Comics Interesting way for Storm or Iceman to fight

[javon]

I get your point Cyclops, but i don't think us storm fans (on this thread) started it. He was just saying its an interseting way and all of a sudden people started saying iceman could do it better then of course our storm fans out there will come runnin'. So i think its best to just not say who could do what faster (not blaming anyone). And i really didn't know about storm controling the water that much (i knew a LITTLE) until i looked it up.

 

[javon]

And heres from X-men unlimted (2nd series) #6:

Storm knows a thing or two about hostile atmospheres and tries to stand on her legs. Kitty compliments Ororo on that. Storm was just realizing something. At first, sinking beneath the waves, watching the light dim to nothing, Storm felt like she was being buried alive. But Storm came to the conclusion that there isn’t any stone or earth out there, just liquid atmosphere.
Of course, Sage concludes. Ocean currents and wind currents aren’t so much different from each other. They are both driven by convection patterns and pressure differentials, which means that the jet stream and the Mid-Atlantic current are practically the same thing! And if such winds are in Storm’s commands, she can do anything with them! Storm manipulates the ocean patterns and succeeds to levitate the X-Plane up.

( Now please remember that im not trying 2 say that iceman can't do this stuff, im just posting this for the storm fans who didn't know.)

 

[ProfeZZor X]

This is the kind of stuff that gets people highly annoyed with Storm... it really is. All these endless and pointless debates on whether or not she can do anything she wants with ease with her powers or whether or not they have limits. Jeez o man almighty, just give it a jumbo-sized rest already, huh?

I agree. Somehow, it always turns into an Iceman vs. Storm debate. And I for one, am a hardcore Iceman fan. So naturally I'll defend his abilities at whatever cost.

If Storm can do everything Iceman can do and then some, then they would have gotten rid of Iceman a long time ago, shipped him off to another team or something. As it stands, I really find it hard to believe that Storm's psionic control over natural weather patterns allows her the ability to control water and ice the way Iceman can, but whatever.

I will say this though: if they ever brought Hydro-man to the big screen in Spider-man 4, I'd love to see him do some of those abilities.

 

[javon]

If thats the case then their shouldn't be any debate thread. And it isn't just the storm fans, some of the iceman fans say stuff that will start a debate as well.

 

[toya thegr8]

This is the kind of stuff that gets people highly annoyed with Storm... it really is.

I think you hate when Storm fans exaggerate her control of her powers, not Storm. At least thats what I think you going with..no offence but to hate a character based on its fan behaviour is..

I don't think Storm's control is like presented by others on this thread when it comes to water and ice. I always find that Storm debates arise mainly due to the fact that her power is very versatile. So many can twist the basics of her mutation to fit a situation ie. fighting Iceman.

But we all know the secret of the internet: people like to quarrel on the net, its a proven fact. angry people on the internet is better than angry people on the streets though. i blasphmer you not.

 

[Valechan]

What many of you seem to forget is that Iceman has unlimited POTENTIAL, that means that he's not there. He doesn't have unlimited power, he has unlimited potential, he has the potential but he's not even in the shadow of unlimited power. Having that in mind, water conducts electricity. A nice little lightning would be more than enough to get rid of the Iceman. If that doesn't work, she just needs to deplete the area of moisture, forcing him to evaporate, thus die. It's quite simple. All Bobby can do nowaydays is create a nice big wall of ice in seconds, but Ororo can conjure lightning in the blink of an eye.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

What many of you seem to forget is that Iceman has unlimited POTENTIAL, that means that he's not there. He doesn't have unlimited power, he has unlimited potential, he has the potential but he's not even in the shadow of unlimited power. Having that in mind, water conducts electricity. A nice little lightning would be more than enough to get rid of the Iceman. If that doesn't work, she just needs to deplete the area of moisture, forcing him to evaporate, thus die. It's quite simple. All Bobby can do nowaydays is create a nice big wall of ice in seconds, but Ororo can conjure lightning in the blink of an eye.

Here we go again.... Perpetuating the arguement all over again. Well enough should have been left alone. And it doesn't matter if he has, had, or can get potential, or unlimited power. Most of us well informed Iceman fans know what his story is, and know that he wouldn't stand there to allow Storm to attack him. Besides, his body is omni-potent. He's been shot, blown up, liquified, and vaporized, so there's nothing a little lightning can do to make Storm believe she's killed him. Remember, in ice form he's invulnerable, and can survive as a drop of water.... So please, let it go (Storm fans).

