Iron Fist Iron Fist FULL SEASON ONE Discussion Thread (NO SPOILER TAGS NECESSARY!)

[eon001]

Not as bad as what the critics made it out to be. I wouldn't even say it's the worse Netflix/Marvel show.

It suffers from what all the Netflix Marvel shows have. They just don't have enough material for 13 episodes. Strip it down to 9 episodes. Quality over quantity.

The action wasn't bad, but they can certainly do better. The enter the Badlands team needs to be consulted for season 2.

 

[AlluAllu]

I liked the first half better. Danny as a protagonist lost me when he got all angsty. And I am so tired of the same old "to kill or not to kill" pathos. I was expecting Danny to be like: "you'll go to jail Harold... after I have killed you once." At least that would have been an original.

Other negatives would be messed up continuity about Gao and the lack of particularly interesting story. The show just didn't give me enough reasons to watch it.

But there were some positive aspects. Danny was at his best when he was running the Rand and giving fortune cookie wisdom. Jessica Henwick is waifu. Hogarth is awesome and so is Claire, who again is the only sane person. Meachums were entertaining, especially Harold. Zombie Harold in particular was hilarious.

Didn't care about fight scenes.

Maybe 5/10.

 

[eon001]

They really stretched Claire Temples involvement. I kinda just went with it for the most part, but when she went to China, I just couldn't suspend my disbelief enough to accept that an ex Nurse that took evening martial arts classes was qualified to help fight a Ninja cult.

Even as background back up, she just felt so shoe horned in. Just stay in New York Claire, your not a super hero.

 

[javonstokess]

Positives:
Good to great characters w/interesting story arcs
Episode 6
Danny Rand felt like Danny Rand.
Colleen Wing was beautiful and awesome
Twist with the Hand was relatively clever
Madam Gao continues her great run

Negatives:
Direction was all over the place (with the exception of episode 6 & 12)
Lack of a cohesive vision
Fight choreography was lacking.
Actor who played Danny Rand was not very believable as a fighter
Pacing of the show was plodding

Overall, I give the show a C-. It just felt like they weren't sure if they wanted to be "Suits" or a 70's martial arts flick. I'm sure you can have a nice mixture for that, but they weren't even close. They had some good ideas, but the execution was...well, boring.

 

[wampa1]

No...this was not a year 1 learning curve for Iron Fist.

Yes... it was. He left before completing the training. He is literally just a guy who is really good at martial arts and can sorta sometimes summon the iron fist. He has loads to learn yet.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I'm past the idea that as a pathetic comic book loser, I should consider myself lucky to have ANY show. No...quite the opposite. We are now THE financial driving force of Hollywood...so I demand high quality.

Then watch the 100 other shows instead of mucking up this thread with negativity on the first weekend dam

 

[AlluAllu]

So, was there ever a dragon? Danny commented that it wasn't like he expected. Did the finale with Harold mean that the cave was some sort of time-traveling-vision-test-of-soul?

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I do think that there was literally no reasons at all given for Claire not calling DD and saying "So, we're fighting the Hand..."

You can say that for every MCU release

 

[Nathan]

Was anyone else disappointed that we didn't get any proper Ninja action? All this talk about the Hand, and not a single Ninja in sight.

 

[rogue trooper]

Finished watching it yesterday, and all in all, like Luke Cage, it was a "fine" season, with some rough edges(the climatic fight for one). I really liked the chemistry between Danny and Colleen. It is not the wreck (most) critics make it to be. It is yet another disconnect between fans and critics, clearly. This show is not as solid as Daredevil or Jessica Jones, but it's still a promising addition to the Marvel/Netflix universe.

 

[legendkillin]

Just finished it, I didn't think it was garbage but I didn't love it. I mentioned in another post that I found nothing really memorable and that was when I was on episode 7. That is still mostly true, the only thing that stood out was the drunken fighter.

