that it's like everything Ras taught went out of the window and he became overly theatrical. He never through one kick which also bothered me. Got a lot of hurtings from non martial artists where as he took down the league Ninjas with no problems who were practically his equals.

Begins Batman would **** Jason Bourne but Dark Knight Bats would have a rough time against him.

Not enough ninjitsu nor acrobatics until the last scene

 

[Saint]

I thought the action was miles beyond Batman Begins. The fights were shot better and definitely showcased Batman's fighting style better, but more importantly they were more interesting. Batman simply acted more like Batman--he did things that were more impressive, more inventive. I especially enjoyed his assorted uses of the grapple gun; dragging the Batfake, dropping the clown-mask hostages, and my personal favourite: using the SWAT officer as an anchor.

There are just these things he does. Batman things. For example, when he glides into the construction site/abandoned building (whatever it was) and dives into the Joker goon (well, hostage, but you know what I mean). I loved that, as well as his glass-smashing entrance in Hong Kong. Also, I enjoyed the shot where he grapples his way up to the Joker, and kicks off the side of the wall on his way up. That shot was neat, and it's just these little things that contributed to Batman feeling more like Batman.

The action scenes were just more intelligently designed, in the end. Batman leaping the Tumbler to intercept the rocket was great, as was in introduction of the batpod and the way Batman flipped the truck. The Hong Kong sequence, the fight in the construction site/abandoned building, all great stuff. Very exciting.

 

[Godman]

I thought the action was miles beyond Batman Begins. The fights were shot better and definitely showcased Batman's fighting style better, but more importantly they were more interesting. Batman simply acted more like Batman--he did things that were more impressive, more inventive. I especially enjoyed his assorted uses of the grapple gun; dragging the Batfake, dropping the clown-mask hostages, and my personal favourite: using the SWAT officer as an anchor.

There are just these things he does. Batman things. For example, when he glides into the construction site/abandoned building (whatever it was) and dives into the Joker goon (well, hostage, but you know what I mean). I loved that, as well as his glass-smashing entrance in Hong Kong. Also, I enjoyed the shot where he grapples his way up to the Joker, and kicks off the side of the wall on his way up. That shot was neat, and it's just these little things that contributed to Batman feeling more like Batman.

The action scenes were just more intelligently designed, in the end. Batman leaping the Tumbler to intercept the rocket was great, as was in introduction of the batpod and the way Batman flipped the truck. The Hong Kong sequence, the fight in the construction site/abandoned building, all great stuff. Very exciting.

What bothered me is the american thugs gave batman more of a run than the hong kong ones???? Isn't that martial arts central and native land of BRUCE LEE, JET LI, DONNIE YEN? There should have been a great one on one where a guys test Batman and gets his ass handed to him just to prove his capabilities. I don't know but begins felt more vicious fighting wise all we needed were wider shots.

 

[Raptor2k]

What bothered me is the american thugs gave batman more of a run than the hong kong ones???? Isn't that martial arts central and native land of BRUCE LEE, JET LI, DONNIE YEN? There should have been a great one on one where a guys test Batman and gets his ass handed to him just to prove his capabilities. I don't know but begins felt more vicious fighting wise all we needed were wider shots.

Just because they're Chinese doesn't mean they're great fighters. Lol.

Begins was chopped up so it looked more intense, when it really wasn't.



Fully concur with your post Saint. We saw methods that were very Batman-like.

 

[Godman]

Just because they're Chinese doesn't mean they're great fighters. Lol.

Begins was chopped up so it looked more intense, when it really wasn't.



Fully concur with your post Saint. We saw methods that were very Batman-like.

The Triad, which is what it would be, hire very skilled fighters and nothing less. It is in their best interest to be deadly fighters and that's why it goes beyong ethnicity but what kind of guys and where.

 

[Raptor2k]

The Triad, which is what it would be, hire very skilled fighters and nothing less. It is in their best interest to be deadly fighters and that's why it goes beyong ethnicity but what kind of guys and where.

They intended to fully rely on their guns and didn't expect to be beaten up.

I like your idea of a special one on one match to test Batman's abilities, but as we know, this movie was cut down a lot and still is two hours and a half long.

 

[The Guard]

I did like Batman's more inventive approach to combat. Lau's men could have been a lot more skilled. I'll buy that. It would have been the perfect chance to have Batman utilize more "ninja" skills.