BvS Is anyone else not excited about Superman and Batman? I feel nothing but dread. - Part 2

[The Endless]

anyone think it might have been better if Sinestro wouldve been a yellow lantern from the beginning? and then just have someone like Kilowog briefly explain Sinestros past with the Green Lantern?

Na, the key to Sinestro and Hal's relationship is they were pretty close. They start off cold to each other, then through their experiences develop a grudging respect, which then turns into a real friendship.

Only when the truth about Sinestro's "justice" on Korugar comes out does their relationship fall apart.

Green Lantern should have basically been a cosmic buddy cop movie. At the end Hal learns the truth about Korugar and how Sinestro rules through fear.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I rarely hate films, because they are inanimate ****ing objects!

You're an inanimate f***ing object!

 

[Rowsdower!]

Na, the key to Sinestro and Hal's relationship is they were pretty close. They start off cold to each other, then through their experiences develop a grudging respect, which then turns into a real friendship.

Only when the truth about Sinestro's "justice" on Korugar comes out does their relationship fall apart.

Green Lantern should have basically been a cosmic buddy cop movie. At the end Hal learns the truth about Korugar and how Sinestro rules through fear.

And in a nutshell, you pretty much described the perfect Green Lantern origin movie. Why they decided to use Hector and Parallax as the central villains is beyond me. Parallax would have been better as a "final" villain somewhere down the road and Hector... hell, I could have lived with never seeing old fetushead on the big screen.

 

[The Batman]

No, there just wasn't enough people interested in the characteras evidenced by the poor performance of the animated series as well as the DTV animated movies, period.

No, it was because the movie sucked. Period.

Green Lantern: TAS got cancelled for the same reason Young Justice did: Cartoon Network has lost the plot and does a poor job of programming its superhero shows, airing them in an erratic manner before canning them.

They did the same thing to Beware the Batman...you know, the show starring their most popular superhero, so the crap idea of using TAS as an argument of GL's popularity dosen't wash, as it was never given a fair chance in the first place, just like YJ and BTB.

As for the DTV's, if you did your research, you'd know that GL: First Flight is the 4th highest grossing film from their current line. You'd also understand that at this point, the only DTV's they're doing now are Batman or Justice League.

They've yet to announce a new animated film for Superman...you know...their second most popular character and the company mascot.

The idea of using DTV sales as an argument of GL's popularity is a crap argument as well, seeing as how his first solo cartoon film was only outsold by a solo Batman film, a solo Superman film, and a Superman/Batman film.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

No, it was because the movie sucked. Period.

This.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Ooooooooh boy.

Green Lantern just got the Honest Trailer treatment.

 

[Boy Scout]

I still haven't seen it. I was excited for it at the time, but after it got universally panned, I lost all interest.

 

[Lencho01]

No, it's not obvious by the way you wrote that. I still contend that team-ups don't have to be for crossovers or big events. Batman and Robin or Green Arrow and Black Canary are popular team-ups, but yet we didn't need a special event or a crossover to have that happen (nor did we need a solo franchise for either Robin or Black Canary). Thats because there are no set rules on how to tell comic book superhero tales. In actuality it should be driven by perceived or existing popularity, and that would not necessate the creation of a solo franchise independent of the others, which is kind of a costly way to do things, prior to creating a team up. Why do that (create a solo franchise) when virtually no one is interested in it? "Green Lantern is a perfect example of that.

Come on, dude. You know exactly what he meant. Beyond characters who are often seen with a partner or partners, team ups were considered events. It's why people get excited at the idea of Superman and Batman or the rest of the JL more so than Batman and Robin or the X-Men. One is an event or crossover and the other is not.

 

[Flint Marko]

Ooooooooh boy.

Green Lantern just got the Honest Trailer treatment.

"And they thought there was gonna be a sequel... How adorable".

 

[dnno1]

Come on, dude. You know exactly what he meant. Beyond characters who are often seen with a partner or partners, team ups were considered events. It's why people get excited at the idea of Superman and Batman or the rest of the JL more so than Batman and Robin or the X-Men. One is an event or crossover and the other is not.