 

[Valechan]

No he can't, if he is completely vaporized, he can't survive. Ororo can deplete the entire moisture of the air, if there is no water, how can he survive??? He has been knocked out even in his ice form, so he's not invulnerable as you say he is. The first time his chest was shattered he was completely unconscious until she woke him... If she hurls lightning she can hurt him enough to devoid all moisture from the environment, forcing him to evaporate and become a cloud... it's quite simple.

 

[HandOfFate]

I'm still not convinced that Storm can conjur up ice faster than Iceman. That instance may have occurred in the comic, but I find it extremely difficult to believe that the ice she created came out of thin air, and instantly froze, let alone HOLD Colossus.

Read Uncanny X-Men Annual 6, if you don’t believe me. I could also scan it for you.

No one said anything about Emma controlling water. I was saying that Iceman defeated a powerful telepath by freezing the blood to her brain.

I’m not even going to get into how many telepaths Storm has defeated.

So you mean to say Storm can control the way clouds are shaped and what they do?

Yes, read Uncanny X-Men 472 and Xtreme X-Men 43

If that's the case, you're also saying that she can freeze that cloud into a solid block of ice, and have it crash down to earth.

We called it hail in my area .

Well, from what the other member here mentioned (Javon) in that brief paragraph, it looks like the water was running in the direction of the current. Or, by natural gravity. Not through Storm's intervention of channelling of water to a specific area.

Read the books

What the heck are you talking about? Iceman.... CREATES AND CONTROLS ICE!! That is not limited to "pre-existing" ice in remote parts of the world.... Or other icy worlds/moons, which he could theoretically survive on.

Okay let me see if I can simplify this. Could Iceman levitate an ice cube out of the freezer?

So now Storm has a omni-universal force field to block any kind of attack? Dr. Reyes has a force field, Cannonball has a force field, and Juggernaut has a personal force field. All effective against personal attacks, high velocity speeds, projectiles and harmful energy sources... Storm being able to block energy attacks (being frozen from within) is totally new to me. Does that mean that she can block mental attacks from telepaths too?

All I’m going to say is that Storm is powerful enough to make a force field/pressure dome which is strong enough to cut through a mountain and yes she has block/repel mental attacks from the White Queen.

ProfeZZor X,

Here the thing about me, if you post something that goes against what has been published in the comic then I’m going to correct you. Most of the time, when I’m debating or having a discussion with somebody, I try to back up my statements with actual facts from the comic. I’m not doing this with any malice or fanboyism at all so please do not take it that way.

 

[Aptman]

No he can't, if he is completely vaporized, he can't survive. Ororo can deplete the entire moisture of the air, if there is no water, how can he survive??? He has been knocked out even in his ice form, so he's not invulnerable as you say he is. The first time his chest was shattered he was completely unconscious until she woke him... If she hurls lightning she can hurt him enough to devoid all moisture from the environment, forcing him to evaporate and become a cloud... it's quite simple.

What is going on! People, this thread wasn't made as a weather goddess vs. Iceman thread... All the guy wanted to know was if other people thought it would be cool if Iceman or her would use their power like this...not against each other...
She can control the weather, and writers have used that to allow her to do just about everything, and Iceman can survive being vaporized. They're aren't ever going to fight one on one without some sort of special circumstance that could be argued as hindering the loser just enough to be beaten...They both have a whole lot of power...whatever...move on.

 

[Valechan]

I thought this was a Storm vs Iceman thread... it certainly looked like that when I entered.

About the similarity of their powers...

X-Men 48 people, Iceman himself asks Ororo to coach him in the use of his powers, admitting they are too similar and admitting her control is far better than his. That should end all discussions.

If not, Uncanny 149, Black Sun 2, excelent proof that Ororo can freeze and entire area in the blink of an eye. There has got to be more though.

And HandOfFate, thanks a lot for that X-Men Unlimited 39 quote. I had stopped buying Unlimited with issue 33, after this, I already ordered issue 39 and it will be on my hands by the end of the month. Thanks a lot for that

 

[ProfeZZor X]

No he can't, if he is completely vaporized, he can't survive. Ororo can deplete the entire moisture of the air, if there is no water, how can he survive??? .