The show did feel consistent throughout which maybe good or bad for some. I am not a super fan IF so I don't know if the Meachums are important in the comics. I just know I never heard of them in all of Marvel. I wish they weren't so involved in the series, just didn't care for them at all.

If I had to rank all the series so far this would be at the bottom. I don't love any of the Netflix series. I only watch them one time just not a lot of replay value for me. I enjoyed DD1 most of all, JJ would be next, Cage next, DD2 because the 1st half was great but I don't care for the Hand and Elektra story, and last IF. I just didn't see much growth in Danny he just got angrier and really didn't harness his powers in the end.

6.5/10

 

[daddydivine]

The biggest issue with Iron Fist is that it didn't seem to have its own style or voice. Luke Cage kinda flourished on it's style and message. Daredevil had it's violence, and JJ had it's horror and pain. Iron Fist seems like a by the numbers tv show.

 

[Nathan]

Agreed. Every Netflix show had its own personal style, but Iron Fist didn't really have anything that made it unique. It was just bland.

 

[legendkillin]

The biggest issue with Iron Fist is that it didn't seem to have its own style or voice. Luke Cage kinda flourished on it's style and message. Daredevil had it's violence, and JJ had it's horror and pain. Iron Fist seems like a by the numbers tv show.

From the little I know of IF, I went in thinking the style would be fun easy going. That would have been a change of pace from the other Netflix shows too. He even would have been a different dynamic to the group. He was naive but to a point where I felt he was just impulsive.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I think he means show style.

One thing I noticed is each show said where it's influences and ambitions were (whether they reached those ambitions is a different story). For season one of Daredevil, they mentioned The French Connection. For Jessica Jones they said Chinatown. Luke Cage was The Wire. I don't recall anyone saying anything about Iron Fist. Can anyone remember differently?

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Disappointing to hear these comments.
Having grown up on classic martial arts films (Saturdays at the movies then coming home to Shaw Bros on tv), Iron Fist was always a favorite of mine, and I was looking forward to this.
Guess theres no hurry in watching the show.

I'd say give it a try, still. There's heavy influence of martial art films and culture. Warrior culture in general, as well.

This show is the worst one so far. Terrible writing, childish on the nose dialogue and horrible action. Since when is Danny this clueless and this bad at using his powers? The pacing is sloooooooowwwww. And there is not enough conflict. Best things about this show are Colleen and Ward.

No way in hell is this on par with DD season 1 or JJ.

I thought it was better than Jessica Jones. I think Daredevil is still tops for me, I easily rank it higher than JJ.

Was anyone else disappointed that we didn't get any proper Ninja action? All this talk about the Hand, and not a single Ninja in sight.

Technically, we did. Though, if you mean them wearing literal ninja outfits...we got a little of it. Very little of them wearing ninja outfits, though.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think he means show style.

One thing I noticed is each show said where it's influences and ambitions were (whether they reached those ambitions is a different story). For season one of Daredevil, they mentioned The French Connection. For Jessica Jones they said Chinatown. Luke Cage was The Wire. I don't recall anyone saying anything about Iron Fist. Can anyone remember differently?

The Wire...? Really?

I heard somewhere, might have been one of the actors, who mentioned Way of the Dragon. Hadn't heard of those other influences.

 

[TheVileOne]

Could Eric Kripke be the showrunner? Would he even be interested? I feel like he could balance the show out more.

 

[Nathan]

Technically, we did. Though, if you mean them wearing literal ninja outfits...we got a little of it. Very little of them wearing ninja outfits, though.

Yeah, technically we got Ninjas, since they were the Hand. But even with the lack of some proper outfits, I don't think we even got some proper Ninja action. I wanted to see an elite army descending down on Danny and Davos with Katanas and Shurikens. But we mostly just got people in civilian clothes, and the only two people running around with Katanas were Bakuto and Colleen. And Bakuto wasn't even a formidable warrior like Nobu. The show really lacked a proper badass to challenge Danny.

