Interesting news from Comic-Con (Concerning Jean and Scott)

[WorthyStevens]

he said that james marsden's Superman Returns schedule had nothing to do with Cyclops being killed so early. he said they intended to kill off scott from the very beginning for its emotional impact, and to show that if jean would kill the man she loved then anybody was fair game.

Those lying bastards. "Oh no, it wasn't us who wanted to kill off Cyclops, it was all Fox who wanted him gone." Bull****.

but the studio said no we can't have too much Jean because this is Hugh Jackman and Halle Berry's movie.

I ****ing knew it. Screw Fox.

 

[ntcrawler]

Thats a stab in the heart man... after all the hard work she and james did, they were looking forward to exploring the relationship between Jean and Sco tt but did they get to do that!?! NO! I hate you Fox. -cries-

That does suck, yeah. Especially when the previous films set up alot of potential background stories and different sides of Scott and Jean. And of course the big question: why did she get off her plane and choose to die? Yes, at the end Prof X is right: she made a choice. But no explanation given as to WHY she made that choice. That could have been one of the subplots of the next film, to answer that question. But the way it was presented, that question became a moot point. "killing" off Scott and turning Jean into a monster, you really don't care anymore, do you?

There's always hope for the future though. All you gotta do is just ignore X3 and leap over it. Treat it as a bad nightmare that Scott was having. He dreamed that Jean came back as a monster and killed them all. THAT would be a fun plot twist!

 

[ntcrawler]

Those lying bastards. "Oh no, it wasn't us who wanted to kill off Cyclops, it was all Fox who wanted him gone." Bull****.

What emotional impact? Soon as we were over the tragedy of that scene and the betrayal of love and backstabbing that it implied, the only emotion left was rage!!!!

 

[god/devil]

This is utter bull. Do people always believe what they read on here and especially from a writer who has lied tonnes of times and from imb. If the studio loved halle so much they wouldn't of let her get screwed in the first two films, they do love hugh because he has proven that his character is a big draw for the x-movies so thats fair enough. People are so idiotic sometimes.

 

[thegameq]

Because FOX was involved in a genital-waving contest with WB. X_men vs Superman Returns. They wanted to have their movie released before SR for the sake of being first to rack in the cash.

LOL!

 

[WorthyStevens]

This is utter bull. Do people always believe what they read on here and especially from a writer who has lied tonnes of times and from imb. If the studio loved halle so much they wouldn't of let her get screwed in the first two films, they do love hugh because he has proven that his character is a big draw for the x-movies so thats fair enough. People are so idiotic sometimes.

Have you not seen how Halle's face and name are both all over this movie and advertisements for it, along with Hugh?

 

[ntcrawler]

Jean should and could have been far more prominent in the film. She could have had some kind of confrontation with Storm (whos like a sister) and some interaction with her parents just like in the comic.

I also feel that there should have been a Phoenix bird and a Phoenix rise sequence from the lake.*sighs*

I absolutely agree with this. Especially since she's supposed to be one of the main characters in a film that's supposed to be about her. I agree with the special effects too. There is no justifiable explanation for suddenly leaving out the fire effects which were seen as an iherent part of her powers in X2.

Furthermore, it would have been nice to portray her not as a monster but as a friend and family member in trouble who needs to be saved. Maybe if the rest of the team actually made a more compassionate approach to try and reach out to her instead of just Xavier trying to smother her and throw her into a cage, things wouldn't turn out as bad as they did. Let's face it, that was one half-assed rescue attempt. I won't even get into the potential of using the cure. According to an article I read recently, when Claremont was writing up the original novelization for X3, he intended for Jean to have been cured at the end. Either he had a change of heart or had to follow the script more closely which turned it into her death.
Now I know what you're all thinking, that simply Curing Jean would have been cheesy. But would it really have been? I mean it's so obvious. THe ground was literally littered with cure syringes at that point. It worked against Magneto. So why the sudden change of heart to kill Jean instead? Some say it's because the Phoenix persona wouldn't have allowed her to be cured, but I disagree with this. It's an arbitrary argument. You can say it one one, I can say it another with equal weight. If she allowed herself to be killed, she would have allowed herself to bo cured. It's really all up to the writers. They shoced a serious lack of imagination and character development with film. They just intended certain characters to "die" in this film for the emotional impact, and were willing to do whatever it took for the final result to be those deaths, no matter how unlikely, unimaginagive, or ridiculous the chain of events that led to those deaths.

These guys literally ran the saga into a wall and most of the major chars into a dead end. It sounds suspicious, doesn't it? Like a thinly veiled excuse to give us spinoffs and claim that nothing more can be done with the main cast. If this is what they consider compressing the story, then it's ridiculous. 1/2 the cast wiped out or removed in 3 episodes. At this rate they can't make more than 5 films. There won't be anyone left alive!!!

 

[WorthyStevens]

What emotional impact? Soon as we were over the tragedy of that scene and the betrayal of love and backstabbing that it implied, the only emotion left was rage!!!!

