Is Superman getting the shaft in "Justice League"?

[Herolee10]

It would be cool to see the Justice League fail on a few missions and Superman be the initiator of the regrouping period after being brought back. It's possible that Superman could spend some time with the villains or if Steppenwolf has access to his body first. Clark could wield some information about Steppenwolf or Darkseid that the other leaguers weren't privy to during that timeframe.

For a film that'll be about 2 Hours and 30 Minutes (most likely), I honestly don't think that they have any time really to devote to Superman having his own plot before his group scenes with the league later on in the film.

Between having to juggle the backstory of the Mother-Boxes, to the 3 New League Members, and even showing stuff Batman/Wonder Woman related and stuff regarding S.W., it doesn't seem like there'll be any time for that.

Plus, Snyder's comments about Superman's lack of presence being an important thing also hints that there will be a long duration that Superman won't be seen until he returns.

 

[Tra-El]

The "stuff regarding Steppenwolf" could also be Superman related for obvious reasons so it's no stretch to see Clark much sooner than what your airtight movie timeline suggests. Of course whatever will be, will be but I'm not going to be close minded enough to shutdown all possible scenario's that could involve Superman's role because it's possible they have things up their sleeve regarding Supes or anybody else for that matter. It's way too early for me to concede things about the JL movie no matter what is suggested. What we know is being controlled anyhow at this point.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

At this point, I don't think anyone really cares on whether he leads or not (at least as far I have seen) but rather the concerns being that his return is going to be the ONLY thing that the character will have going for himself in this film and that he'll just be considered as the team's biggest gun (Hulk/Thor) as opposed to being a inspirational figure (not based on his strength but morals) that he is known for being in the comics.

Wait... Which is it Lee? Posts ago you were claiming you didn't understand these people who you said they thought Superman would "lead"upon his return. Now "no one really cares"? So... Whose points were you countering before? Also, so very many of your own posts are about that very issue or debating withvsomeone else about it so... Which is it? And if you are taking the film makers at their word about Superman's death and lack of presence being important or key a key part of the fim (I don't know if that's 100% true since I've only seen six minutes of footage with minimal dialog) then that would indicate something about Superman's character playing into the other characters even if it's not as in depth as some may like or expect.

 

[Herolee10]

Wait... Which is it Lee? Posts ago you were claiming you didn't understand these people who you said they thought Superman would "lead"upon his return. Now "no one really cares"? So... Whose points were you countering before? Also, so very many of your own posts are about that very issue or debating withvsomeone else about it so... Which is it? And if you are taking the film makers at their word about Superman's death and lack of presence being important or key a key part of the fim (I don't know if that's 100% true since I've only seen six minutes of footage with minimal dialog) then that would indicate something about Superman's character playing into the other characters even if it's not as in depth as some may like or expect.

In a general consensus, I don't think people really care on whether Superman will lead or not but I've seen some posters believe that he might take up the lead once he returns from the dead.

And honestly, what's so hard to understand about where I (and several others) are coming from?

In lamest terms, we don't like the fact that Superman (1/3 of the DC trinity) has a limited role in this film. We don't like the fact that Batman is the face of the team. And we don't like the fact he may very well be excluded from all marketing/promotional materials in order to maintain the dumb illusion that he's dead when everyone knows that he's coming back.

 

[Steamteck]

Well, I don't disagree that I'd like to see more Superman but at least not they're spoiling anything.

I know I'm the weird duck but Snyder has earned my faith with MOS and BvS. My only fears for the film are studio interference.

Honestly I'm more apprehensive about Mjolnir being broken that Superman returning and how it will turn out.

 

[idiot09]

I know I'm the weird duck

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[FunkMiller]

In lamest terms, we don't like the fact that Superman (1/3 of the DC trinity) has a limited role in this film. We don't like the fact that Batman is the face of the team..