I know what was written, and it was not as specific as what you are trying to convey now. I wouldn't have responded if it was clear. Sure, team-ups can be considered big events, but not all team-ups are. Lets' say some and not generalize it as if all of them are. Daredevil and Elektra or Captain America and Black-widow are not big event team-ups. That is misleading, and you can not assume that everybody knows what you or others who are trying to push that agenda mean.

 

[Lencho01]

I know what was written, and it was not as specific as what you are trying to convey now. I wouldn't have responded if it was clear. Sure, team-ups can be considered big events, but not all team-up are. Lets' say some and not generalize it as if all of them are. Daredevil and Elektra or Captain America and Black-widow are not big event team-ups. That is misleading, and you can not assume that everybody knows what you or others who are trying to push that agenda mean.

It was specific enough. If you couldn't get what he was saying, then I don't know what else to say.

 

[JDklip]

There was a sentiment going on in this thread a while back about still being interested in BvS but tailoring expectations to what you feel this creative team is capable of (i.e. awesome action & spectacle, great costumes, cool vehicles, etc).

I gotta say, I really agree with this way of approaching BvS. After SR and MOS, I just can't get that invested. Even with MOS, I put blinders on to Snyder's limited ability. I thought he was in a place in his career where he had to prove himself again, and coupled with Nolan's guidance he'd turn out a film with a great story. To be clear, I enjoy MOS now. My expectations were tempered by it, but I like it for what it is and the aspirations it has. Plus, there are some really great ideas in that film and I think it's one of the best solo screenplays Goyer has produced. But I can't understand how, at the start of the hype cycle all over again, people don't take into account that we've been through all this before with the same creative team to disappointing results.

 

[dnno1]

No, it was because the movie sucked. Period.

Green Lantern: TAS got cancelled for the same reason Young Justice did: Cartoon Network has lost the plot and does a poor job of programming its superhero shows, airing them in an erratic manner before canning them.

They did the same thing to Beware the Batman...you know, the show starring their most popular superhero, so the crap idea of using TAS as an argument of GL's popularity dosen't wash, as it was never given a fair chance in the first place, just like YJ and BTB.

As for the DTV's, if you did your research, you'd know that GL: First Flight is the 4th highest grossing film from their current line. You'd also understand that at this point, the only DTV's they're doing now are Batman or Justice League.

They've yet to announce a new animated film for Superman...you know...their second most popular character and the company mascot.

The idea of using DTV sales as an argument of GL's popularity is a crap argument as well, seeing as how his first solo cartoon film was only outsold by a solo Batman film, a solo Superman film, and a Superman/Batman film.

Umm... GLTAS and Young Justice were pulled because of poor ratings, which can be atributed to brand awareness. "Beware the Batman" has now moved to the Toonami block as of May of this year.

I used data from The-Numbers and (corrected for inflation), GLFF ranked 8th in sales (both in revenue and units sold). Superman: Doomsday along with all of the Superman/Batman titles as well as Batman: Gotham Knight, Batman: Under the Red Hood, Wonder Woman and All-Star Superman were ahead of it. Also according to the trend, they usually do a (solo) Superman animated feature every 2-3 years. The last one being Superman: Unbound in 2013, so the next one should be by 2015/2016 or so. I don't think you've got your facts straight.

 

[The Batman]

Umm... GLTAS and Young Justice were pulled because of poor ratings, which can be atributed to brand awareness.

This contradicts nothing I've said. When you constantly delay your shows and move around its schedule, its gonna have a ratings problem. Thats why fans were so pissed about the cancellation of those shows. They were never given a chance to build steam.

"Beware the Batman" has now moved to the Toonami block as of May of this year.

I like how you just happened to forget that ITS BEING MOVED TO 3 IN THE MORNING, which is equivalent to what Fox would do with some of their shows: move them to Friday nights, where it will die a slow death. Once again, thank you for proving my point: Moving around your shows and putting them on crappy schedules will hurt you more than any BS about "Brand awareness". Its all but guaranteed at this point that BTB will not be renewed.