You obviously don't consider the laws of physics do you. Storm CANNOT disintegrate water. It's impossible to make it NOT EXIST. Water can be evaporated, but not completely destroyed. The hydrogen and oxogen molecules still exist, they just aren't combined to make up the composition of water. Still, it has not been proven that Storm can control water on the molecular level. Even so, she can't control him even if he was in liquid form. Remember, he has drained the bodily fluid from beings before. If you honestly think she's immune to this because she's immune to weather related attacks, you're beyond naive.

He has been knocked out even in his ice form, so he's not invulnerable as you say he is. The first time his chest was shattered he was completely unconscious until she woke him....

Writers are the cause of him being so vulnerable. Out of all the original X-Men, who has had the least amount of success?... Iceman. And for your information, Storm just happened to be the first of the four (Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm & Iceman) to wake up, in that strange place, so naturally she's going to wake her team mates up. And in case you didn't notice, he wasn't dead even with that gaping hole in his chest. He still managed to fight off Onslaught's herald, Post.

If she hurls lightning she can hurt him enough to devoid all moisture from the environment, forcing him to evaporate and become a cloud... it's quite simple.

Why do I bother repeating myself to people that claim to be X-men fans, who don't pay attention to the comics they claim to emmulse themselves in. Iceman was evaporated by 5 Sentinels in the story arc X-Men Forever. He then discovered that he can be in more than one place at a time, and can travel at high rates of speed. Also, have you considered that if she evaporated him into a cloud, he could solidify himself into a gigantic ice "cloud/ball", and crush her.

 

[Valechan]

Sigh... X-Men Forever... that ICEMAN was FUTURE ICEMAN, with no inhibitions at all, hardly 616 regular Iceman... Even if 616's mind was in that body, it's not 616's body. He has the POTENTIAL to have those abilites, but he doesn't have them yet. If he dies tomorrow he will never get there.

If Ororo created a very hostile environment, much like the Sahara, Bobby would melt and die. If you don't like that death, let's go with a much simpler one, she creates a hurricane and hurls him off to space. He can't survive in space can't he??? (Heck I think he never even went out to space).

The CLOSEST we had to a fight between this two was in Black Panther 7, during the HOM (and no, HOM was not an alternate reality, it was reality altered which is different). In that panel, Ororo easily counterattacked his ice with no real effort. Pity Sunfire came in and melted him into nothingness.

And again, X-Men 48 dude, Iceman himself says "Oh my beautiful goddess... can you help this paltry mutant with the worst codename ever to better understand how to control my powers which are a lame imitation of yours?" (or something like that), and Ororo takes pity on him and says yes. HE ADMITTED HE WAS NOTHING COMPARED TO HER, HE WENT TO HER FOR HELP. Simple, innit?

And blaming the writers for a character's faults?? I invented that my friend. No fair using it on me...

 

[ProfeZZor X]

I’m not even going to get into how many telepaths Storm has defeated.

Entertain me...

Okay let me see if I can simplify this. Could Iceman levitate an ice cube out of the freezer?

Yes... He can even reshape the composition of that one ice cube into something else... Say, a house fly made of ice. AND, he can animate it by rapidly freezing and unfreezing the ice, like an artist using multiple pages to draw an animated character. Read Uncanny #416-#420.

All I’m going to say is that Storm is powerful enough to make a force field/pressure dome which is strong enough to cut through a mountain and yes she has block/repel mental attacks from the White Queen.

Is she strong enough to block the raw, unstoppable strength of the Juggernaut? If so great, because Iceman has defeated him before. As with Emma Frost, David Haller, and a couple of others.

Here the thing about me, if you post something that goes against what has been published in the comic then I’m going to correct you. Most of the time, when I’m debating or having a discussion with somebody, I try to back up my statements with actual facts from the comic. I’m not doing this with any malice or fanboyism at all so please do not take it that way.

Actually, everything I've proclaimed HAS BEEN published in the comics at some point or another. Whether it's in the current books, or 20 years ago, it HAS HAPPENED TO ICEMAN. In some cases, I have even followed my Iceman fact statements with issue numbers or story arc references. So there's very little about Iceman you can correct me on. I can guarantee you on that..

 

[ProfeZZor X]

Sigh... X-Men Forever... that ICEMAN was FUTURE ICEMAN, with no inhibitions at all, hardly 616 regular Iceman... Even if 616's mind was in that body, it's not 616's body. He has the POTENTIAL to have those abilites, but he doesn't have them yet. If he dies tomorrow he will never get there.