If for no other reason than it's so completely and totally against Batman's character. They've thrown any sense of adapting the comic character to the big screen out of the window, just because he has to fill in for the guy who is supposed to be leading

 

[odilonredon]

If for no other reason than it's so completely and totally against Batman's character. They've thrown any sense of adapting the comic character to the big screen out of the window, just because he has to fill in for the guy who is supposed to be leading

it makes as much sense as having batman kill people with guns

 

[odilonredon]

or, getting back on topic, as much sense as having more screentime for a jar of pee than superman doing heroic things without grimacing

 

[The Batman]

To be fair, we don't know if Batman will even be portrayed as being a good or effective leader. We also have no idea if he'll be the "Face" of the team. All we know is that he'll play a role in getting the team together.

I still think Superman will be mishandled in this film, though.

 

[Vlyse]

It's not much but I'm going to be slightly optimistic about Batman as leader, with the whole "temporary" line.

but yeah him going from "if there's even a 1% chance superman is evil we have to stop him" in BVS to him spearheading a team of supermen is quite the gap.

yeah, yeah character development... so much he ain't even Bats no more.

 

[The Guard]

Batman isn't likely to be the public face/leader of the League. What with the whole urban legend thing.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

I figure he thinks, metahumans are coming one way or another. If I can't fight them maybe I can lead (control) them. Superman turned out not to be a threat and even gave his life to kill Doomsday.

Him thinking "I can use these good metas as an army against the real threats" is pretty Batman I would say.

 

[2kt09]

It's not much but I'm going to be slightly optimistic about Batman as leader, with the whole "temporary" line.

but yeah him going from "if there's even a 1% chance superman is evil we have to stop him" in BVS to him spearheading a team of supermen is quite the gap.

yeah, yeah character development... so much he ain't even Bats no more.

Cue Mad Love's posts that Wonder Woman is actually the defacto leader due to a stronger sense of urgency - "Not coming Bruce. It's already here."

The "temporary" line is just one of enough exchanges shown in the trailers that portray his limitations on working with others.

 

[Strong Browman]

Why do people care who's the leader? What is this some lame my dad can beat-up your dad pissing contest? And why are people shocked the most popular character is being made the leader? Don't give me the tired "because Batman's a loner" b.s. You mean the same Batman who even in his own series leads and mentors a practical army of vigilantes? Yeah that guy has no experience leading others. And I'm sure someone like Aquaman will follow his every command.

Funny how people have no real problem with Iron Man being the defacto leader/face of the Avengers over Cap (because Tony's more popular) but Batman possibly being the leader over Superman for similar reasons (Bruce is more popular) pisses them off.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Tony Stark is not the leader of the Avengers. Maybe you need to watch the movies more carefully.

 

[Herolee10]

Tony Stark is not the leader of the Avengers. Maybe you need to watch the movies more carefully.

 

[Strong Browman]

Tony Stark is not the leader of the Avengers. Maybe you need to watch the movies more carefully.

Maybe you need to read my post a little more carefully (thanks for the unnecessary snark btw) I said he is the defacto leader and face of the team. Sure the team doesn't have a flat out leader but it's obvious him and Cap are the top guys. Even though Cap's whole shtick is the fact that he's the greatest leader ever. I know plenty of casual fans who see the Avengers as Tony's team just like they saw the X-Men as Wolverine's team over Cyclops. And I factored in face of the team too. He's the main character of the films and is marketed the most. It's obvious Marvel sees Iron Man as the face of the team.

And let's not act like Bruce is recruiting the team alone, I like how people ignore the fact that him AND Wonder Woman are bringing the team together. But let's ignore that because it doesn't fit our "the evil Batgod is taking over" arguments.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Nobody is ******** about Batman being the most popular character but someone being the most popular character and the lead character of the picture doesn't mean they have to be the leader of the team. And I think Wolverine leading the X-men was stupid by the way. More bad writers who don't know how to write a character as the lead without them being the leader of the team.