 

[Hotwire]

I do think that there was literally no reasons at all given for Claire not calling DD and saying "So, we're fighting the Hand..."

I was really hoping she would have! Just Tell Danny And Colleen," Look, I have a friend who's dealt with these guys before. I'll call him and get you some backup." It would have made complete sense in the narrative.

 

[legendkillin]

Could Eric Kripke be the showrunner? Would he even be interested? I feel like he could balance the show out more.

He continues to make failed shows. Yes Supernatural was a good show under him, but I don't see anyway that can translate to IF.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I think he means show style.

One thing I noticed is each show said where it's influences and ambitions were (whether they reached those ambitions is a different story). For season one of Daredevil, they mentioned The French Connection. For Jessica Jones they said Chinatown. Luke Cage was The Wire. I don't recall anyone saying anything about Iron Fist. Can anyone remember differently?

I think it's also the fact Marvel in general does better when they have a comic run or two to keep it from flying off the handle in terms of story.

DD is Frank Miller and JJ is Bendis. Everyone acknowledges Cage was widely uneven but had a strong sense of style to keep it together. Iron Fist just fell into the trap of not having that style.

On the movie side it's the same with Thor being the weakest and not really focused on any particular run story wise. Cap being the strongest cause it's almost all been Brubaker's Winter Soldier run.

 

[Dasher10]

I think he means show style.

One thing I noticed is each show said where it's influences and ambitions were (whether they reached those ambitions is a different story). For season one of Daredevil, they mentioned The French Connection. For Jessica Jones they said Chinatown. Luke Cage was The Wire. I don't recall anyone saying anything about Iron Fist. Can anyone remember differently?

Iron Fist Season 2 (if there is one) needs to look at Big Trouble In Little China, the Mortal Kombat series and The Octagon for inspiration.

When Punisher debuts, I really hope that it's something along the lines of Face/Off, A Serbian Film, Dirty Harry, Die Hard, Taxi Driver and Straw Dogs.

And if Marvel and Netflix expand their partnership, it makes sense to do future series this way.

Shang Chi needs to be Hard Boiled meets Enter the Dragon meets Rush Hour with a lot of influence from the video game Sleeping Dogs.

Elektra needs to look at old Sonny Chiba films like The Street Fighter and The Bodyguard along with modernizing elements from old samurai films.

Moon Knight needs to look at Twin Peaks, Jacob's Ladder, Zardoz, Stalker, and Mulholland Drive. Just go full on trip pines with imagery that is often surreal and things that the audience has seen being retconned thanks to an unreliable narrator who hallucinates major events.

She-Hulk needs to take more influence from Ally Mcbeal than anything else.

Blade needs to be like True Blood since it's vampires + NOLA. Adding some elements of True Detective to make it a detective/mystery series also works.

Ghost Rider needs to be Sons of Anarchy crossed with The Exorcist crossed with The Wild Bunch with the soundtrack of Gummo.

Power Pack would be The Goonies and Stand By Me with Superpowers with a tone like Clarissa Explains It All.

 

[javonstokess]

I think it's also the fact Marvel in general does better when they have a comic run or two to keep it from flying off the handle in terms of story.

DD is Frank Miller and JJ is Bendis. Everyone acknowledges Cage was widely uneven but had a strong sense of style to keep it together. Iron Fist just fell into the trap of not having that style.

On the movie side it's the same with Thor being the weakest and not really focused on any particular run story wise. Cap being the strongest cause it's almost all been Brubaker's Winter Soldier run.

Which makes the lack of theme/style even more inexcusible because they could have easily used Fraction/Brubaker's Iron Fist run.

 

[Matt Mortem]

I agree that this show seems to lack identity. It felt like they were lazily trying to copy what worked in the other Marvel shows without really nailing any aspects. The hallway fight early on is a great example. Daredevil's hallway fight was a high point for TV action period. Iron Fist doing it felt lazy and that it wasn't particularly well done just added insult to injury.