BvS Is anyone else not excited about Superman and Batman? I feel nothing but dread. - Part 2

[DA_Champion]

These pedantic digressions are so boring.

BvS is both a sequel to MoS and a prequel to JL.

 

[DA_Champion]

Nothing is confirmed, just a leaked story but judging by the list, I hope things work out the way the list presented itself. I think with the "MoS 2" on that list, I think that would indicate the next solo Supes film with the Man of Steel title but if that's the sequel to MoS, what story would they use? BvS follows the events of MoS. I bet "MoS 2" or the next solo sequel will be created off of new events.

There will never be a movie called MoS2, that's just a placeholder title. They probably don't even have a script now.

 

[roach]

These pedantic digressions are so boring.

BvS is both a sequel to MoS and a prequel to JL.

 

[Tra-El]

There will never be a movie called MoS2, that's just a placeholder title. They probably don't even have a script now.

Agreed. I can see the "Superman: Man of Tomorrow" or "Last Son" titles being used eventually for Supes's next solo outing.

 

[Nemeres]

Agreed. I can see the "Superman: Man of Tomorrow" or "Last Son" titles being used eventually for Supes's next solo outing.

It'll probably be Man of Steel: Something something.

 

[Boy Scout]

Man, there are people who want so see this film fail so bad and the SHH moderators just let this thread linger here to allow them to contaminate people's minds into thinking that it will. It is so sad.

Nobody is forcing you (or anybody else) to come in here. Stop being dramatic.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Man, there are people who want so see this film fail so bad and the SHH moderators just let this thread linger here to allow them to contaminate people's minds into thinking that it will. It is so sad.

Did you read the thread title?

 

[Nemeres]

I don't know how ANY fan can be disappointed in how this thing can go. You have Zack Snyder, the guy responsible for REVIVING the Superman franchise returning as director, who I'm SURE won't do any harm to Supes in this process after being asked to build Superman back up while introducing Batman (without having to repeat the endless origin story) stepping in Supes' way. It doesn't get any better, folks.

This is super arguable. A quick look through Snyder's filmography would suggest that his sensibilities align more with the Batman character than with Superman's. It's not hard at all to assume what tone is gonna be allowed to dominate the movie.

MOS revived Superman because a movie came out and it reintroduced the character to people and it earned a sequel, but it's not like the film was universally beloved. A movie like MOS had no real reason to be so divisive. So I would say that things could definitely be a little better.

 

[MrsKent26]

It is a sequel to Man of Steel. It's following up the events of that film, it is delving into the aftermath of that film, it's continuing the story of Superman from that film.

They are just including Batman and Wonder Woman in the continuation of Supermans story. Which makes sense and seems natural in concept. The execution? Remains to be seen.

Avengers is a sequel to Thor, The First Avenger and Iron Man 2.

This makes sense to me and I hope it ends up like this, rather than being muddied with too much JL prep.

This gif has begun to propagate at an alarming rate and yet its origins escape me.

 

[hafizbat]

^Godzilla (2014)

 

[DA_Champion]

A quick look through Snyder's filmography would suggest that his sensibilities align more with the Batman character than with Superman's.

Based on what?

How does Leonidas from 300 suggest Batman over Superman?
How do the owls of Ga'Hoole suggest Batman over Superman?

It seems like most analysis of Snyder is just slogans put on repeat.

 

[dnno1]

Did you read the thread title?

Did you read my post?

 

[D.P.]

It seems like most analysis of Snyder is just slogans put on repeat.

Thank you. I've been trying to articulate this for the longest.

People are literally parroting the same talking points they've read on here, other forums, and comments sections across the internet, while constantly repeating them to whomever will listen. I'm not even sure if some of them truly believe what they're saying.

"Goyer has good ideas, but bad dialogue" should be a meme/cliche by now.

 

[dnno1]

This makes sense to me and I hope it ends up like this, rather than being muddied with too much JL prep.



This gif has begun to propagate at an alarming rate and yet its origins escape me.

^Godzilla (2014)

The film quote of the year.

 

[WBwins]

These pedantic digressions are so boring.

BvS is both a sequel to MoS and a prequel to JL.

The arguement is whether or not BVS is Superman centric.


To the guy who asked How Is saying BVS is not Superman centric wanting it to fail?

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Did you read my post?

Relax, it was a joke.

 

[regwec]

Man, there are people who want so see this film fail so bad and the SHH moderators just let this thread linger here to allow them to contaminate people's minds into thinking that it will. It is so sad.