If Ororo created a very hostile environment, much like the Sahara, Bobby would melt and die. If you don't like that death, let's go with a much simpler one, she creates a hurricane and hurls him off to space. He can't survive in space can't he??? (Heck I think he never even went out to space).
And blaming the writers for a character's faults?? I invented that my friend. No fair using it on me...

1) That is actually the current Iceman, because he STILL experienced those things, managed to discorporate himself into mist, freeze Prosh (an entire spaceship), and eventually returned to the X-Men (Wolverine, Chamber, Angel, Nightcrawler). Even had a conversation about his experience with Jean at the breakfast table a couple of days/weeks later. Nothing has changed, other than that secondary mutation "mistake", and current team members.

2) When was the last time you read Iceman's original bio? He can create ice, even in the desert. And what part of the concept of OMEGA MUTANT don't you understand? Do you really think it's that easy to Kill Jean or any of the other omega class mutants? It would be very difficult (not impossible) to kill him. He's the embodiment of ALL FORMS of moisture. Even if he's evaporated, he can still exist. There is atmpsphere everywhere on this planet... A main source of Storm's power. And since you brought up evaporating him, he could concieveably be obsorbed into Storm's lungs (since her human body does need oxogen to breathe), whereby he could then reincorporate his molecules into every water molecule in Storm's body, literally shedding the dehydrated flesh and bones off her, into his new frozen body. Think about that one for a second... By the way, yes he could survive in deep space... without oxogen. Can Storm?

3) So you mean to tell me that it's the fault of the character on why they are the way that they are, and writers have nothing to do with it? Who do you think establishes the personalities and dictates every single move of these characters?..... The writers. So other than X-Men Forever, name three writers that's given him a good story arc?.... And don't say those crappy Iceman books from 2000.

 

[HandOfFate]

Entertain me...

Emma twice, Jean once maybe twice depending how you look at it, Psylocke, Shadow King, Bogan through Rachel Summers-Grey, a Gene Nation telepath, Nanny and maybe Malice if you consider her a psionic being. She has also withstood the combined telepathy might of Professor X, Psylocke and Oracle. There might be more but I don’t have every issue Storm has appeared in.

Yes... He can even reshape the composition of that one ice cube into something else... Say, a house fly made of ice. AND, he can animate it by rapidly freezing and unfreezing the ice, like an artist using multiple pages to draw an animated character. Read Uncanny #416-#420.

Okay I’m going to reread those issue.

Is she strong enough to block the raw, unstoppable strength of the Juggernaut? If so great, because Iceman has defeated him before.

Wait, when has Bobby defeated a full powered Juggernaut? I need an issue number. Are we talking about the Juggernaut that joined the X-Men? If so, then where talking about two different power levels here. At the level he at now, he is barely above Colossus’s strength level.

As with Emma Frost

He really didn’t defeat Emma. When you look at the issue you can see that Emma didn’t use her mental power to fight Bobby. Think about it, if Emma wanted to defeat Bobby, she could have easily done it with her telepathy. The issue dealt with him coming to terms with his power, not fighting Emma.

David Haller, and a couple of others.

Uh…he didn’t defeat David. If he did then we wouldn’t have had the whole Age of Apocalypse ordeal.

You obviously don't consider the laws of physics do you. Storm CANNOT disintegrate water. It's impossible to make it NOT EXIST. Water can be evaporated, but not completely destroyed. The hydrogen and oxogen molecules still exist, they just aren't combined to make up the composition of water.

I hate saying this because this was not directed at me but I think she can on a certain level. IIRC, she create a electrolysis field underwater so the X-Men could breathe in Xtreme X-Men 2. While she didn’t destroy the oxygen and hydrogen molecules, she was able to separate them with her electrolysis fields.

Now I’m not the authority on electrolysis fields, so if I’m wrong somebody please tell me.

 

[javon]

You guys! Although i like the thread because u give me info i didn't known about, its gotta stop. Some of u said since when did this become a storm and iceman debate and then try to list something that iceman can beat storm or the other way around. I want this thread 2 be open but we have 2 stop arguing(lol).

 

[ProfeZZor X]

You guys! Although i like the thread because u give me info i didn't known about, its gotta stop. Some of u said since when did this become a storm and iceman debate and then try to list something that iceman can beat storm or the other way around. I want this thread 2 be open but we have 2 stop arguing(lol).