I used data from The-Numbers and (corrected for inflation), GLFF ranked 8th in sales (both in revenue and units sold). Superman: Doomsday along with all of the Superman/Batman titles as well as Batman: Gotham Knight, Batman: Under the Red Hood, Wonder Woman and All-Star Superman were ahead of it.

Where is this info?

Also according to the trend, they usually do a (solo) Superman animated feature every 2-3 years. The last one being Superman: Unbound in 2013, so the next one should be by 2015/2016 or so. I don't think you've got your facts straight.

On when they release Superman films, sure. I'll be waiting for those sales numbers, though. Either way, GL didn't flop because of "Brand awareness". It flopped cause it sucked.

 

[Maze]

They don't release animated superman movies, every three years?

 

[Maze]

And yes" brand awareness" or not, if Thor, Iron Man, and apparently soon a talking racoon can find success, Gl could have. ( and it has still the potential )

 

[MrsKent26]

I'm not sure why anyone would attempt to blame the GL movie's failure on anything but it's inferior quality. It was terrible and got an appropriately terrible response. That's not to say questionable movies don't make money, but I find that those movies at least have something going for them that compels people to spend money (in the case of transformers, the incredible action sequences) and GL had nothing.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

If you really needed anymore reasons why it bombed, watch the honest trailer for it that got released today.

 

[dnno1]

This contradicts nothing I've said. When you constantly delay your shows and move around its schedule, its gonna have a ratings problem. Thats why fans were so pissed about the cancellation of those shows. They were never given a chance to build steam.

Both GLTAS and YJ were part of the DC Nation block. They never changed from that. The shows were just not getting the ratings that Star Wars: Clone wars was getting (i.e. top 10 in ratings).

I like how you just happened to forget that ITS BEING MOVED TO 3 IN THE MORNING, which is equivalent to what Fox would do with some of their shows: move them to Friday nights, where it will die a slow death. Once again, thank you for proving my point: Moving around your shows and putting them on crappy schedules will hurt you more than any BS about "Brand awareness". Its all but guaranteed at this point that BTB will not be renewed.

The show is still on the air, which is just the opposite of what you said.

Where is this info?

That was taken from data provided at The-Numbers.com website.

On when they release Superman films, sure. I'll be waiting for those sales numbers, though. Either way, GL didn't flop because of "Brand awareness". It flopped cause it sucked.

Not enough people were interested in seeing the film because they weren't as familiar with it as they were with Batman or Superman. The studio even did a study and found that he was more popular among young kids aged 6 to 12, which is outside the range that is the highest proportion of moviegoers (age 12 to 24). The same thing would happen with any other DC character than them. This is why we aren't seeing a Wonder Woman or a Martian Manhunter solo film.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

I'm not sure why anyone would attempt to blame the GL movie's failure on anything but it's inferior quality. It was terrible and got an appropriately terrible response. That's not to say questionable movies don't make money, but I find that those movies at least have something going for them that compels people to spend money (in the case of transformers, the incredible action sequences) and GL had nothing.

It's a rationalization. They personally liked the movie and it bothers them that it's generally regarded as a POS and a failure. Pretty common on these boards, though usually the movies in question aren't as bad as GL.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I find it funny after them making a big stink at how the Wonder Woman DTV was a disappointment, it's one of their best selling DTVs.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

The show is still on the air, which is just the opposite of what you said.

With a 3am timesot, it might as well not be. DVR or not, it's clear Cartoon Network doesn't care about the show.

 

[Travesty]

Gotham Knight is their best Batman? That movie was pretty weak.

 

[Doctor Jones]

God, that movie. Anime and Batman do not mix.

 

[Reiter]

I find it funny after them making a big stink at how the Wonder Woman DTV was a disappointment, it's one of their best selling DTVs.

I think their problem is that it didnt make those numbers instantly but over a long period of time. I'm guessing word of mouth about it being good helped its sales in the long run. I quite liked it.

My personal favourites were Red Hood and Emerald Knights.

Gotham Knight is their best Batman? That movie was pretty weak.

It's probably because it was tied to the Nolan movies, as a story in between Begins and TDK. But yeah it was weak.