Interesting news from Comic-Con (Concerning Jean and Scott)

[The Ones]

Why couldnt they have killed him at the end? Fan's are happy got the majority of the film and Fox is happy he's dead.

 

[LMason]

Listen to Kinberg and Penn at the 46 minute mark of Jeff Goldsmith's podcast. They basically lay out how the Cyclops writing came to be, combo of the two of them and studio demands.

 

[Mary]

Ohh...i wanted Anna in the final battle...i can't believe it!!!

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Fox made a huge f***ing mistake.

 

[oneteen]

Friggin FOX and their perception of what X-men should be. I'm actually starting to feel bad for the writers now that I see how much restriction they had.

 

[Uncanny]

Why does Fox want Cyclops out of the X-Men movies so bad?

In the start of this movie it looked like Cyclops could have did a lot in this movie.

His Optic Beam in the movies seem like they have downplayed how powerful it is.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Fox will never learn.

 

[silentforce3]

I cannot beleive they had the nerve to pretend that X3 was hugh and Halle's movie. X1 & X2 were Famke and Hugh's movies. they had most of the lines and screentime. Halle and James got nothing especially Halle. People are still saying she wanted to be the leading lady, I don't recall Storm taking over S**t.
all fans did was complain to Halle about her sucking for in the first two then she asks to say more and they talk some more. She can't win. Can you make up your minds? I also don't think it is Halle's fault she is more famous than Famke, at least in America.

 

[ntcrawler]

Why does Fox want Cyclops out of the X-Men movies so bad?

Because he wasn't seen as being a "sexy" character. Wolverine was.

In the start of this movie it looked like Cyclops could have did a lot in this movie.

Yes he could. He could have done ALOT to save the day in X3.

His Optic Beam in the movies seem like they have downplayed how powerful it is.

there's at least 10 other aspects of Scott and story ideas that were started but either ignored or never completed in X3.

 

[ntcrawler]

all fans did was complain to Halle about her sucking for in the first two then she asks to say more and they talk some more. She can't win. Can you make up your minds? I also don't think it is Halle's fault she is more famous than Famke, at least in America.

Fame should have nothing to do with it. Just as the characters learn to share the effort and rewards and work like a team, so should the cast members.

 

[lancr]

Well, it HAS sort of been implied that Logan is Jean's true love/savior in the comics.

It has, huh? And what comics would that be, exactly? I didn't read X Men The End. Was it there? Claremont wrote that and I know he was involved in much of the post 1986 Logan/Jean tension. Not that any of it says or implies that Logan is Jean's "true love."

It sure as hell isn't in any comic Jean Grey was in from 1963-2003.
I know because I've read them all.

 

[triplefive]

Emma (EDIT: implies) it to Scott... I want to say in New X-Men but I'm not sure. Astonishing?

All my comics are packed away in the garage right now so if anyone can help me out that would be great.

But at least in recent history, Logan killed her to save her from agony when they were headed to the sun at the end of Planet X, and she went to Logan to kill her again in Endsong.

I can pretty much guarantee that it happened after 2001.


EDIT: Until I can source it, I retract it.

 

[PoSeiDon]

he said that it was no accident that Jean Grey had no dialogue in the last 45 minutes of the movie. That was totally due to the studio demands. Kinberg and Zak Penn, the other writer, absolutely wanted to incorporate more Jean/Phoenix stuff. but the studio said no we can't have too much Jean because this is Hugh Jackman and Halle Berry's movie


ill take all that with a grain of salt.

 

[ntcrawler]

But at least in recent history, Logan killed her to save her from agony when they were headed to the sun at the end of Planet X, and she went to Logan to kill her again in Endsong.

Hmm, now honestly I can't see that as being an expression of love / being saved. If she didn't go to Scott because she knew Scott would try anything else other than killing her, then to me that would be a better example of true love / being saved. Whatever happened to hope and faith?

 

[triplefive]

Hmm, now honestly I can't see that as being an expression of love / being saved. If she didn't go to Scott because she knew Scott would try anything else other than killing her, then to me that would be a better example of true love / being saved. Whatever happened to hope and faith?

I don't disagree with you. I'm not saying that things can't be interpreted in different ways, but Logan's the one doing "what needs to be done" or whatever. I'm just using it as an example of how they might want us to think that Logan is her savior. The writers just seem to make it so he's always around. At the end of Here Comes Tomorrow, he was the one reminding her of who she used to be, etc. (Granted, Scott had probably been dead for like 100 years)

 

[ntcrawler]

but Logan's the one doing "what needs to be done" or whatever.