I don't even think it ever came down to arguing. Both HandOfFate and I are just expressing our views and opinions... Just playful banter. That's what this forum is all about.

 

[HandOfFate]

I don't even think it ever came down to arguing. Both HandOfFate and I are just expressing our views and opinions... Just playful banter. That's what this forum is all about.

True...I'm not arguing at all we’re just having a conversation. I think we had a slight misunderstanding at the begin but we’re already past that.

AAMOF, I started this thread in part to talk about Iceman.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

Okay I’m going to reread those issue.

I believe it was more like Uncanny #420, when he was conversating with Nightcrawler about the late-comer mutants that consider themselves X-men.

Wait, when has Bobby defeated a full powered Juggernaut? I need an issue number. Are we talking about the Juggernaut that joined the X-Men? If so, then where talking about two different power levels here. At the level he at now, he is barely above Colossus’s strength level.

Actually, I never said Juggy was at full power when he went up against Iceman, however he did slow him down a little when they went up against Black Tom Cassidy, just before his secondary mutation. He also pushed him around a bit when they went to China to rescue Xorn.

He really didn’t defeat Emma. When you look at the issue you can see that Emma didn’t use her mental power to fight Bobby. Think about it, if Emma wanted to defeat Bobby, she could have easily done it with her telepathy. The issue dealt with him coming to terms with his power, not fighting Emma.

Actually, in a way he did defeat Emma. And I say that because he caught her off guard when he froze the blood to her brain. Sure, she could have read his mind and blocked the attack, but she didn't.

Uh…he didn’t defeat David. If he did then we wouldn’t have had the whole Age of Apocalypse ordeal.

Of course the Age of Apocalypse was suppose to happen, so David's death by Iceman wouldn't work well leading up to AoA. And did you notice that he was the only one out of Storm, Bishop, and Psyloche to come close to stopping him. Even if it was momentarily. I don't know enough about David's background to know if he could survive without a body, but had it been frozen and quickly destroyed immediately after Iceman froze his molecules, that would have been one of Iceman's greatest victories.

I hate saying this because was not directed at me but I think she can on a certain level. IIRC, she create a electrolysis field underwater so the X-Men could breathe in Xtreme X-Men 2. While she didn’t destroy the oxygen and hydrogen molecules, she was able to separate them with her electrolysis fields.

So then if you really look at it, she's really not controlling the water. I also haven't read that issue, but from the way you described it, she would have to create a sizeable and stable stasis field in order to contain the air, and hold their bodily weight underwater.

Now I’m not the authority on electrolysis fields, so if I’m wrong somebody please tell me.

That's okay... We've both said a mouthful already. Bottom line, both are great characters. We can only hope they would go up against each other in the Civil War story arc.

 

[javon]

I don't even think it ever came down to arguing. Both HandOfFate and I are just expressing our views and opinions... Just playful banter. That's what this forum is all about.

Oh sorry profezzorx. I wasn't trying to get smart but it just sorta seemed like u guys were arguing. I did see a couple of people saying this is nonsense that the thread is open so thats why i thought u were arguing. Actually, i wouldn't mind 4 it 2 stay up because i learned a lot about storm from u and handoffate so thanks!

 

[Valechan]

1) That is actually the current Iceman, because he STILL experienced those things, managed to discorporate himself into mist, freeze Prosh (an entire spaceship), and eventually returned to the X-Men (Wolverine, Chamber, Angel, Nightcrawler). Even had a conversation about his experience with Jean at the breakfast table a couple of days/weeks later. Nothing has changed, other than that secondary mutation "mistake", and current team members.

Like I said, it was his mind, but NOT his body. When he returned to his body he was nowhere near that power ever again

2) When was the last time you read Iceman's original bio? He can create ice, even in the desert. And what part of the concept of OMEGA MUTANT don't you understand? Do you really think it's that easy to Kill Jean or any of the other omega class mutants? It would be very difficult (not impossible) to kill him. He's the embodiment of ALL FORMS of moisture. Even if he's evaporated, he can still exist. There is atmpsphere everywhere on this planet... A main source of Storm's power. And since you brought up evaporating him, he could concieveably be obsorbed into Storm's lungs (since her human body does need oxogen to breathe), whereby he could then reincorporate his molecules into every water molecule in Storm's body, literally shedding the dehydrated flesh and bones off her, into his new frozen body. Think about that one for a second... By the way, yes he could survive in deep space... without oxogen. Can Storm?