 

[Strong Browman]

Nobody is ******** about Batman being the most popular character but someone being the most popular character and the lead character of the picture doesn't mean they have to be the leader of the team. And I think Wolverine leading the X-men was stupid by the way. More bad writers who don't know how to write a character as the lead without them being the leader of the team.

I don't buy that nobodies ********, plenty of people are despite the fact that Batman leading others is something he does all of the time. It's not simply because he's popular but because he's popular AND has a history of leading and being a mentor to others. There's a reason the Batfamily is bigger than every other superhero family.

And like I said he and WW are going to be leaders in this and we've heard him and Superman are going to sort of battle over who leads the team. So it's not like WB/DC are saying Batman's the unquestioned leader of the team so I don't get why people are so angry over this.

 

[Herolee10]

And like I said he and WW are going to be leaders in this and we've heard him and Superman are going to sort of battle over who leads the team. So it's not like WB/DC are saying Batman's the unquestioned leader of the team so I don't get why people are so angry over this.

Cavill said that back on Kimmel and it's very well possible that he may have said that to have thrown people off of the fact that Superman was going to die at the end of BvS (since this was before the film had been released).

Also, from a narrative standpoint, it doesn't make any sense that Superman would want to lead these guys or fight Batman for that spot.

Plus, people aren't as "*********" about Superman not leading the team but more about how he'll have limited screen time because of his whole death gimmick.

 

[sf2]

Cavill said that back on Kimmel and it's very well possible that he may have said that to have thrown people off of the fact that Superman was going to die at the end of BvS (since this was before the film had been released).

Also, from a narrative standpoint, it doesn't make any sense that Superman would want to lead these guys or fight Batman for that spot.

Plus, people aren't as "*********" about Superman not leading the team but more about how he'll have limited screen time because of his whole death gimmick.

his whole death gimmick is done. it is a fact. you can do nothing about it. the story line is set.

and be ready for the advent of the evil superman. :P

 

[Vlyse]

Batman isn't likely to be the public face/leader of the League. What with the whole urban legend thing.

He(and WW) are national news now. The Doomsday fight was streamed live.

Or if we assume DD EMP blasted the news while it was still only Supes, that leaves the gov/military. Did they both leave immediately and Lois gave Superman's body to the press? If Superman is buried in Smallville, then how does the world know he is dead?

Man what a weird cut, they just kinda dropped the public/gov perspective...there should have been a scene immediately after Superman's death like "Who are you? Can you explain what happened here?" to WW/Bats. It would've at least given Superman's death some more meaning. Oh well.. I'm starting to ramble.

I figure he thinks, metahumans are coming one way or another. If I can't fight them maybe I can lead (control) them.

I do hope that is the case, and we see more of Batman's paranoia. There is still plenty of time for it.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Cavill said that back on Kimmel and it's very well possible that he may have said that to have thrown people off of the fact that Superman was going to die at the end of BvS (since this was before the film had been released).

Also, from a narrative standpoint, it doesn't make any sense that Superman would want to lead these guys or fight Batman for that spot.

Plus, people aren't as "*********" about Superman not leading the team but more about how he'll have limited screen time because of his whole death gimmick.

I'd be okay with Superman not leading the team as in this universe Wonder Woman might be a better fit. Every hero seems to have more experience than this Superman afterall. I think that's iffy writing that doesn't follow the source material but whatever. But yeah my main bone of contention is taking away Superman with the team screen time over a pointless and too soon death and return storyline.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, that's how I feel about it. I see JL as sort of a "rule by committee" sort of thing where different heroes take the lead given whatever the situation is. For example, if they were facing off against Ares, Wonder Woman would take the lead. If it's Darkseid or some other cosmic threat, Superman is the guy, etc. But what I'm bothered about here is that he'll very likely get the least amount of screentime. And that wouldn't bother me if I didn't feel like he already got brushed off to the side in BvS.

Again, I haven't seen the UC and I've heard that Superman gets a lot more of the focus in that. But at the end of the day, the theatrical cut is what matters, and it was pretty much a Batman movie with Supes as a background character.