I didn't feel any kind of impact from that scene whatsoever. It was just a scene to kick Cyclops out of the franchise.

 

[TrailerCues]

So we are still left in the dark eh ? Figures, one writer says one thing & the other something else. How nice

 

[WorthyStevens]

But whatever, next year Spider-Man 3 will show Fox that a pretty-looking movie can also have depth and still make a huge amount of money.

 

[TrailerCues]

I didn't feel any kind of impact from that scene whatsoever.

Exactly & I highly doubt that even the non comic book fans did not feel any impact

Excuses, excuses covering their own asses

 

[ntcrawler]

I didn't feel any kind of impact from that scene whatsoever. It was just a scene to kick Cyclops out of the franchise.

Bingo. As far as the scene itself I didn't feel any emotional impact either. It was so preposterous it couldn't have been believed anyways. That and it literally looked like the camera suddenly ran out of film, and next thing you see is Xavier screaming in pain. Was he screaming because the scene was so bad?

 

[Roma]

Damn you FOX !!!!

*shakes angry fist*

 

[N_z0]

I guess it's for the better that they're not planning an X-men 4 especially if it's gonna be another Hugh/Halle vehicle, where there's no Cyclops, Jean, Rogue, and Patrick Stewart.

If that's the case I'm for a reboot 15 years down the road.

 

[ntcrawler]

But whatever, next year Spider-Man 3 will show Fox that a pretty-looking movie can also have depth and still make a huge amount of money.

That's because from the beginning Sony knew they had a winner on their hands and trusted Raimi to do a good job. Unlike FOX they didn't dip their hands in it and try to make it go in an unnatural direction or mess it up. They were best when it comes to the philosophy "if it's not broken, don't mess with it" and "don't kill the golden goose". UNfortunately the folks at FOX don't heed these philosophies, and X3 shows it.

 

[gap5ewl]

.....you know x3 wasnt exactly a bad film it just had some flaws that the general public could care less about but comic book fans make a huge deal of it. all in all though, with all the constraints and controversy, it was a pretty good film not as good as x2 though but still enjoyable. It felt more comic book like also to me. Fox are *****es.Why all the hating to cyclops?? I hope he gets a good role in X4. I guess that depends on how big Marsden's career will get...

 

[The Ones]

My friend, whos a real comic book nut (who correctly lukes X-2 better) said he'd rather see Wolverine as Jean's saviour than Cyclops.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Oh really? ^^ lol

 

[WorthyStevens]

My friend, whos a real comic book nut (who correctly lukes X-2 better) said he'd rather see Wolverine as Jean's saviour than Cyclops.

You must kill him now.

 

[ntcrawler]

You must kill him now.

Let Scott have him instead.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Well Scott is here...so can I?

 

[ntcrawler]

Well Scott is here...so can I?

All yours

I can't imagine any other movie in recent history that has angered and divided the fan community as much as this one did. That should clearly send a signal to FOX. Unfortunately, since they only consider profit and hype, the fact that this movie made as much money as it did (and made more than X2) probably tells them that they did the right thing and it's obvious that we liked what we saw and demand more of the same.

[shakes head]

 

[triplefive]

Well, it HAS sort of been implied that Logan is Jean's savior in the comics.

Yes, I'm mad that they killed/"killed" Cyclops, but rabbling about it is not going to do anything unless one of us has a hundred million dollars. The movie made a TON of money the way it was, and you know the execs are patting themselves on the back for making the choices that they made.

The way they've written it from the beginning, Cyclops has been made wussy and bratty compared to the heroic Wolverine -- so long as you don't know any background on the characters, that is what you are likely to believe. The non-comic fans I know didn't care that Cyclops died, and that's how the studio planned it.

They should just add a IV to the end of the Wolverine movie title.

 

[YJ1]

Zak said Fox didn't want Cyclops in the movie period. Simon says the choice to cut Cyclops was made for story purposes. Which was it?

Don't these guys think that fans pay attention? I'd take everything Simon says with a grain of salt. Simon thinks that covering his ass and placating fans is some form of good PR but he never thinks about the consequences down the road. His question and answer session pre-release over at X-Verse is frustrating if you go back and read his answers. I liked X3 but it's clear that Rogue and Colossus don't "kick butt" like he often claimed. There are dozens of baffling answers that he clearly knew were misleading. Was was the purpose of that strategy?

Now, I say he's making Fox a scapegoat because he actually cares what whinny fans think. This guy should run for office somewhere. He's starting to give off Bill Clinton type slime.

 

[LMason]

I think you might want to listen the podcast again. That doesn't sound like guys that are schmoozing - genuine answers there. Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn both say it was their choice to bring him back and kill him, once it was determined that they could bring him back at all. So...Cyclops was always going to be very small (or non existent), and it was Simon and Zak's choice to kill him the way they did.

I think we want to wait for the podcast to hit ITunes of the Creative Screening blog.