Relax, there are perhaps three people who regularly post negative stuff here, and almost everyone else dislikes and/or ignores them anyway. I prefer the repetitious whining to be neatly confined to this threat, rather than permeating the whole forum and subjecting every other thread to the same tedious cycle.

It seems like most analysis of Snyder is just slogans put on repeat.

I think you are giving it too much credit by describing it as "analysis".

 

[Nemeres]

Based on what?

How does Leonidas from 300 suggest Batman over Superman?
How do the owls of Ga'Hoole suggest Batman over Superman?

How militaristic, war-hungry Leonidas comes even close to suggesting Superman is beyond me. The same with that film’s trademark brutality, bleak tone and its R rating. Are we even disputing that Snyder is an edgy guy not too well known for moralistic, feel-good films? Guardians, yeah, that’s an exception in his work. But BVS won’t be a children-oriented animated flick, will it.

MOS was dark enough featuring Superman alone -- there’s a reason the term “joyless” gets thrown around often when discussing that film. Add Batman -and the general tone and grimness I would associate with both the character and Snyder’s style- and the picture just paints itself. I responded to a member who asked how any Superman fan can be worried with how things are going. I would return that question in reverse.

It seems like most analysis of Snyder is just slogans put on repeat.

“I don’t have that complaint, therefore it shouldn't exist”. As always.

 

[The Endless]

There is valid concerns with this film (like every film ever?), those who are sticking their heads in the sand need to accept this.

Sycophants and blind brown nosers can lick my chuddies!

But honestly, i don't know how you can't be at least cautiously excited.

 

[DA_Champion]

I think you are giving it too much credit by describing it as "analysis".

That made me laugh, thanks !

 

[DA_Champion]

How militaristic, war-hungry Leonidas comes even close to suggesting Superman is beyond me. The same with that film’s trademark brutality, bleak tone and its R rating. Are we even disputing that Snyder is an edgy guy not too well known for moralistic, feel-good films? Guardians, yeah, that’s an exception in his work. But BVS won’t be a children-oriented animated flick, will it.

Leonidas wasn't "war-hungry", he went off to battle because he understood that it was necessary to save Sparta. It's Xerxes who is war-hungry in the movie. Leonidas actually has some good in him which shines through if you're paying attention, for example he wants Ephialtes to help tend to the wounded, and his love for his wife is sincere. It was Snyder's idea to Queen Gorgo to the storyline.

What you're doing is misinterpreting the characters in Snyder's filmography to advance the belief that his sensibilities are better suited for Batman than for Superman to in turn advance the idea that BvS will suck.

 

[The Endless]

Leonidas did ultimately want to save Sparta and Greece. But he was all about "death in glorious combat!" That was his entire MO.

His death at the end is quite powerful and cathartic though. "My Queen! My wife! My love..." In that moment he goes from a proud warrior King, to a humble husband and lover.

 

[Tra-El]

MOS revived Superman because a movie came out and it reintroduced the character to people and it earned a sequel, but it's not like the film was universally beloved. A movie like MOS had no real reason to be so divisive. So I would say that things could definitely be a little better.

With many of the decisions made by the MoS-team, I'm not all surprised by the least bit that the film was so divisive. Superman has some hardcore fans that grew up in different eras and have their own interpretation of who and what Superman should be and MoS went against, but at the same time, went for some of the things as far as mythology is concerned . They also injected the modern-era of comic books into MoS and updated not only his look, but his attitude, which was important.

You said it best. MoS simply REVIVED Superman and when you revive a legend and try new things, chances are most people will go against what's fresh and new and more importantly, different. But as far as the film being divisive, Snyder gave us a drop-dead-SERIOUS Superman that didn't hold anything back. MoS looked classic in the face and flirted to be different.

Man of Steel, in a ton of ways, was the beginning of trying new things. Now that they know their audience, I'm sure the studio, Snyder and whoever else heard some things and now it's all the matter of tightening things up. I'm confident BvS will still be in the same tone as MoS, but tightened up. I'm confident in this film being damn good.

 

[The Endless]

It's not just hardcore fans that didn't like it though is it?

 

[Tra-El]

It's not just hardcore fans that didn't like it though is it?

IMHO and the way I've viewed things over the course of the year, is that besides the critics who didn't get their classic Superman with romance, humor,wit and colors, the hardcore Superman fanbase were the ones that were mostly outspoken, mainly the older, generational fans. But as far as the general audience is concered, I've always saw it as the GA liking Man of Steel a good bunch.