There is nothing in space. Iceman can't create ice in space, he can't create nothing. And I never heard he doesn't need to breathe. Show me a comic book where it says so. If sent to space he will die, or worse, drift aimlessly forever. He might be able to reform himself from just a head, but that means squat in space. Also, if he were to be forced to revert to human form he can die. And we have seen him unconscious in ice form, so don't think he's invincible.

3) So you mean to tell me that it's the fault of the character on why they are the way that they are, and writers have nothing to do with it? Who do you think establishes the personalities and dictates every single move of these characters?..... The writers. So other than X-Men Forever, name three writers that's given him a good story arc?.... And don't say those crappy Iceman books from 2000.

It is not the writers fault if he is such a paltry character. No one writes about him because no one likes him. That's the reason. If he were a likeable character there would be far more stories about him. But he's not.


Another thing, you said he was the only one who stopped Legion... sigh, in Uncanny 320, Iceman says that against enemies like that, all he can do is stay away (also a certain redhead says she can't withstand Ororo's winds for long, even with her tk)... when he faces Legion is because Ororo tells him to, while she rescues Magneto. After that, when Legion attacks, all the X-Men are on the floor, completely unable to move, including Drake, EXCEPT for Ororo who is on her knees, showing she is far more resilient to telepathy than her fellow X-Men.

 

[javon]

Good point Sebita! And i'm not saying this because it proves something ahead of iceman, but i never read that issue Better start lookin!

(types in www.uncannyxmen.net and clicks enter)

 

[ProfeZZor X]

Like I said, it was his mind, but NOT his body. When he returned to his body he was nowhere near that power ever again.

You're really NOT making sense here. "It was his mind, not his body"? So who's body was it? Each character in that story arc travelled in time to specific points in their lives. And if you really paid attention to the reason why Iceman was there, he didn't "gain" any new power in the future version of himself, he was shown the VAST potential that he already has that wasn't currently being used. And regardless of WHEN it was, it still happened to them, because it carried into the next story arc. Mystique still carried her shape shifting scales long after that story arc didn't she?... So why would that be any different than any of the other characters?

There is nothing in space. Iceman can't create ice in space, he can't create nothing. And I never heard he doesn't need to breathe. Show me a comic book where it says so. If sent to space he will die, or worse, drift aimlessly forever. He might be able to reform himself from just a head, but that means squat in space. Also, if he were to be forced to revert to human form he can die. And we have seen him unconscious in ice form, so don't think he's invincible..

Who said anything about creating ice in space? I said he can SURVIVE in space without oxogen. Did you forget that water/ice is made of hydrogen and oxygen? And besides, there are moons in this solar system completely made of ice.... What's more important though is can STORM survive in space without any breathing equipment?

It is not the writers fault if he is such a paltry character. No one writes about him because no one likes him. That's the reason. If he were a likeable character there would be far more stories about him. But he's not..

If Iceman was a "paltry character" he would have been killed off a long time ago don't you think? And, if you think that way, then why would they kill off Phoenix instead of him?

Another thing, you said he was the only one who stopped Legion... sigh, in Uncanny 320, Iceman says that against enemies like that, all he can do is stay away (also a certain redhead says she can't withstand Ororo's winds for long, even with her tk)... when he faces Legion is because Ororo tells him to, while she rescues Magneto. After that, when Legion attacks, all the X-Men are on the floor, completely unable to move, including Drake, EXCEPT for Ororo who is on her knees, showing she is far more resilient to telepathy than her fellow X-Men.

Uh.... Where was Storm when Iceman tried to attack Legion?... On the sidelines with the other characters. Probably begging for mercy on her knees. And why would she send Iceman to do it if she was so powerful?.... Also if you remember that conversation between him and Storm, before he attacked Legion, she did mention how powerful he was becoming, since he gained a new confidence within himself. By the way, if she was doing her job at protecting Magneto from Legion, Xavier wouldn't have died.... - By the Bright Lady - Yeah, right.

Enough with the comparisons... Both are great characters.... Period.

 

[cardslinger]

Can anyone tell me where this picture is from?


Was it a comic book cover or what? I LOVE this picture.