Yeah good point. He can do those ugly but necessary things that others can't.

I'm just using it as an example of how they might want us to think that Logan is her savior. The writers just seem to make it so he's always around. At the end of Here Comes Tomorrow, he was the one reminding her of who she used to be, etc. (Granted, Scott had probably been dead for like 100 years)

I noticed that as well. Even at times when he's not the main hero, he's usually there to provide some witty dialogue which gives the hero some wisdom or insight to save the day. In Grail, when Jean had her final, ultimate crisis and wanted to evolve into something beyond humanly reachable, Logan told her off and pointed out what a coward she was for running away, among other things. It wasn't enough to bring her back, but it froze her in place, out of confusion and guilt for what she was about to do, giving Scott a chance to chase her down and catch her.

But they really need to stop dying like this and give living a chance

 

[Hulkster]

After reading this I think there is no hope of Cyclops coming back.

 

[ntcrawler]

After reading this I think there is no hope of Cyclops coming back.

It's not impossible. If fan mobilization managed to fix the Batman franchise, they can fix this too.

It's been fairly well established that Scott didn't die in X3. The only trick is to put together a well written story showing his comeback. Something more creative than him just knocking on the door of the Xavier school one day.

Unfortunately, we're dealing with powers who are clearly not fan-friendly when it comes to the X-men franchise, so it won't be easy.

 

[oneteen]

I think the reason they killed of Cyclops would be mostly because of the number of characters and their screen time. FOX probably thought Cyclops was a pretty useless character and wanted to get rid of him so they could focus more or Wolverine and Storm. It still ticks me off that the movie was short...

 

[ntcrawler]

I think the reason they killed of Cyclops would be mostly because of the number of characters and their screen time. FOX probably thought Cyclops was a pretty useless character and wanted to get rid of him so they could focus more or Wolverine and Storm. It still ticks me off that the movie was short...

LastSunrise1981 was right. We're not going to give up, buddy. Not after this. This was our breaking point. X3 is where the fans draw the line.

 

[american psycho]

if they ever did an x4 and could start again, i think there would be a perfect way to bring back cyclops and introduce a villain in mister sinister. sinister finds a nearly dead scott in the woods and brings him back to health. scott is obviously pissed because not only is jean dead, but nobody gave a crap that he was missing in the first place. blah blah blah, i'll think of something later.

 

[ntcrawler]

if they ever did an x4 and could start again, i think there would be a perfect way to bring back cyclops and introduce a villain in mister sinister. sinister finds a nearly dead scott in the woods and brings him back to health. scott is obviously pissed because not only is jean dead, but nobody gave a crap that he was missing in the first place. blah blah blah, i'll think of something later.

Several other people suggested that idea. Bishop2 is working on an excellent story along those lines, where Scott's brother steps inte the picture, berates everyone for the pathetic attempt they made at looking for him, and is instrumental in finding Scott and bringing him back.

I heard other people suggest the Sinister-finds-Scott-in-the-woods story, but there's a major problem with this, namely how would Nathaniel Essex possibly know that Scott of all people was at that spot? Unless you have him follow Scott across the country from Westchester, NY to Alberta? It just doesn't seem likely. A better idea might be for the two of them to run into each other once Scott returns back home.

 

[Hulkster]

It's not impossible. If fan mobilization managed to fix the Batman franchise, they can fix this too.

It's been fairly well established that Scott didn't die in X3. The only trick is to put together a well written story showing his comeback. Something more creative than him just knocking on the door of the Xavier school one day.

Unfortunately, we're dealing with powers who are clearly not fan-friendly when it comes to the X-men franchise, so it won't be easy.

I still have 1% hope that Cyclops will comeback.

But If they ever make an X4, the only chance Cyclops got to have a bigger role is if Hugh Jackman & Halle Berry have an accident and coudn't do another X-film.

 

[Cyma]

I heard other people suggest the Sinister-finds-Scott-in-the-woods story, but there's a major problem with this, namely how would Nathaniel Essex possibly know that Scott of all people was at that spot?

[FONT=&quot]He is Mr. Sinister that’s how! He is crazy enough to have his mutant lackeys follow Scott around [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Plus Sinister had some sort of fascination with Scott since he was a kid.[/FONT]

 

[ntcrawler]

I still have 1% hope that Cyclops will comeback.

But If they ever make an X4, the only chance Cyclops got to have a bigger role is if Hugh Jackman & Halle Berry have an accident and coudn't do another X-film.

Well for the sake of plot they could be sent on an extended vacation to Genosha, very very far away from the rest of the plot